King James?

[Willie-T]

I don't mean to be that way Wille-T. Tell me where I'm wrong.

Well, we have to come to an agreement on what those "begotten" words in the Bible meant. My take is they meant Jesus was God's only son to come through a woman in regular, normal, physical childbirth.

 

[Willie-T]

I, personally, have no problem with the wording of either the KJV, nor the NIV. Because I believe they are both speaking about Mary carrying and presenting a newborn humanoid child.

 

[resurrection33]

How do I determine the absolute truth, once and for all, as to which version of the Bible is the real McCoy? Protestants say the King James is the only complete truth. Catholics say the Dhouey-Rheims Catholic is. I want to finally understand the TRUTH, and the history behind it that PROVES it.

I am a Prostestant, and I don't use the King James version. My problem with it is that the meanings of some of the words in it have changed in the four hundred years that have passed since it was first published.

 

[Tintin]

Is, no. The KJV has verses added to it that can't be found in the modern translations that make use of the oldest manuscripts and far more up-to-date scholarship than was around in 1611. As for the arguments concerning modern translations, I've heard them all before.

 

[posthuman]

we are only His sons and daughters in that we are found in Christ, being reborn in Him by the Spirit and the Word.
and this, as adoption, by covenant, just as Israel, by covenant, was chosen to be His people, born by the faith of Abraham, and sealed through their baptism into Moses.

Jesus Christ is the one and only Son, begotten into the flesh in His perfect likeness, but not as us, or as ISrael, being taken out of darkness into light, from obscurity into sonship - He is the eternal One, uncreated, one with Father before time, and exists as the "Son" for as long as the living God could be called "Father" - He is monogenes, single in status, and prototokos, firstborn of the dead, and firstborn of all creation - the living Word of God through which all things are created, but is Himself uncreated, the direct extension of the living God.

 

[Is]

If God only has one son then what is Romans 8:14 talking about. Are we sons of God or not?

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God

We are children of God by "adoption".

"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will". Ephesians 1:5

 

[Is]

Is, no. The KJV has verses added to it that can't be found in the modern translations that make use of the oldest manuscripts and far more up-to-date scholarship than was around in 1611. As for the arguments concerning modern translations, I've heard them all before.

It what you say is the truth then the Revision Committee of 1881 would have been given instructions to totally change the KJV, but they weren't, and why did Westcott and Hort come up with a whole new Greek text?

And two of the oldest manuscripte are Vaticanus and Siniaticus and they both disagree thousands of times between themselves, do you call that a reliable source?

 

[tlims]

If there is one thing that God has control over in this world it is his word. He would not allow it to be perverted to blind his flock.

 

[tanach]

Michael47 The original KJV did have the books you mentioned included in a separate section. The Bible used by None Catholics is based on the Hebrew version of the Bible,(Tanakh). If you want to argue the point about the extra seven. How about the Eastern Orthodox Bible that has additional books not recognised by catholics or more extreme the one used by the Ethiopian Church that includes the book of Enoch and Pauls letter to Laodicians. Point is where do you draw the line? How about chucking in the dead Sea Scrolls , Gnostic Gospels and a whole library of Jewish writings .

 

[Utah]

A guy believes God is gracious enough and powerful enough to give us his pure inerrant word and you call him sick???
The one who needs to be deprogrammed is the one who thinks God is not gracious enough or powerful enough to give us his pure inerrant word.

You KJV-only lunatics are all the same. Go play in traffic.

 

[Elysian]

New Age Bible translations? I don't think you know the meaning of the words 'New Age' if someone hit you over the head with an NIV Bible!

Mark 9:44 (KJV) Where there worm dieth not,and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:44 (NIV)


luke 17:36 (KJV) Two men shall be in the field;the one shall be taken,and the other left.

Luke 17:36 (NIV)


Isaiah 14:12 (KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, 0 Lucifer,son of the morning!how art thou cut down to the ground,which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:12 (NIV) How you have fallen from heaven,O morning star,son of the dawn!You have been cast down to the earth,you who once laid low the nations!

In Isaiah 14:12 the NIV takes one of the blessed titles given to my lord Jesus Christ (Morning star) and gives it to Satan.
There are many other verses missing from these new age bibles other than the ones I have just drawn attention too, so give me a break.

 

[Tintin]

Mark 9:44 (KJV) Where there worm dieth not,and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:44 (NIV)


luke 17:36 (KJV) Two men shall be in the field;the one shall be taken,and the other left.

Luke 17:36 (NIV)


Isaiah 14:12 (KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, 0 Lucifer,son of the morning!how art thou cut down to the ground,which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:12 (NIV) How you have fallen from heaven,O morning star,son of the dawn!You have been cast down to the earth,you who once laid low the nations!

In Isaiah 14:12 the NIV takes one of the blessed titles given to my lord Jesus Christ (Morning star) and gives it to Satan.
There are many other verses missing from these new age bibles other than the ones I have just drawn attention too, so give me a break.

For the last time, they're not freaking missing. Goodness!

 

[tlims]

Amen, we are to let the Holy Spirit enlighten us to the meaning of the scripture we read rather than reading and thinking with our carnal mind.

 

[KohenMatt]

As long as the Holy Spirit is teaching you through the ink and pages of any Bible, you're doing just fine. The moment you place your trust in a specific translation and it's "accuracy" instead of the Holy Spirit, you've missed it.

The Bible wasn't written in English, so all versions will be faulty to some degree.

 

[Elysian]

Yet you seem to think that Satan somehow overpowered God, and had hundreds of other Bibles printed? Poor God.... couldn't He keep His word "pure"? I mean, even the KJV given to us has been altered countless times, so that what we now buy in a store doesn't even look like what was originally translated.

But, that is somehow OK? Either the original was the ONLY one, or it wasn't, and all these altered KJV's are just fine......... BUT anything else written, isn't?

Satan can never overpower God there is evil in the world but that does not me Satan has the upperhand.There are all kinds of crook bible versions out there among them are - The new world translation,The book of Mormon,The queen James, The new king James and many others and the bible warns us to beware of those with a false Gospel.

I often see the King James bible attacked but rarely, if ever I see any other version even criticized which reminds me of how the world treats Jesus Christ.