King James authorized bible vs the rest of other bibles

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Ok, this should give you a 'balanced' diet... "KJV Only" advocates refuted!
nobody seems to get it. The errors in the KJV are well known they are well documented (that is an advantage). I would just as happily pick up a Geneva bible, or ANY bible that predates the 1800's I ONLY have a problem with the Alexandrian texts...
 
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I am sure that the story of the woman taken in adultery in John 8 is an apocryphal story. It was incorporated in the Byzantine text, and now we are stuck with seeing it in the Bible, even if footnoted as non-genuine. That story may be the most well-known Bible story by the ungodly. Let him that is without sin cast the first stone.
are you sure? and what of the last 12 verses of Mark?
 

Atwood

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Actually, the original Greek does not say this!

"εἶπεν δὲ αὐτοῖς· Ὅταν προσεύχησθε, λέγετε· Πάτερ, ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου·ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· " Luke 11:2

First, there is no word "our" simply the word "Father." The word for "our" in Greek is ἡμῶν or hemon.

Second, there is no "heaven" or οὐρανοῖς.

Third, ἁγιασθήτω, or "hagiastheto, is the aorist, imperative, passive. It is in fact, a passive command to God, best translated as "Let your name be holy!" "Hallowed" is an archaic word. This verb is in the jussive, which is beseeching God that his name would be holy. The implication is that the person praying declares or treats God as holy, with the reverence and respect due to a Heavenly Father.

As for the rest, it is an attempt to harmonize the Lord's Prayer in Matt 6:9

"Οὕτως οὖν προσεύχεσθε ὑμεῖς· Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου," Matt 6:9

The second part of this would best be read as "Father our, the one in heaven, let the name your" Or "Our Father, the one in heaven, let your name be holy!" There actually is no verb in the first part of the sentence- no "art" or "is" or "to be" verb, as KJV so erroneously adds to the text, which NIV does not!

I think if you are going to compare versions, be prepared to discuss the original languages, which contain the real text, not the English translation of the KJV!

PS The NIV is also right with the last half if Luke 11:2 ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· The word ἐλθέτω or eltheto, is also in the aorist, imperative, But active, not passive! It means "let come the kingdom your" or reordered for English "Let your Kingdom come!"
Textus Receptus

2 εἶπε δὲ αὐτοῖς, Ὅταν προσεύχησθε, λέγετε, Πάτερ ἡμῶν [our] ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς, ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου. ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου. γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά σου, ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ, καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς.

UBS textual apparatus:

1 2 {A} πάτερ P75 ℵ B (L πάτερ ἡμῶν) 1 700 1342 itaur vg syrs (arm πάτερ ἡμῶν) Marcionacc. to Tertullian Origen (Cyrillemvid); Tertullianvid

// πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς (see Mt 6.9) A C D W D Q Y ƒ13 28 157 180 205 565supp 579 597 892 1006 1010 1071 1241 1243 1292 1424 1505 Byz [E F G H P] Lect itb, d, e, f, l, q, r1vid
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ita, c, ff2, i πάτερ ἅγιε) vgmss syrc, p, h copsa, bo eth geo slav

Well, I wouldn't sneeze at A C D W D Q Y, though I am inclined to think it is probably harmonistic.



 

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I prefer the New King James Version, followed closely by the English Standard version. When I don't understand a scripture, I find a word by word analysis using Hebrew Greek version quite helpful.

Has anyone found a cellphone text language translation? It would be a lot easier to teach it to today's young people.


 
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Textual handling of manuscripts in determining a more authentic version normally goes with the shorter due to scribes adding their own thoughts to 'help' the text.
Last time I ask. How does all this dwindle one's faith? The differences are minute.
This has been on my mind so I just have to go ahead and say it.

Lets say you are a scribe. Your job is to copy an endless amount of tedious manuscript. You are the ancient "COPY MACHINE" you are telling me. That in the process of copying endless amounts of manuscript letter for letter, hour for hour and day for day that you are going to ADD to your work load? to "enhance the story."?

No sir. That is ridiculous.

The truth is the opposite. If I, along with others are copying endless amounts of tedious manuscript. We are far more likely to cut corners and "lose" things, not gain them. However, ( and pay attention because this is a work from God) We have thousands upon thousands upon thousands, that were all HAND COPIED and they agree with each other. They are even found in ALL the right places. But THAT is another subject all together.

instead. We say "they added to the script."

