King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)

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ChosenbyHim

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Hello, Justin, Welcome to CC forums & chatroom fellowships.

Yes, your post is of major interest to me because I've always read the Bible in Spanish, very old Castilian, frankly. Therefore, I have not been affected by the various confusions of English Bibles currently in the market.

The intrigue of why must there be so many, quite contrary, English Bibles out there put me on the quest to be educated in that respecty & informed on the topic.

So far, I have discovered that there is indeed an agenda to minimize the deity of Christ, an agenda to put Man in control of what God's Word should be, and to keep the public "in the dark" by the ambiguity these "scholars" bring forth in printing out all kinds of bibles.

Here's an example of the ambiguity "textual criticism" bring into new editions of bibles are based upon.

The so called, "older manuscripts" (collectively known as "critical texts" which all where found in Egypt in a trash pit of a monastary together with Sappho's writting and other ancient Greek secular authors) are given greater value vs. the so called "majority texts" because the older manuscripts were produced sometime between the 2nd to 4th century, while the majority texts were produced during the 5th throught the 12th century. These are collectively called "Byzantine texts."

Now, take for example 1 John 5:7. ALL the older manuscripts do not contain that verse. I verified that myself. This implies, according to these "scholars," that bible scribes outside of Egypt "corrupted the Scriptures" by adding that verse into the actual text.

Well if that is the case, what about the letters to Timothy? Neither 1Timothy nor 2Timonthy are accounted for in any of the "older manuscripts." The 1st & 2nd Epistles to Timothy are only, SOLEY accounted for by the Byzantine texts. Why then does the NIV, NWT, etc. toss out these Epistles?

Here's another hypocresy. Among the "older manuscripts" found in that trash pit in Egypt were also all kinds of gnostic texts such as Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Peter, Shephard of Hermas, etc.

So, why does not the "critical scholars" include the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Peter and the rest of the "trash" (pardon my English) they found in their "older texts" bibles and remove the letters to Timothy since these Epistle are nowhere to be found till after the 5th-6th century?

Do you see how, yes, removing a verse here and a verse there will not make a big impact in their publishing loss (since nobody would be purchasing gnostic ancient trash for a bible), were as removing the entire Epistle to Timothy or adding the Shepherd of Hermas in replacement would make a big impact.

This is such a major fraud what these "new bible version" have done to the world of God. Yet does it matter? Frankly, no. It doesn't matter because there will always be God's chosen people seeking Christ wherever He leads. We do not depend of "new and revised and improved" bibles. We depend on the finished work of Christ crucified, and depend on the victory of His resurrection and on the PROMISE of His glorious return. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God which leads us to ALL truth.

Our agenda (my agenda) is and shall be Christ considering nothing shall separate us from the Love of God. Well, back to my quirks in mapping out what chapter and verse came from what Greek manuscript, where and when. Taste and see that the Lors is good! :)
Wow great post Marantha! Well said. I like how you briefly explained the history of both manuscripts. One thing that is real interesting is to see what God's word has to say about Egypt. Correct me if I am wrong. But it seems as though there is nothing good said about Egypt in the Bible! And as you mentioned in your post, that is exactly where these critical texts were found. Very interesting. I also like how you showed the hypocrisy of many of these "critical text" scholars. How they only apply their reasoning to the texts they want to leave out, but then when it comes to the texts they like, they don't apply that same reasoning there. Yes, the alterations and changes they make in these new versions/ Alexandrian bibles are subtle.

Let us continually thank the Lord Jesus for the precious gift of salvation and His finished work at Cavalry. Amen!

Also, thank you for welcoming me here at Christian Chat. I like this online community a lot. And I look forward to reading some of the testimonies on here. All glory be to God!
 

ChosenbyHim

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I have come to understand that a person who is overtaken by the inward conviction of God's Truth, repents and begins to follow in the teaching of His Word; that all things great or small will be examined closely by the Spirit within; So that these things which are not perfect will fall under God's grace, which is sufficient. All Christian bibles have flaws; but the indwelling Spirit has a perfecting nature.

If we are personally tempted to raise ourselves above a brother or sister in Christ, over issues of imperfection, we have brought a disservice even to our own choice between imperfect bibles. The greater witness comes as we speak of these things that teach us who we are and why we are that way in God's sight.

So, if in the beginning of Christ's ministry, a person considers the Word. "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me" All argument of imperfection will fall at the feet of Jesus in the time of His choosing. If a person understands this, than all creatures that follow Jesus will know that He is Sent; and all imperfection is under His authority.
Thank you sir for your response. Interesting post I must say, however, we do have a perfect Bible :)

Now in terms of imperfection, yes, we all are in the process of going from glory to glory and becoming more like our Lord and Saviour. But I do not believe that this issue is about raising a certain individual above the saints and the brethren. The issue here is simply standing for God's pure truth. And to defend the integrity of His Holy Word. And when there are translations out there that alter and twist the words of the Living God, this is an issue that must be addressed.

