King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)

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ChosenbyHim

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Does your Bible clearly proclaim the deity of Jesus Christ?

Hello and Greetings Saints!

My name is Justin, and before I continue with my post, I just wanted to briefly introduce myself for those of you who have never seen me nor met me yet. I am still fairly new to Christian Chat, and so far I really like it here. It's really good getting to meet fellow believers who live in different states, countries and those who live across the world on different continents. It's been a very longtime since I have been in a chat room, so I am still getting used to the fast pace that takes place in Christian Chat lol. But I am glad to be able to come on here and fellowship with fellow saints and believers :)

Now to begin with my post, I would like to say that I have been studying the Bible Versions Issue for about six months now. But ever since that time in April; when I started reading, researching, and doing comparisons between different bible translations, I discovered one prominent thing that kept taking place in the modern versions: A subtle attack on the deity of Jesus Christ. That's right. In many verses of Scripture where the King James Bible clearly proclaims the deity of our Lord Jesus, the modern and new bible versions out there attack His deity. Below are are just several examples between the Authorized King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), English Standard Version (ESV), and New Living Translation (NLT).

Let's look at our first Scripture:

1 Timothy 3:16

KJV: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

NIV: Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

ESV: Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

NLT: Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.

In this one example, we see here that the KJV clearly states that it was God who was manifested in the flesh while the modern translations obscure the passage by removing and replacing "God" with "He." He appeared in a body? Well, just who appeared in a body? We've all appeared in a body. Come on now.

The next verse,

Ephesians 3:9

KJV: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

NIV: and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

ESV: and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,

NLT: I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning.

Here, the KJV plainly states that Jesus Christ is the Creator.

Micah 5:2​

KJV: But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

NIV: "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

ESV: But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.

NLT: But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, are only a small village among all the people of Judah. Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you, one whose origins are from the distant past.

Again, we see a subtle attack on Jesus' deity. And in Micah 5:2, the modern translations do it by giving Jesus an origin. The KJV correctly states that Jesus is from everlasting.

1 John 3:16

KJV: Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

NIV: This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

ESV: By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.

NLT: We know what real love is because Jesus gave up his life for us. So we also ought to give up our lives for our brothers and sisters.

In the KJV, we have "God" being the antecedent and "he" being the pronoun. Hence, the pronoun is referring to the antecedent. So, we know that it was God who laid down His life for us. But in the modern translations, the term "God" is taken out. Therefore, as you can see by the examples above, there is no reference to God in the NIV, NLT, or ESV.

Daniel 3:25​

KJV: He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

NIV: He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods."

ESV: He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

NLT: "Look!" Nebuchadnezzar shouted. "I see four men, unbound, walking around in the fire unharmed! And the fourth looks like a god!"

The fourth person in that fiery furnace was the Lord Jesus Christ. But the modern versions take out "Son of God," thereby, removing another reference to Jesus Christ in the Old Testament.

Matthew 20:20

KJV: Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

NIV: Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.

ESV: Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something.

NLT: Then the mother of James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Jesus with her sons. She knelt respectfully to ask a favor.

The mother of Zebedee's children and her sons worshiped Jesus. You see, anyone can bow down or kneel before someone without worshiping them. Again, the King James Version gives the correct reading and honors Jesus as God, while the
NIV, NLT, and ESV attempt to strip the Lord Jesus of His deity.

Revelation 1:6​

KJV: And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

NIV: and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

ESV: and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

NLT: He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father. All glory and power to him forever and ever! Amen.

In Revelation 1:6, it is the Lord Jesus who makes us kings and priests unto Himself (God) and His Father. This is another strong & clear verse in the KJV that proves that Jesus Christ is God.

1 John 5:7​

KJV: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

NIV: For there are three that testify:

ESV: For there are three that testify:

NLT: So we have these three witnesses--

1 John 5:7 is one of the strongest verses in Scripture that supports the trinity and Godhead. Therefore attesting further to Jesus' deity. It's no surprise then that the modern versions would also corrupt and water down this verse, attacking the trinity. While the word "trinity" is not in the Bible, the word "Godhead" is. In the King James Bible, "Godhead" appears three times. Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9.

By now, I am sure you guys can see that these modern bible translations don't honor but attack the deity of Jesus Christ. And as you all can see, it is throughout. Without a shadow of doubt, I truly believe that these multiple versions that we have on the market now are one of the strategies that Satan is using in these last days as an attempt to destroy God's Holy Word and its Authority. Remember that Satan's first attack on the word of God was in the garden of Eden:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? - Genesis 3:1

"Yea, hath God said," were the very first recorded words of Satan as he threw his first line of attack against God's word. And that seed of doubt which Satan planted in Eve's mind, led her to question God's word. This one question in (Gen. 3:1) led to the fall of mankind.