"so what if all these other ancient manuscript don't even agree with each other and were found in questionable places, shouldn't we look into their possibilities as well? they all mean basically the same thing."

what are some of the side effects of these changes. Really what is the difference?

How many times is "Jesus" taken out for the better "translation"?

How many times might we remove the resurrection of Jesus Christ? they have it elsewhere we can take it out of Mark.

Lucifer really just translates morning star. So what if Jesus calls himself the morning star, it's a better translation. Newer manuscript you know.

This whole thing sickens me. I'm out of the thread. Contact me anyone personally if you have question's
 

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God's children are children of righteousness . these organizations today have conspired to dilute the Word and bring a disobedience believe that the antichrist is already at work , even perhaps in your own church , maybe they taught yoyur pastor to dillute you inadvertively ,that yoyu search and ever learning that you may not come to a full understanding of the truth . be careful of wolves in sheeps clothing . be carefull in your own congregations , be not afraid and tell my people of their wrongs , timothy died protesting idolatry beaten vand spklit his head apart pouring out his brains for the gospel or bartholomew known also as nathaniel beheaded for the gospel not afraid to speak when God sents forth , even stephen or james or barnabas even paul and peter crucified .we must be bold but discerned astute and never on our own will , I declare this is war on apostacy , war on the antichrist for he lies in your midst
 

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This has been on my mind so I just have to go ahead and say it.

Lets say you are a scribe. Your job is to copy an endless amount of tedious manuscript. You are the ancient "COPY MACHINE" you are telling me. That in the process of copying endless amounts of manuscript letter for letter, hour for hour and day for day that you are going to ADD to your work load? to "enhance the story."?

No sir. That is ridiculous.

The truth is the opposite. If I, along with others are copying endless amounts of tedious manuscript. We are far more likely to cut corners and "lose" things, not gain them. However, ( and pay attention because this is a work from God) We have thousands upon thousands upon thousands, that were all HAND COPIED and they agree with each other. They are even found in ALL the right places. But THAT is another subject all together.

instead. We say "they added to the script."

"so what if all these other ancient manuscript don't even agree with each other and were found in questionable places, shouldn't we look into their possibilities as well? they all mean basically the same thing."

what are some of the side effects of these changes. Really what is the difference?

How many times is "Jesus" taken out for the better "translation"?

How many times might we remove the resurrection of Jesus Christ? they have it elsewhere we can take it out of Mark.

Lucifer really just translates morning star. So what if Jesus calls himself the morning star, it's a better translation. Newer manuscript you know.

This whole thing sickens me. I'm out of the thread. Contact me anyone personally if you have question's

I think the right word is actually "embellish". There was nothing a Greek scribe loved to do more than embellish the text, with his own interpretation. A Scribe was far from some kind of "machine." They were extremely well educated, understood and argued their own personal theology and added in many places to the text.

The fact is, there are many extant examples of the Byzantine texts being embellished in the margins. So sorry the truth hurts! Also copyists errors are another big issue for those poor tired scribes. However, I do believe that God was faithful, and both the additions, errors and mistakes do not affect theology in any way.

If you need some examples of copyists mistakes and embellishments in the Byzantine texts, I would be happy to provide you with them.
 
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I am Afrikaans, and my home language is Afrikaans and so my main Bible is the Afrikaans OLD translation of 1933. IT is the Afrikaans Bible very alike the KJV. The New Afrikaans translation is more like the NIV. And I have a big probelm with the NIV and the new Afrikaans and all the WATERED DOAN vrsions. They all confuse the readers.

Let me give you the BEST reson why they all fail, but NOT the KJV...

Test all your Bibles with this verse and the ones that ommit (took out) HOLY before men ....BURN THEM, they are bibles from satan.....

KJV
2 Peter 1:21.... For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

NIV
For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

What is the difference between a THOUGH HUMAN man and a HOLY MAN OF GOD? No human is a man of God, and no man of God is a human.... Christ Jesus is the difference... noe man is BORN OF GOD and the other is BORN OF MAN. One man is FILLED WITH GOD, and the other man is filled with man. God does not move or carry humans, God carries only ONE SPIRIT.

No human has God in him only HOLY MEN has... HOLY MEN is HOLY becsue GOD IS IN THEM... God is not in HUMANS, GOD IS IN HOLY MEN.... All Holy men has only GOD in them. And all humans has NO GOD IN THEM... Oh there are many Bible verses that shows the difference between holy men and sinners. All humans are sinners, all God's men are holy as God is holy...

