King James?

posthuman · Aug 14, 2015

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
(1 John 2:6)

that's heresy? really?
i need for you to elaborate, please.

were these scriptures written in English first, or in Greek & Hebrew?

you need to set aside any idolatry of a particular translation for a moment, so your eyes can see what is written here.
will you try to do that, if not for me, for the sake of the Truth?
be like a child, and look at the text, what it literally says:

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beingJustifiedFreely · Aug 15, 2015

2corinthians11
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
That verse in 1john is tribulation specific.

posthuman · Aug 15, 2015

beingJustifiedFreely said:

what do you mean, "tribulation-specific" ?

unless we're in the tribulation, no need to imitate Christ?

it's not as though the scriptures aren't full of injunctions to be like Christ. how about this one:

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
(2 Corinthians 3:18)

or this --

Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him
(Colossians 3:9-10)

or this

Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
(Ephesians 5:1-2)

?

isn't the whole purpose of our renewal and the work God is doing in us to become like Him? isn't that what our spirits groan for, and patiently await, for this to be complete in us?
what, then, to frustrate it? or as much as it is within us, to strive for it?
to struggle against the Potter's hand or to yield?
if He clothed me in Christ, should i try to work myself out of Him, or hold this beautiful Garment close against my chest, against these winds?

beingJustifiedFreely · Aug 15, 2015

No. When you obey the word of God according to his establishment commandment you will MANIFEST his life through our flesh.
Here is the difference: being like Christ and Christ living thriugh you. This is specific to this age because of God freely dispensing grace mercy and peace. You find grace and peace being MULTIPLIED to you after hebrews. Tribulation time. What the Lord was talking about in matthew 24:13. Thats why JAMES says faith and works. Faith alone in tis age. Faith and works in the last days during the tribulation. The believer will recieve an unction from the Holy One in 1john 2:20. Those are instructions during the last days. We will know all things. Im not worried. If you are being justified freely neither should you. To God only wise be glory through Jesus Christ our Lord for ever. Amen.

duewell · Aug 15, 2015

Prodigalson said:

great question. you want the truth of the bible and the history that proves it. while i'm honored you would come here to ask for such a thing, i regret to inform you that almost no one here is qualified to help you understand the truth and the history of the bible in a way that will leave you satisfied. if you are looking for historical information on the evolution of the written word that's easily found out about on the internet. if you are trying to decide which denomination is the right one for you to believe/conform in and read their version of the bible, you certainly seem to have a lot of options out there.

or are you looking to experience the truth and the history? do you want to discuss which cookbook has the right chocolate recipe or would you rather actually eat chocolate. which could be the greatest determination of the absolute truth on chocolate, asking the students about which cook book to read about chocolate or going right to the chef and asking for a piece of chocolate?

the good news is that you can go right to the chef. you don't have to have permission from someone else or conform to their denominational belief system first. pick up any bible and you will see they all say the same thing. it's peoples understanding of the bible that is different.

do you want to read the greatest story ever told or do you want to be a part of it. we do not conform a bible to an "accepted" understanding of salvation. we are conformed by Christ through his understanding of salvation. we do not present ourselves to God. we present ourselves to Christ, so that he can prepare us and present us to God. confess your sins and ask Jesus for help. you just might experience more truth and history than you ever expected possible.

duewell
mark 4 v 11-13
1 corinthians 1:18-22
1 corinthians 2:13-14

Elysian · Aug 15, 2015

Dan58 said:

This is the reason I only read from an authorized King James bible and the fact that new age bible translations are printed for two reasons - to push an opinion or to make a buck.

KJV1611 · Aug 15, 2015

posthuman said:

If you understood what I have been talking about then you would understand what Jeremiah 31:9 is saying. Israel is all the spiritual children of God. Ephraim is the second born son of Joseph, he gets the blessings, that means he is a spiritual son of God. Do you see where this going?

Israel in Jeremiah 31 is all of Gods spiritual children, Jews and Gentiles. Ephriam is God's FIRSTBORN (an Israelite per Exo_4:22). Ephriam is a Jewish spiritual son of God.

What is your understanding of Jeremiah 31:9 and how does it relate to Exodus 4:22? Is national Israel God's firstborn son or is it Ephraim or is both as I said?

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Jer 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Tintin · Aug 15, 2015

Elysian said:

New Age Bible translations? I don't think you know the meaning of the words 'New Age' if someone hit you over the head with an NIV Bible!

Is · Aug 15, 2015

posthuman said:

"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas, and I of Christ.

Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1Cor.1:12,13

Willie-T · Aug 15, 2015

Elysian said:

Uh..... You do know, don't you, that the "authorization" was simply the approval of a medieval king for his subjects to use that particular version he had assigned translators to make? That is not an "authorization" from God.