The Authorized King James Version is the word of God. Indeed, it is the Bible that honors and exalts Jesus Christ the most.

Furthermore, I just wanted to share this post with you all because I knew it was important. I know there are many genuine, born again believers out there who use the modern versions. But I also believe they do so because they do not know any better. I do pray and hope that all of you who took the time to read this post would prayerfully consider returning to the old King James Bible.

For those of you who have any questions or concerns after reading this, please feel free to send me a message, and I will do what I can to answer your question. I also have plenty of good resources that I can direct you to. Well everyone, thank you for your time and consideration. God bless you and Shalom.

Justin
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the NIV and ESV and NLT all clearly proclaim the deity of jesus

doctrinal hair splitting like this just makes people less interested in the -real- issues involved in choosing a bible translation
 
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Does your Bible clearly proclaim the deity of Jesus Christ?

Hello and Greetings Saints!

My name is Justin, and before I continue with my post, I just wanted to briefly introduce myself for those of you who have never seen me nor met me yet. I am still fairly new to Christian Chat, and so far I really like it here. It's really good getting to meet fellow believers who live in different states, countries and those who live across the world on different continents. It's been a very longtime since I have been in a chat room, so I am still getting used to the fast pace that takes place in Christian Chat lol. But I am glad to be able to come on here and fellowship with fellow saints and believers
:)

Now to begin with my post, I would like to say that I have been studying the Bible Versions Issue for about six months now. But ever since that time in April; when I started reading, researching, and doing comparisons between different bible translations, I discovered one prominent thing that kept taking place in the modern versions: A subtle attack on the deity of Jesus Christ. That's right. In many verses of Scripture where the King James Bible clearly proclaims the deity of our Lord Jesus, the modern and new bible versions out there attack His deity. Below are are just several examples between the Authorized King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), English Standard Version (ESV), and New Living Translation (NLT).



Dear Justin, Look at Titus 2:13 in the KJV and in the NKJV.


Titus 2:13 KJV: "Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ".

Titus 2:13 NKJV: "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, "

The NKJV has it correctly, following the Granville Sharp rule of Greek grammar; the KJV translators, not knowing the Granville Sharp rule of Greek NT grammar, make it seem like the great God is different from our Saviour Jesus Christ, and, therefore, Jesus is not the great God. So, the KJV does NOT always defend Christ's Deity!

Just thought that you should know that, Justin! God bless you! In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

ChosenbyHim

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the NIV and ESV and NLT all clearly proclaim the deity of jesus

doctrinal hair splitting like this just makes people less interested in the -real- issues involved in choosing a bible translation
What are the real issues though Rachel?

The Bible Version Issue is something that a lot of people don't like to talk about, I know. I know of a friend who lost friends over the issue. But I do not agree with you that showing people evidence and the truth will make them less interested in studying the issue for themselves. The real issue here is an issue of doctrine. And the NIV, ESV, NLT, and many, many more translations water down the deity of Jesus Christ. I already gave several examples. I highly encourage you to study the issue for yourself. There are plenty of good resources, books and other information on the Bible Version Issue. But your going to have to do your own due diligence for yourself. These 150 + translations we have on the market are not the word of God. Not to mention, they all contradict each other. God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. (1 Corinthians 14:33)
 
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What are the real issues though Rachel?

The Bible Version Issue is something that a lot of people don't like to talk about, I know. I know of a friend who lost friends over the issue. But I do not agree with you that showing people evidence and the truth will make them less interested in studying the issue for themselves. The real issue here is an issue of doctrine. And the NIV, ESV, NLT, and many, many more translations water down the deity of Jesus Christ. I already gave several examples. I highly encourage you to study the issue for yourself. There are plenty of good resources, books and other information on the Bible Version Issue. But your going to have to do your own due diligence for yourself. These 150 + translations we have on the market are not the word of God. Not to mention, they all contradict each other. God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. (1 Corinthians 14:33)
an example of a real issue would be the new age and pagan influences in the message bible...

and this kind of stuff makes people more likely to ignore those issues...because they just assume it is the same kind of insignificant doctrinal hair splitting you are doing here
 

ChosenbyHim

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Does your Bible clearly proclaim the deity of Jesus Christ?

Hello and Greetings Saints!