The one verse that shows how God is IN, ABVE and THROUGH all GODLY MEN (holy men) is Eph 4:5... Please look there is ONLY ONE SPIRIT IN ALL HOLY MEN... ONE. And humans eah have their own....The Holy Spirit DO NOT use humans (human spirits) for prophecies or ANY GOOD work, HE USES HIMSELF IN THE HOLY MEN OF GOD....

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God took 5000 humans and made them ONE SOUL ONE BODY AND ONE SPIRIT in an instant... Acts 4... How did He do it? He filled them ALL WITH HIMSELF (The Holy Spirit) Read this and understand how in error the NIV is here, And people if the Bible you read does not say HOLY MEN, BURN IT.... satan would love you to believe that unholy men can please God, they CANNOT. No sinner can please God or even pray to him... These "HUMANS" God assembled here were CLEANSED humans, (Saints) They were no more sinners, but they were NOT PERFECT yet. So here is how God makes them PERFECT and HOLY and MEN OF GOD....

Read this and see how ONE they became when the Spirit of God filled them all... And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul:

Now this is BEAUTIFUL.... And so GODLY! WOW!

 
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Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

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2 Peter 1:21.... For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God's word is so important to him that he puts it above all things. God has never entrusted his word to man... not when it was originally written and not when it was translated into other languages. God's pure holy word is always handled by the Holy Spirit. There is only one inerrant word of God and anything that contradicts it comes from the devil.
 
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If you do not understnad the english in the KJV especially the MESSAGE of the Word of God, the problem is not in the HEAD but in the HEART of the reader. Change the heart and the Word will fall open and God will reveal the Word for yo. The Word is not to be interpreted, but REVEALED. And ONLY God can do this to allwho read the Word. ONLY GOD. NO translation can do this ONLY GOD! Amen!

That book was given in by God. God nowhere says we have to all be GREEK and or Hebrew before He will write the Message on our hearts, but that we would want to recieve the SPIRIT OF TRUTH (also the WORD OF GOD) Also Christ Jesus, and also God Himself, tehn we will know the Truth and the Truth shall make us free.

I get this from ALL Bibles... God calls us to be FREED and the TRUTH is what makes us free, and the TRUTH is ONE TRUTH and ONE SPIRIT, and ONE FATHER IN ABOVE AND THROUGH all His people.

The one Bible that spells it out in one straight way is the KJV. The others are some so watered down for the WORLD to understnad, even if those same watered down version suggests that the WORLD cannot recieve the Spirit of Truth.... KJV puts it in GOOD common sence.... John 14:16... Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Maybe tha is why if a worldly person read a SPIRIT OF TRUTH message, they need other translations to UNDERSTNAD AND RECIEVE.... But then they receve LIES and believe it as TRUTH.... That is why they CANNOT recieve the Spirit in them, and that is why they will NEVER BE HOLY!

Jesus said this and please note HE IS NOT PRAYING FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT RECIEVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH....I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

And since it is the TRUTH that is the LIVING WATER, that wll flow from the bowels of the righteous... What Word wil lthat be? KJV or NIV. or American Standard or what? There is only ONE Truth. One Word, One Lord and One Spirit. I believe it will be spoken as it was spoken in the KJV. It makes perfect sence, and other Bibles just fall short. And in Afrikaans it will be the Old Translation, same as KJV. And so God will give tterance in HIS TRUTH with the Liing Waters that will flow from us... Praise God he STILL Maintain His Word as HE always had from the day Jesus spoke the Word.
 
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I don't know what Revision committee you refer to. If you mean that of the Revised Version of 1881, it is much like the KJV, with some changes. The edition of the Greek Testament which I like to use, has the major variations with the witnesses in the footnotes. So you can make your own decision on variant readings, not that many of them make much difference in doctrine.

They do make a difference in doctrine.

One of the reasons the modern versions weaken doctrine is because for one, they are based on inferior Greek texts. Both Jack Moorman and Dean Burgon did an excellent job showing that to be the case.

The texts which underlie the modern versions are from Egypt.

The ones which are the basis for the King James Holy Bible and the other English Bibles leading up to it (ie. Coverdale, Bishop's, Geneva, etc.) Are from Antioch.
 

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Saying "thou", "thy" "art", "shalt", etc.,


These precious and accurate words and pronouns as found in the King James Holy Bible carry a reverence in their sounding.