KJV1611 · Aug 15, 2015

Utah said:

A guy believes God is gracious enough and powerful enough to give us his pure inerrant word and you call him sick???
The one who needs to be deprogrammed is the one who thinks God is not gracious enough or powerful enough to give us his pure inerrant word.

KJV1611 · Aug 15, 2015

Is said:

Amen, the KJV makes it clear... like I said the other translations contradict in those verses.

Willie-T · Aug 15, 2015

KJV1611 said:

Yet you seem to think that Satan somehow overpowered God, and had hundreds of other Bibles printed? Poor God.... couldn't He keep His word "pure"? I mean, even the KJV given to us has been altered countless times, so that what we now buy in a store doesn't even look like what was originally translated.

But, that is somehow OK? Either the original was the ONLY one, or it wasn't, and all these altered KJV's are just fine......... BUT anything else written, isn't?

Is · Aug 15, 2015

KJV1611 said:

Yes, I think "only begotten" carries more emphasis than where most translation just call Jesus "unigue".

KJV1611 · Aug 15, 2015

Tintin said:

I know the meaning of New Age and I know how they refer to their gods. Their god is in Daniel 3:25.

[h=1]Daniel 3:25New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=1]25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”
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Yet · Aug 15, 2015

What about the first ekklesia? They did far more than the current generation ekklesia. They turned their little world upside down for Christ. What version were they carrying? Answer: the version that was inscribed on their hearts!

Whats my point? Paul's and orher's letters were floating about. That's good. But the multitude of new believers didn't really have copies in their hands. But they had enough of the Holy Spirit indwelling that they had 'no need of anyone to teach them for the Spirit will teach them all things'. 1John 2:27

So im thinking, as long as your surrender to Christ is deep and sure, any version will work to a degree. When it deviates from the full truth, that same Spirit will sound an alarm in your spirit and will direct you to the truth of the matter.

Ive experienced this many times. A lazy man won't. Due diligence is required.

KJV1611 · Aug 15, 2015

Willie-T said:

Satan works for God, he's not God's enemy he's our enemy. God sent the corrupted translations just like he's done in the past. When people don't wont the true word of God, then God sends them what they want... lying spirits.

1Ki_22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

I'm not aware of any differences between the 1611 KJV and the one we read today other than spelling. Can you post some of the alterations?

Is · Aug 15, 2015

Willie-T said:

Your information is wrong. The undertaking began when approximately a thousand ministers sent a petition, which later came to be known as the "Millenary Petition" to King James.

(Alexander W. McClure, The Translators Revised (Litchfield, MI: Maranatha Bible Society, 1858), p. 57).

Dr. Renyolds was made spokesman for the thousand ministers who represented about one-third of the clergy of the Church of England. They requested several "reforms" and eventually, at a meeting at Hampton Court, Renyolds proposed the undertaking of a new translation of the Bible on the grounds that the "Great Bible" of 1539 was a very corrupt translation.

King James accepted their request, but he did not initiate the procedure.

Willie-T · Aug 15, 2015

Is said:

Your information is wrong. The undertaking began when approximately a thousand ministers sent a petition, which later came to be known as the "Millenary Petition" to King James.

(Alexander W. McClure, The Translators Revised (Litchfield, MI: Maranatha Bible Society, 1858), p. 57).

Dr. Renyolds was made spokesman for the thousand ministers who represented about one-third of the clergy of the Church of England. They requested several "reforms" and eventually, at a meeting at Hampton Court, Renyolds proposed the undertaking of a new translation of the Bible on the grounds that the "Great Bible" of 1539 was a very corrupt translation.

King James accepted their request, but he did not initiate the procedure.

He hired the translators, and they answered to him. Have you ever read the long, long introduction to that translation, addressed directly to the king? It's an eye-opener.

Yet · Aug 15, 2015

If we were to simply obey man and his desires, then that would fly in the face of 'do not lord it over His heritage'. I use Strongs concordance. Peitho is the Greek for obey. With other descriptive words such as persuade, what we take away from this verse is we are to obey the word of God taught. Yield to it, not yield to man as a task master.
We are not to obey a man's whims such as the current condition is which was birthed in Babylon, picked up by Rome and funneled down to us today. the deeds of the Nicolaitans, clerical/ laity.

Jesus said in Matt. 20, of which few Christians can grasp, is that The elders were not to rule over the sheep as tyranicle despots.

It seems that an excercize in futility would be for flesh to try to reveal this to the 'church'. Only the Father can pull back this mantle of deception. Seeds are dead until germination.

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