My name is Justin, and before I continue with my post, I just wanted to briefly introduce myself for those of you who have never seen me nor met me yet. I am still fairly new to Christian Chat, and so far I really like it here. It's really good getting to meet fellow believers who live in different states, countries and those who live across the world on different continents. It's been a very longtime since I have been in a chat room, so I am still getting used to the fast pace that takes place in Christian Chat lol. But I am glad to be able to come on here and fellowship with fellow saints and believers
:)

Now to begin with my post, I would like to say that I have been studying the Bible Versions Issue for about six months now. But ever since that time in April; when I started reading, researching, and doing comparisons between different bible translations, I discovered one prominent thing that kept taking place in the modern versions: A subtle attack on the deity of Jesus Christ. That's right. In many verses of Scripture where the King James Bible clearly proclaims the deity of our Lord Jesus, the modern and new bible versions out there attack His deity. Below are are just several examples between the Authorized King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), English Standard Version (ESV), and New Living Translation (NLT).



Dear Justin, Look at Titus 2:13 in the KJV and in the NKJV.


Titus 2:13 KJV: "Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ".

Titus 2:13 NKJV: "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, "

The NKJV has it correctly, following the Granville Sharp rule of Greek grammar; the KJV translators, not knowing the Granville Sharp rule of Greek NT grammar, make it seem like the great God is different from our Saviour Jesus Christ, and, therefore, Jesus is not the great God. So, the KJV does NOT always defend Christ's Deity!

Just thought that you should know that, Justin! God bless you! In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


Hello Scott,

thank you for your reply! I must say though that the KJV has the correct reading in Titus 2:13 :)

Douglas Stauffer address this passage of Scripture in his book "One Book Stands Alone" in chapter 3. He gives a really good explanation why the KJV reads as it does in Titus 2:13. If you want, I can send you the link. Good day.
 

ChosenbyHim

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an example of a real issue would be the new age and pagan influences in the message bible...

and this kind of stuff makes people more likely to ignore those issues...because they just assume it is the same kind of insignificant doctrinal hair splitting you are doing here
Doctrinal hair splitting? Can you expound a little further Rachel?

Yes, I do agree with you that the Message bible is filled with New Age terminology. I have done some research on that translation as well. But the evidence which I showed in the original post is not insignificant. It is very significant.

Let's look and see how much God values His Word:

I will worship toward your holy temple, and praise your name for your lovingkindness and for your truth: for you have magnified your word above all your name. - Psalm 138:2

God has magnified His word above his whole name. Therefore, the Bible Version Issue is very significant. And just as the Message bible is corrupt, so is the NIV. And it's been proven time and time again.

Before my eyes were opened to the truth about the Bible versions, I was using an NIV out of ignorance. Just like many Christians who use the new versions. They do so out of ignorance, and because they innocently bought into the lie that the new versions are easier to read and understand. It's one thing to use the new versions in ignorance, but it is another to continually use them once you've heard the issue and know the truth. Just like everything else, I believe we will be held accountable on how we viewed God's word and it's divine inspiration and preservation. The word of God is God's standard for us.

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. - John 17:17
 
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Scotth1960

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Hello Scott,

thank you for your reply! I must say though that the KJV has the correct reading in Titus 2:13 :)

Douglas Stauffer address this passage of Scripture in his book "One Book Stands Alone" in chapter 3. He gives a really good explanation why the KJV reads as it does in Titus 2:13. If you want, I can send you the link. Good day.
Dear ChosenbyHim, You can send me the link. Thank you. But the KJV is incorrect here. The NKJV contains the true word of God in Titus 2:13. The KJV does not contain the correct translation. See on Google for Granville Sharp rule.
Here are 3 other verses where the KJV has heresies.
Romans 8:16 KJV "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God".
Romans 8:26 KJV "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities; for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercessions for us with groanings that cannot be uttered."
Hebrews 6:6 KJV "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

Here is the correct version of these three versions, in the ONT (Orthodox New Testament):
Romans 8:16 ONT: "The Spirit Himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God."
Romans 8:26 ONT: "And likewise, the Spirit also helpeth us in our weaknesses. For we know not what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself intercedeth for us with unutterable groanings."
Hebrews 6:6 ONT: "and who fell away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify anew to themselves the Son of God and make a public example of Him."
The Orthodox New Testament, Volume 2, Praxapostolis: Acts, Epistles, Revelation. Buena Vista, CO: Holy Apostles Convent, Copyright 2000.
The KJV is not the only Word of God. It contains Some of the Word of God, but not all of it. It is the Word of God to the extent, and only to the extent, that it is correctly translated. The KJV translators in their preface to the Readers said other English versions of the Bible should be consulted, and that their work was not perfect, or without error. Those who preach the KJV alone is the only infallible, inspired, preserved word of God in English are preaching HERESY.
God bless you.
Every translation in English has or CAN have some problems. Only the original Greek is the infallible word of God.
In Erie PA USA October 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington
 