And that is the main thing to consider. God is Holy. His Name is Holy and Reverand (Psa. 111:9).

Therefore, we should want God to have the purest, and highest form of language when it comes to His word.

Reading a modern version is like reading a secular book, or a newspaper. There is no majesty, no power, no reverence to an Holy God in the pages of these modern versions.

But when one reads the King James Bible, the power, majesty, beauty, reverence, and holiness is all there. And they know they are reading God's word.
 
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[video=youtube;0Ld7av-AN9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ld7av-AN9c[/video]

If your really interested this is a good short video about the validity of the KJV only controversy.
 
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[video=youtube;Eh3k_A9ugOo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh3k_A9ugOo[/video]

Which version is best?
 
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[video=youtube;Eh3k_A9ugOo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh3k_A9ugOo[/video]

Which version is best?
Why do I need some one else to tell me which version is best. I can read, I can recognize errors in the bible. If it has errors it's not the inerrant word of God that God promised to preserve.:)
 
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I believe the King James Bible to be the inerrant perfect Word of God that is faithful translation from the original languages. For I believe it is divinely inspired preserved Word. It is not improvement upon the originals, nor is it inferior to them. Now, while I may believe the KJV is perfect and without error, from my experience, I have found that most KJV-Onlyists believe that you should only read the King James. Many will also say that the King James is not all that hard to understand, too.


I disagree with both of these conclusions. So while I believe the KJV is the divinely inspired Word of God, I do not think one should stick to just reading it alone. For I have found Modern Translations to be very helpful in updating the language (From Old English); However, I do not put my entire trust in Modern Translations because the devil has placed his name all over them and key doctrines have been watered down and important messages within God's Word have been neutered.


In other words, I read Modern Translations as if I am panning for gold. I have to sift thru the dirt or the garbage in order to get to the gold of the passage that lines up with the King James.


This gold that is found within the dirt of the translations can be very useful because it reflects what is in the King James. This is the gold that people hear and are saved when they hear the gospel message. For someone can be saved just by hearing a few Bible verses about the gospel message of Jesus Christ. This gold shines thru and penetrates their heart.


Like the Parable of the Sower. Believers receive the Word of God into their heart from those passages that are talking about salvation. Words that line up with the King James. These words are sown in their heart. And if they let this Word take root in their heart by continually reading the Word of God, then they will have hidden His Word in their heart so they will not sin against Him. It will have taken root and they will not fall away due to persecution or the trials of this life.


For it only takes a few Bible verses to get someone saved. However, washing yourself with the water of the Word is going to be a lot more effective if you use the pure Word of God. For we received the Word not as the words of men, but as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 12:3 KJV). For if one second, I could not trust even just one word of God, then what makes you think that I could not trust the rest of the words within His Holy written Word? No, I did not receive the Word of God as the words of men but as the very words of God (just as Thessalonians states).


However, that said, I believe God had inspired His Word in the King James for three major reasons based on Scripture.




Three Scriptural Reasons to Trust in A Perfect Word Today.


#1. God's Word claims that it is perfect
God's Word claims that it is perfect (Psalm 12:6 KJV) (Psalm 119:140 KJV) (Proverbs 30:5 KJV) and that it will be preserved for all generations (Psalm 12:7 KJV) and it will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8 KJV) (1 Peter 1:25 KJV). Therefore, seeing Scripture plainly states these facts, it then becomes an issue of a test of your faith in God's Word (See the test the devil gave to Eve in Genesis 3:1 KJV); Because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe (1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV). In other words, do you believe you hold the very words of God within your hands like the disciples did?


#2. KJV vs. Modern Translations
A simple side by side comparison of the KJV vs Modern Translations shows us that the devil tries to place his name in the Modern Versions. Have no idea what I am talking about?


Well, many Bible versions say that it is the dragon who is standing on the sea shore in Revelation. This is just evil and wrong.


See Parallel Version for Revelation 13:1 here...


Revelation 13:1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.


See, if you know anything about Bible language, standing on something means that you "own it"; And the devil wants to own you. In the King James, John is standing on the seashore. Yet in many Bible versions the dragon (i.e. the devil) is standing on the seashore.


Why is this a problem?


Lets look at...


Genesis 22:17
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies"

Did you catch that? God says to Abraham that He will multiply his seed as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is upon the seashore where he will then possess the gate of his enemies (i.e. the devil and his kingdom). The apostle John who wrote Revelation was Jewish and he was the promised seed of Genesis 22 standing on the seashore in Revelation 13. It was not the dragon or the devil standing on the seashore.