The truth of the matter is that it should not be about our preferences. Because then it is no longer Thus saith the LORD, but rather thus saith my preferences. When we rely on our preferences as standards of truth, it leads to sin. And Satan knows that. That's why he is working real hard to destroy Final Authority. There is a Satanic conspiracy to get rid of the King James Bible. A fellow brother in Christ said it best: "It's no longer a conspiracy theory, it's a conspiracy fact."
 
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Thank you sir for your response. Interesting post I must say, however, we do have a perfect Bible :)

Now in terms of imperfection, yes, we all are in the process of going from glory to glory and becoming more like our Lord and Saviour. But I do not believe that this issue is about raising a certain individual above the saints and the brethren. The issue here is simply standing for God's pure truth. And to defend the integrity of His Holy Word. And when there are translations out there that alter and twist the words of the Living God, this is an issue that must be addressed.

The truth of the matter is that it should not be about our preferences. Because then it is no longer Thus saith the LORD, but rather thus saith my preferences. When we rely on our preferences as standards of truth, it leads to sin. And Satan knows that. That's why he is working real hard to destroy Final Authority. There is a Satanic conspiracy to get rid of the King James Bible. A fellow brother in Christ said it best: "It's no longer a conspiracy theory, it's a conspiracy fact."
It is no more true that there is a satanic conspiracy to get rid of the King James Bible than there is a satanic conspiracy of King James only Bible believers to get rid of non-King James Bibles. Every valid Bible is the word of God; the King James Version is not the only valid word of God. Wycliffe also translated the Bible long before the King James Version was published, and other believers published valid translations of the Scriptures in the English language. Much of the King James Bible is not original: it is mostly William Tyndale's Bible version.
The King James only people sin against the truth by cursing anyone who does not agree with their false, narrow-minded view! Only the original manuscripts are the infallible word of God; no translation of the original is 100 percent infallible.

 
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It is no more true that there is a satanic conspiracy to get rid of the King James Bible than there is a satanic conspiracy of King James only Bible believers to get rid of non-King James Bibles. Every valid Bible is the word of God; the King James Version is not the only valid word of God. Wycliffe also translated the Bible long before the King James Version was published, and other believers published valid translations of the Scriptures in the English language. Much of the King James Bible is not original: it is mostly William Tyndale's Bible version.
The King James only people sin against the truth by cursing anyone who does not agree with their false, narrow-minded view! Only the original manuscripts are the infallible word of God; no translation of the original is 100 percent infallible.
Thank you Scotty you in your zeal for refuting the KJV as inaccurate have just proven to me of it's authenticity............LOL.....
It is funny how God works through those misbelievers to show true believers the truth!

Everyday on here I get more corroberation to my prayers about questions I have put to the Lord and it's those like you and AOK that seem to do that for me.

Thank you Zone and Doc. if your watching...... the fog is dissapating with the light of day!:D
 

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I don't understand how one can call the KJV inaccurate in any way? Much of the book is taken from Tyndale. No bible is true and infallible.

Nowhere is it written that god commanded a bible to be written in the first place. As far as content the scrolls from Alexandria are always going to be the biggest question in history. Not to mention they did not have the Dead Sea scrolls.
 
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Stick with what has stood the test of time
 
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Reformedjason

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Stick with what has stood the test of time
Ah, the critical greek text. It has textual variants in the apparatus. Using this would get you the closest to the original autos. This has defiantly stood the test of time. Maybe the Latin vulgate ? It was used for 1100 years. If you can't read greek and you can't read Latin you probably need an english bible. If you do not live in the 17th century you probably need a current bible version.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Ah, the critical greek text. It has textual variants in the apparatus. Using this would get you the closest to the original autos. This has defiantly stood the test of time. Maybe the Latin vulgate ? It was used for 1100 years. If you can't read greek and you can't read Latin you probably need an english bible. If you do not live in the 17th century you probably need a current bible version.

Just stick with God's pure, inerrant, and infallible word. Which is the King James Bible.


God has blessed the Authorized Version and has greatly used it and is still using it mightily. And He will continue to use it, for it is His Holy Book.


The modern versions which are just Vatican bibles which have a protestant wrapper on them, are simply counterfeits. The modern bible versions don't scare Satan, after all, they are his bibles.
 
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Just stick with God's pure, inerrant, and infallible word. Which is the King James Bible.


God has blessed the Authorized Version and has greatly used it.


The modern versions which are just Vatican bibles which have a protestant wrapper on them, are simply counterfeits. The modern bible versions don't scare Satan, after all, they are his bibles.
Naa. The Lord used the NIV to bring me to a knowledge of him. You can not name one doctrine that the Kjv has that the NIV , esv , nasb, or nkjv does not.
 

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The bible is just a book made by men. the KJV is just another translation! It has plenty of errors and to say that it is infallible is crazy. Please research how it was made and the political influences that are in it.

Ancient scrolls never had verses made into them, they did not have politics influencing the text and most importantly they did not write it in English.

