Law of Moses Dissected: Extracting the Moral Law

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eternally-gratefull

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Awesome answer. So then, can anyone explain what the Law of Christ is and how we go about obeying it? If we are not under this "moral law", that is isolated from the Law of Moses, some are going to worry about licentiousness and lawlessness; so can you address this idea of licentiousness and reveal to them the fruit of grace and how it affects our walk?

PS: Anyone may elaborate on this, what is the Law of Christ? How does us not being under this "moral law" not lead to licentiousness or lawlessness? Also, how does grace affect our walk through liberty and yet does not lead to sin?
What is it that an unbeliever can not do? as I think it get to the root cause of the issue.

of course I could be wrong not like it has not happened before. and sure it will happen again..lol
 
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Awesome answer. So then, can anyone explain what the Law of Christ is and how we go about obeying it? If we are not under this "moral law", that is isolated from the Law of Moses, some are going to worry about licentiousness and lawlessness; so can you address this idea of licentiousness and reveal to them the fruit of grace and how it affects our walk?

PS: Anyone may elaborate on this, what is the Law of Christ? How does us not being under this "moral law" not lead to licentiousness or lawlessness? Also, how does grace affect our walk through liberty and yet does not lead to sin?
What is the Law of Christ? My simple answer: Grow in Grace and knowledge.

Where your heart is...........If we are studying bible doctrine and Growing in grace and knowledge, learning the principles of the Christian way of life, our minds are occupied with Christ and less occupied with this world. So we are occupied with Christ and not our flesh............morality through spirituality. We don't have time to sin because we are occupied with Christ.

Where your heart is.................if we are studying morality and sin...........we are occupied with sin, we know where that leads if we don't have the mind of Christ. Even the most adherent moralist or sin occupied person will eventually cave one way or another. Go into some sin(Immoral degeneracy) or try for perfection(moral degeneracy.) We will ALL fail at this approach.
 
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You have done away with obeying Christ, now there are no morals??????
Obeying Christ is keeping the law now is it? Well then why did he come then, there is no new covenant, there is no new birth, there is no abundant life, just become a Jew and keep the law. Do you only read the Old Testament, the New Covenant brought in better thing that the law could never do.
 
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Awesome answer. So then, can anyone explain what the Law of Christ is and how we go about obeying it? If we are not under this "moral law", that is isolated from the Law of Moses, some are going to worry about licentiousness and lawlessness; so can you address this idea of licentiousness and reveal to them the fruit of grace and how it affects our walk?
I know it just seems way to simple for some but there is only one way to be obedient to Christ, through faith. Faith that receives the very activity of Christ. Christ's activity is neither licentious nor legalistic, it is that narrow way between those two extremes.

what is the Law of Christ?
Love.
 
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#46
Obeying Christ is keeping the law now is it? Well then why did he come then, there is no new covenant, there is no new birth, there is no abundant life, just become a Jew and keep the law. Do you only read the Old Testament, the New Covenant brought in better thing that the law could never do.
Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and Love your neighor as yourself. You have a problem with this?
 

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What is it that an unbeliever can not do? as I think it get to the root cause of the issue.

of course I could be wrong not like it has not happened before. and sure it will happen again..lol
Be saved without Christ. Is that the answer you are looking for? lol
 
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I will not come into bondage to any law, God's (old covenant, old economy) or man, but the Royal Law of Christ - Love.
 

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#49
Awesome answer. So then, can anyone explain what the Law of Christ is and how we go about obeying it? If we are not under this "moral law", that is isolated from the Law of Moses, some are going to worry about licentiousness and lawlessness; so can you address this idea of licentiousness and reveal to them the fruit of grace and how it affects our walk?