For certain Modern Versions eliminate the part of the passage in Revelation 13:1 that says that John is standing on the seashore (When he refers to himself as "I").


Also, the devil tries to take out key points in important discussions within the Bible (Which can effect doctrine). For example: In Romans 7 Paul talks from the Jew's perspective in keeping the Old Testament Law (Which leads to problems), and he gives us the climax or heart of his message as a solution in Romans 8:1 KJV. Now, certain modern translations have eliminated "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Eliminating this passage destroys the whole thrust of Paul's argument. Walking in the Spirit is the key to being in Christ Jesus. You eliminate that and you destroy Paul's argument. Also, 1 John 5:7 KJV is the only verse in the Bible that is the clearest and most concise teaching on the Godhead (i.e. the Trinity).


#3. Biblical Numerics
Bible Numbers that glorify God and His Word. (Note: These are not equidistant letter sequences or numbers that attempt to get one to have a special dream, or to divine the future in some way - Striving to foretell the future is forbidden in the Bible). Numbers are something that we deal with in our every day life and all things glorify God. So obviously the numbers in God's Word would naturally glorify Him in some way. What am I talking about? Check out this video on Numbers & the Greek New Testament.



Also, here is a recent post of mine on the topic of Bible Numbers.


Theology Online | Christian Forums & More - View Single Post - ECT The light of day one - what was it?


In fact, here is a great study on Bible Numbers based off of the King James.


http://www.hiddenhillssgbaptistchur...rvel or The Significance of Bible Numbers.pdf


Also, here is a video series by Mike Hoggard that talks about the number 7 in the King James.



Now, while I may not agree with Mike on everything he teaches in the Bible nor on the way he teaches Bible numbers in every example, I have found that he has made some startling discoveries. Discoveries that do not appear in the modern translations but only in the King James.


Important Note:


Also, I want to add that sometimes these numbers match up with Blue Letter Bible and other times they do not. This is because BLB uses a different version of the KJV I believe. If you download Mike Hoggard's free software search program from his website, you can verify the numbers (in his study) with his program here...


King James Pure Bible Search


Oh, and Mike does not make an error in one of his calculations in the first video and I do believe he mentions his mistake in a later subsequent video.


I hope this helps.
And may God bless you all.
 
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Give me time to upload the videos in my previous post.

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I believe the King James Bible to be the inerrant perfect Word of God that is faithful translation from the original languages. For I believe it is divinely inspired preserved Word. It is not improvement upon the originals, nor is it inferior to them. Now, while I may believe the KJV is perfect and without error, from my experience, I have found that most KJV-Onlyists believe that you should only read the King James. Many will also say that the King James is not all that hard to understand, too.


I disagree with both of these conclusions. So while I believe the KJV is the divinely inspired Word of God, I do not think one should stick to just reading it alone. For I have found Modern Translations to be very helpful in updating the language (From Old English); However, I do not put my entire trust in Modern Translations because the devil has placed his name all over them and key doctrines have been watered down and important messages within God's Word have been neutered.


In other words, I read Modern Translations as if I am panning for gold. I have to sift thru the dirt or the garbage in order to get to the gold of the passage that lines up with the King James.


This gold that is found within the dirt of the translations can be very useful because it reflects what is in the King James. This is the gold that people hear and are saved when they hear the gospel message. For someone can be saved just by hearing a few Bible verses about the gospel message of Jesus Christ. This gold shines thru and penetrates their heart.


Like the Parable of the Sower. Believers receive the Word of God into their heart from those passages that are talking about salvation. Words that line up with the King James. These words are sown in their heart. And if they let this Word take root in their heart by continually reading the Word of God, then they will have hidden His Word in their heart so they will not sin against Him. It will have taken root and they will not fall away due to persecution or the trials of this life.


For it only takes a few Bible verses to get someone saved. However, washing yourself with the water of the Word is going to be a lot more effective if you use the pure Word of God. For we received the Word not as the words of men, but as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 12:3 KJV). For if one second, I could not trust even just one word of God, then what makes you think that I could not trust the rest of the words within His Holy written Word? No, I did not receive the Word of God as the words of men but as the very words of God (just as Thessalonians states).


However, that said, I believe God had inspired His Word in the King James for three major reasons based on Scripture.




Three Scriptural Reasons to Trust in A Perfect Word Today.