The bible would be much different if we had the scrolls from Alexandria and other possible texts.

Just stick with God's pure, inerrant, and infallible word. Which is the King James Bible.


God has blessed the Authorized Version and has greatly used it.


The modern versions which are just Vatican bibles which have a protestant wrapper on them, are simply counterfeits. The modern bible versions don't scare Satan, after all, they are his bibles.
 
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ChosenbyHim

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Naa. The Lord used the NIV to bring me to a knowledge of him. You can not name one doctrine that the Kjv has that the NIV , esv , nasb, or nkjv does not.

I can name you several doctrines that the new Vatican perversions change and pervert.

Bible Doctrines such as the Deity of Jesus Christ, Salvation by Grace through Faith, the Blood Atonement, the Godhead, the Doctrine of Biblical Separation, are Doctrines which are all attacked and weakened in the modern Vatican perversions.
 
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I can name you several doctrines that the new Vatican perversions change and pervert.

Bible Doctrines such as the Deity of Jesus Christ, Salvation by Grace through Faith, the Blood Atonement, the Godhead, the Doctrine of Biblical Separation, are Doctrines which are all attacked and weakened in the modern Vatican perversions.
Dr DA Waite one of your Kjv only advocates, admitted in the question answer time in the debate with Dr James White, that there was NO essential doctrine in the Kjv that was not in the new versions. I say " no doctrine at all. "Not to mention essentials. Your so called perversions can all be explained. I am pretty much done here. Have a good one
 

ChosenbyHim

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Dr DA Waite one of your Kjv only advocates, admitted in the question answer time in the debate with Dr James White, that there was NO essential doctrine in the Kjv that was not in the new versions. I say " no doctrine at all. "Not to mention essentials. Your so called perversions can all be explained. I am pretty much done here. Have a good one

Many of the "Fundamentals of the Faith" can be found in the Alexandrian perversions, although they are greatly weakened. But just the mere fact that fundamentals of the faith can still be found in the modern perversions still does not make it alright or justify the omissions and changes which the modern perversions make to the text of the Holy Scriptures.


Oh and by the way, Bible Doctrine is affected and changed in the Vatican perversions. So stop trying to justify the wicked, Satanic counterfeits such as the NIV (Non Inspired Version), LB (Kenneth Taylor's Dead Letters), CEV (Corrupt Satanic Version), etc.

 
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mystdancer50

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Personally, I believe it all comes down to one's personal belief in the power of God. Either God is powerful enough to keep His word intact and reach the lost, regardless of the translation, or He isn't. What do you believe?

I, personally, believe in studying the word of God in different translations, including KJV and NKJV, at the same time. I think that God uses different translations to open His word up more, along with Holy Spirit revelation. My God is stronger than man and His word is infallible.

Also, when a translation uses 'He' instead of proper names, that is only further 'proof' that one must read the verse in context, for, just like novels, the character of the paragraph is named at the start and the pronouns he and she are used in the paragraph, rather than typing the name every time. So, if you read the entire Scripture in context, you define the 'He' mentioned and know what is going on, without claiming that the deity of Christ is removed.

Just some of my thoughts. I don't expect those loyal to the KJV to understand or agree with me, and that isn't my intention, either. I just think that we can get very legalistic and, just like the Pharisees, force our opinion on others as law and divine rule, when it is anything but.
 

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Satanic counterfeit? Are you insane?
 

Hizikyah

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Personally, I believe it all comes down to one's personal belief in the power of God. Either God is powerful enough to keep His word intact and reach the lost, regardless of the translation, or He isn't. What do you believe?

I, personally, believe in studying the word of God in different translations, including KJV and NKJV, at the same time. I think that God uses different translations to open His word up more, along with Holy Spirit revelation. My God is stronger than man and His word is infallible.

Also, when a translation uses 'He' instead of proper names, that is only further 'proof' that one must read the verse in context, for, just like novels, the character of the paragraph is named at the start and the pronouns he and she are used in the paragraph, rather than typing the name every time. So, if you read the entire Scripture in context, you define the 'He' mentioned and know what is going on, without claiming that the deity of Christ is removed.

Just some of my thoughts. I don't expect those loyal to the KJV to understand or agree with me, and that isn't my intention, either. I just think that we can get very legalistic and, just like the Pharisees, force our opinion on others as law and divine rule, when it is anything but.
I agree numerous translation and ancient texts should always be consulted, I o have to say tho all translations are not of Yah, there is a gay bible that changes words so gay is ok.....
 

mystdancer50

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I agree numerous translation and ancient texts should always be consulted, I o have to say tho all translations are not of Yah, there is a gay bible that changes words so gay is ok.....
Never read that one. I would think anyone that is truly seeking truth would avoid that one, and the satanic bible too. Common sense goes a long way. The versions being debated here are not the gay bible. I would think if anyone tried to promote that one as truth would be slammed down by most folks here. :) At least, one would hope so.