PS: Anyone may elaborate on this, what is the Law of Christ? How does us not being under this "moral law" not lead to licentiousness or lawlessness? Also, how does grace affect our walk through liberty and yet does not lead to sin?
IMO, The Law of Christ is the Law which Jer 31:31-34 tells us is written on the heats of those who are under the New Covenant.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No, are you? Weird question
Well then why are you disobedient? Gods law requires perfection. you just admitted you failed.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Be saved without Christ. Is that the answer you are looking for? lol
No.. It is a law we can not keep even if we tried.. It is also something that is required to be obedient to God. I know you know what it is..lol
 
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Well then why are you disobedient? Gods law requires perfection. you just admitted you failed.
I realize God has a law and I am not playing around with words, as you do, to justify my sin
 

BenFTW

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"Liar" is an identity. And it's not the identity of Christians. A liar is not a liar because they lie, a liar lies because they are a liar. Kenny gets that backwards, as he does most things.

*Kenny is ignoring me, and I kind of like it. It sure makes it easier for me.
I like that, nice distinction. Our identity is found in Christ, and in Him, we are the righteousness of God. Our sin doesn't define us, Christ does. We were sinners saved by grace, but we are now saints. We still sin, but such sin is not tied to who we now are, but is a result of our mortal bodies (the flesh). We need to renew our minds to the spiritual truths of God's word so that it may alter our natural surroundings. There is an identity crisis due to ignorance, but as we mature in Christ we learn who we are in Him and who He is to us. This happening, our conduct is sanctified towards righteousness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I realize God has a law and I am not playing around with words, as you do, to justify my sin
dude, who said I was justifying my sin.

Your the one who said.


You have done away with obeying Christ, now there are no morals??????

My response to you was that you can not live up to Gods moral standard. So why are you justifying YOUR SIN?
 

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No.. It is a law we can not keep even if we tried.. It is also something that is required to be obedient to God. I know you know what it is..lol
Morning eternally-gratefull! Yet another title said differently for same issue. This continuing issue of coming at salvation by grace through faith vs. works, reminds me of Balak trying to get Balaam to curse the Israelites. Come over here and view them from east and curse them. No? Ok, look at them from the west and curse them from here. No? Ok, let's go over here and view them from the north, then maybe you can curse them from there. The comparison being that, if we can call it by another title maybe we can get people to believe in it. If not, we'll just keep trying new titles for the same thing. Oye Vey!
 
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Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and Love your neighor as yourself. You have a problem with this?
You have misconstrued my words I was just giving their words and reasoning by at them.
 

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Awesome answer. So then, can anyone explain what the Law of Christ is and how we go about obeying it? If we are not under this "moral law", that is isolated from the Law of Moses, some are going to worry about licentiousness and lawlessness; so can you address this idea of licentiousness and reveal to them the fruit of grace and how it affects our walk?

PS: Anyone may elaborate on this, what is the Law of Christ? How does us not being under this "moral law" not lead to licentiousness or lawlessness? Also, how does grace affect our walk through liberty and yet does not lead to sin?
The Law of Christ is essentially this. ..

Galatians 5:13, 16, 18, 22-25 (KJV)
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 
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Morning eternally-gratefull! Yet another title said differently for same issue. This continuing issue of coming at salvation by grace through faith vs. works, reminds me of Balak trying to get Balaam to curse the Israelites. Come over here and view them from east and curse them. No? Ok, look at them from the west and curse them from here. No? Ok, let's go over here and view them from the north, then maybe you can curse them from there. The comparison being that, if we can call it by another title maybe we can get people to believe in it. If not, we'll just keep trying new titles for the same thing. Oye Vey!
That seems to be human nature. You can see it from a mile away once you hear it long enough. You would think it would change, s many people did it before. But Satan's lie is so subtle. it is easy to fall for.
 
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I'm not looking for the "do, I'm looking for the done.

In Christ.
 

Ahwatukee

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That seems to be human nature. You can see it from a mile away once you hear it long enough. You would think it would change, s many people did it before. But Satan's lie is so subtle. it is easy to fall for.
So true! (character requirement)