#1. God's Word claims that it is perfect
God's Word claims that it is perfect (Psalm 12:6 KJV) (Psalm 119:140 KJV) (Proverbs 30:5 KJV) and that it will be preserved for all generations (Psalm 12:7 KJV) and it will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8 KJV) (1 Peter 1:25 KJV). Therefore, seeing Scripture plainly states these facts, it then becomes an issue of a test of your faith in God's Word (See the test the devil gave to Eve in Genesis 3:1 KJV); Because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe (1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV). In other words, do you believe you hold the very words of God within your hands like the disciples did?


#2. KJV vs. Modern Translations
A simple side by side comparison of the KJV vs Modern Translations shows us that the devil tries to place his name in the Modern Versions. Have no idea what I am talking about?


Well, many Bible versions say that it is the dragon who is standing on the sea shore in Revelation. This is just evil and wrong.


See Parallel Version for Revelation 13:1 here...


Revelation 13:1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.


See, if you know anything about Bible language, standing on something means that you "own it"; And the devil wants to own you. In the King James, John is standing on the seashore. Yet in many Bible versions the dragon (i.e. the devil) is standing on the seashore.


Why is this a problem?


Lets look at...


Genesis 22:17
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies"

Did you catch that? God says to Abraham that He will multiply his seed as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is upon the seashore where he will then possess the gate of his enemies (i.e. the devil and his kingdom). The apostle John who wrote Revelation was Jewish and he was the promised seed of Genesis 22 standing on the seashore in Revelation 13. It was not the dragon or the devil standing on the seashore.


For certain Modern Versions eliminate the part of the passage in Revelation 13:1 that says that John is standing on the seashore (When he refers to himself as "I").


Also, the devil tries to take out key points in important discussions within the Bible (Which can effect doctrine). For example: In Romans 7 Paul talks from the Jew's perspective in keeping the Old Testament Law (Which leads to problems), and he gives us the climax or heart of his message as a solution in Romans 8:1 KJV. Now, certain modern translations have eliminated "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Eliminating this passage destroys the whole thrust of Paul's argument. Walking in the Spirit is the key to being in Christ Jesus. You eliminate that and you destroy Paul's argument. Also, 1 John 5:7 KJV is the only verse in the Bible that is the clearest and most concise teaching on the Godhead (i.e. the Trinity).


#3. Biblical Numerics
Bible Numbers that glorify God and His Word. (Note: These are not equidistant letter sequences or numbers that attempt to get one to have a special dream, or to divine the future in some way - Striving to foretell the future is forbidden in the Bible). Numbers are something that we deal with in our every day life and all things glorify God. So obviously the numbers in God's Word would naturally glorify Him in some way. What am I talking about? Check out this video on Numbers & the Greek New Testament.



Also, here is a recent post of mine on the topic of Bible Numbers.


Theology Online | Christian Forums & More - View Single Post - ECT The light of day one - what was it?


In fact, here is a great study on Bible Numbers based off of the King James.


http://www.hiddenhillssgbaptistchurch.org/images/Articles%20by%20Subject/Books/G.%20E.%20Jones/That%20Ye%20May%20Marvel%20or%20The%20Significance%20of%20Bible%20Numbers.pdf


Also, here is a video series by Mike Hoggard that talks about the number 7 in the King James.



Now, while I may not agree with Mike on everything he teaches in the Bible nor on the way he teaches Bible numbers in every example, I have found that he has made some startling discoveries. Discoveries that do not appear in the modern translations but only in the King James.


Important Note:


Also, I want to add that sometimes these numbers match up with Blue Letter Bible and other times they do not. This is because BLB uses a different version of the KJV I believe. If you download Mike Hoggard's free software search program from his website, you can verify the numbers (in his study) with his program here...


King James Pure Bible Search


Oh, and Mike does not make an error in one of his calculations in the first video and I do believe he mentions his mistake in a later subsequent video.


I hope this helps.
And may God bless you all.
That was very well put Jason! Thanks....
 
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Here are the videos I didn't get a chance to upload properly in my previous post.

This first video shows the amazing placement of the number 7 in the Greek Manuscripts:

[video=youtube;8hOKA9fR2p4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hOKA9fR2p4[/video]
 
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And these two hour videos go into how Bible numbers confirm that the KJV is the divinely preserved Word for our day.

Here is Part 1.

[video=youtube;EZRjZBhRlhs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZRjZBhRlhs[/video]