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I always dislike the changes in modern translations that take away from Christ. I believe we can read the KJV and modern Bibles. I do not believe we should get rid of the KJV or the modern Bibles. I side with the KJV when there is something like what the OP mentions.
 

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Dear ChosenbyHim, You can send me the link. Thank you. But the KJV is incorrect here. The NKJV contains the true word of God in Titus 2:13. The KJV does not contain the correct translation. See on Google for Granville Sharp rule.
Here are 3 other verses where the KJV has heresies.
Romans 8:16 KJV "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God".
Romans 8:26 KJV "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities; for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercessions for us with groanings that cannot be uttered."
Hebrews 6:6 KJV "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

Here is the correct version of these three versions, in the ONT (Orthodox New Testament):
Romans 8:16 ONT: "The Spirit Himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God."
Romans 8:26 ONT: "And likewise, the Spirit also helpeth us in our weaknesses. For we know not what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself intercedeth for us with unutterable groanings."
Hebrews 6:6 ONT: "and who fell away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify anew to themselves the Son of God and make a public example of Him."
The Orthodox New Testament, Volume 2, Praxapostolis: Acts, Epistles, Revelation. Buena Vista, CO: Holy Apostles Convent, Copyright 2000.
The KJV is not the only Word of God. It contains Some of the Word of God, but not all of it. It is the Word of God to the extent, and only to the extent, that it is correctly translated. The KJV translators in their preface to the Readers said other English versions of the Bible should be consulted, and that their work was not perfect, or without error. Those who preach the KJV alone is the only infallible, inspired, preserved word of God in English are preaching HERESY.
God bless you.
Every translation in English has or CAN have some problems. Only the original Greek is the infallible word of God.
In Erie PA USA October 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

Scott, here is a link to an article that addresses this matter:

thespirititself - Another King James Bible Believer

The article is written by Will Kinney, who is also a King James Bible Believer.

The King James Bible is the preserved word of God. This is the conclusion that I have come to after studying,
and reading a lot of the material that has been put out there on this issue. God promised to preserve His words.

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. - Psalm 12:6-7

There are many Verses in Scripture that support Divine preservation. Well Scott, check out the article when you have sometime, and I am sure after reading it you will see why the rendering of "itself" which the KJV gives in Romans 8:16 & Romans 8:26 when referring to the Spirit of God is absolutely acceptable and accurate. Also, in his article Mr. Kinney lists many Bible versions that also use "it" and "itself" when referring to the Spirit of God.


Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. - Jeremiah 6:16
 
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Jesus is God, so He, accepts His diety. You will notice the 'He' starts in upper case.
 
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Hello, Justin, Welcome to CC forums & chatroom fellowships.

Yes, your post is of major interest to me because I've always read the Bible in Spanish, very old Castilian, frankly. Therefore, I have not been affected by the various confusions of English Bibles currently in the market.

The intrigue of why must there be so many, quite contrary, English Bibles out there put me on the quest to be educated in that respecty & informed on the topic.

So far, I have discovered that there is indeed an agenda to minimize the deity of Christ, an agenda to put Man in control of what God's Word should be, and to keep the public "in the dark" by the ambiguity these "scholars" bring forth in printing out all kinds of bibles.

Here's an example of the ambiguity "textual criticism" bring into new editions of bibles are based upon.

The so called, "older manuscripts" (collectively known as "critical texts" which all where found in Egypt in a trash pit of a monastary together with Sappho's writting and other ancient Greek secular authors) are given greater value vs. the so called "majority texts" because the older manuscripts were produced sometime between the 2nd to 4th century, while the majority texts were produced during the 5th throught the 12th century. These are collectively called "Byzantine texts."

Now, take for example 1 John 5:7. ALL the older manuscripts do not contain that verse. I verified that myself. This implies, according to these "scholars," that bible scribes outside of Egypt "corrupted the Scriptures" by adding that verse into the actual text.

Well if that is the case, what about the letters to Timothy? Neither 1Timothy nor 2Timonthy are accounted for in any of the "older manuscripts." The 1st & 2nd Epistles to Timothy are only, SOLEY accounted for by the Byzantine texts. Why then does the NIV, NWT, etc. toss out these Epistles?

Here's another hypocresy. Among the "older manuscripts" found in that trash pit in Egypt were also all kinds of gnostic texts such as Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Peter, Shephard of Hermas, etc.

So, why does not the "critical scholars" include the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Peter and the rest of the "trash" (pardon my English) they found in their "older texts" bibles and remove the letters to Timothy since these Epistle are nowhere to be found till after the 5th-6th century?

Do you see how, yes, removing a verse here and a verse there will not make a big impact in their publishing loss (since nobody would be purchasing gnostic ancient trash for a bible), were as removing the entire Epistle to Timothy or adding the Shepherd of Hermas in replacement would make a big impact.

This is such a major fraud what these "new bible version" have done to the world of God. Yet does it matter? Frankly, no. It doesn't matter because there will always be God's chosen people seeking Christ wherever He leads. We do not depend of "new and revised and improved" bibles. We depend on the finished work of Christ crucified, and depend on the victory of His resurrection and on the PROMISE of His glorious return. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God which leads us to ALL truth.

Our agenda (my agenda) is and shall be Christ considering nothing shall separate us from the Love of God. Well, back to my quirks in mapping out what chapter and verse came from what Greek manuscript, where and when. Taste and see that the Lors is good! :)
 
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The KJV only movement that claims the KJV is the ONLY version to read is a cult. I'm not talking about people who prefer the KJV for various reasons. But for those who are dogmatic on this issue, to the point of saying all other English Bible translations are wrong - they are clearly involved in divisive cult behavior.
 
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Scott, here is a link to an article that addresses this matter:

thespirititself - Another King James Bible Believer

The article is written by Will Kinney, who is also a King James Bible Believer.

CHOSENBYHIM:
The King James Bible is the preserved word of God.

SCOTTH1960:
False!

NO! IT ISN"T. Only the original Greek manuscripts are the preserved word of God. The word of GOD IS PRESERVED IN about 3000 to 5000 Greek NT manuscripts, which were kept in Constantinople in the Greek Orthodox Church!

CHOSENBYHIM:
This is the conclusion that I have come to after studying,

SCOTTH1960:
You obviously didn't study enough, or you would find that is false, after reading

Romans 8:16
Romans 8:26
Titus 2:13
Hebrews 6:6

CHOSENBYHIM
and reading a lot of the material that has been put out there on this issue. God promised to preserve His words.

SCOTTH1960:
God didn't promise every translation of the Bible in other languages would be as perfect as perfect as the original Bible! There are some errors in the transmission of the word of God, as Hebrews 6:6 in the KJV IS HERETICAL! CALVINIST HERESY!


The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. - Psalm 12:6-7

There are many Verses in Scripture that support Divine preservation. Well Scott, check out the article when you have sometime, and I am sure after reading it you will see why the rendering of "itself" which the KJV gives in Romans 8:16 & Romans 8:26 when referring to the Spirit of God is absolutely acceptable and accurate. Also, in his article Mr. Kinney lists many Bible versions that also use "it" and "itself" when referring to the Spirit of God.


Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. - Jeremiah 6:16
Dear friend, Where does it say in the King James Version that the King James Version is the inspired word of God? What version was inspired before the King James Version? Were there no Christians in England before 1611 AD? Were the KJV translators "theopneustos", inspired directly by the Holy Spirit? Is it possible to be saved and a true Christian if you can't read English? Do non-English speakers have to learn English before they can hear the "word of God" in the King James Bible?
No! No! No! God is not an "it!" The Holy Spirit has a He/Him/His in reference to Himself!
Thus, Romans 8:16,26 and Hebrews 6:6 is heretical. I know you don't like to hear that, but it is the truth!
If you don't believe it, it's sad!
"You can't handle the truth!" Jack Nicholson, in "A Few Good Men".
People who believe in the KJV only are misguided and haven't studied the Bible in its various versions. They think St. Paul wrote most the the KJV NT! Go figure!
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 
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BananaPie

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Dear ones:

On behave of all the saints abroad, specifically non-English speakers, let us consider that God is not limited to a one specific Bible version since the word of God has been made available, in other languages & dialects, to most believers abroad.

Therefore, to even consider that ONLY a certain Bible version is THE ONLY word of God is futile at best. This is the main reason why it is discouraging to purchase Bibles endorsed by a particular individual (ie. Scofield bible edition, Joyce Myer bible edition, Ryrie bible edition, Chuck Smith edition, Hank Hanegraaff edition, MacArthur edition, Joel Osteen edition, Darby edition, Young's edition, NIV 1973, NIV 1978, NIV 1984, TNIV 2005, NIV 2011, etc.)

Furthermore, what do these bibles mean (beside money)? Is it possible that folks who got saved and read NIV 1973 really, really missed out on Joyce Myer's edition of the NIV 2011?

How about folks who got saved long before Scofield was born? Did these folks really, really miss out on the insights of the 1909 Schofield edition of the KJV?

Dear ones, the Lord Jesus is still God on the throne. God does not change nor does God's word need revisions. Yes, let's be wise to examine what Bible we are reading, studying from without neglecting WHO is the God we are living for & learning from. Maranatha! :)

 
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Scotth1960

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The KJV only movement that claims the KJV is the ONLY version to read is a cult. I'm not talking about people who prefer the KJV for various reasons. But for those who are dogmatic on this issue, to the point of saying all other English Bible translations are wrong - they are clearly involved in divisive cult behavior.
Dear Still waters: Not every English translation of the Bible (OT, NT, or part(s) of both), is accurate in every detail. Some (the NWT of Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Inspired Version by Joseph Smith, Jr., of the Mormons) are cultic and heretical. But almost every version of the Bible that I have seen contains the word(s) of God.
So you can use the following Bibles and get truth from God

ESV
NASB
TMB: NAV
KJ21
MKJV
NKJV
NASB95
NIV
NIrV
TNIV
RSV
ASV
RV
NRSV
NAB
JB
NJB
NEB
REB
NCV
TLB
WILLIAMS
NLT
TEV
CEV
GW
BECK
ONT
SAAS/OSB
EOB
I would not recommend THE MESSAGE (TM), MSG (Msg) translation, as it is too opinionated in some places, too modern languaged.
It may not be heretical, but it should be approached with caution.
In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
PS Definitely don't use or consult much with the NWT or the Inspired Version by Joseph Smith, Jr. of the Mormons.

 

ChosenbyHim

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Dear ones:

On behave of all the saints abroad, specifically non-English speakers, let us consider that God is not limited to a one specific Bible version since the word of God has been made available, in other languages & dialects, to most believers abroad.

Therefore, to even consider that ONLY a certain Bible version is THE ONLY word of God is futile at best. This is the main reason why it is discouraging to purchase Bibles endorsed by a particular individual (ie. Scofield bible edition, Joyce Myer bible edition, Ryrie bible edition, Chuck Smith edition, Hank Hanegraaff edition, MacArthur edition, Joel Osteen edition, Darby edition, Young's edition, NIV 1973, NIV 1978, NIV 1984, TNIV 2005, NIV 2011, etc.)

Furthermore, what do these bibles mean (beside money)? Is it possible that folks who got saved and read NIV 1973 really, really missed out on Joyce Myer's edition of the NIV 2011?

How about folks who got saved long before Scofield was born? Did these folks really, really miss out on the insights of the 1909 Schofield edition of the KJV?

Dear ones, the Lord Jesus is still God on the throne. God does not change nor does God's word need revisions. Yes, let's be wise to examine what Bible we are reading, studying from without neglecting WHO is the God we are living for & learning from. Maranatha! :)


Hello Maranta, shalom and thank you for your post! :)
 
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yaright

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I have come to understand that a person who is overtaken by the inward conviction of God's Truth, repents and begins to follow in the teaching of His Word; that all things great or small will be examined closely by the Spirit within; So that these things which are not perfect will fall under God's grace, which is sufficient. All Christian bibles have flaws; but the indwelling Spirit has a perfecting nature.

If we are personally tempted to raise ourselves above a brother or sister in Christ, over issues of imperfection, we have brought a disservice even to our own choice between imperfect bibles. The greater witness comes as we speak of these things that teach us who we are and why we are that way in God's sight.

So, if in the beginning of Christ's ministry, a person considers the Word. "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me" All argument of imperfection will fall at the feet of Jesus in the time of His choosing. If a person understands this, than all creatures that follow Jesus will know that He is Sent; and all imperfection is under His authority.
 
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jimmydiggs

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KJV Onlyism = bible riddled with errors due to the limited number of manuscripts to translate from onlyism
 
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rainacorn

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The Bible Version Issue is something that a lot of people don't like to talk about, I know.
Welcome to the forum.

Do a search.

It's a common/popular subject.