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He did not say he was without sin.
And quite sure he talked much about Yahshua the Messiah.
He explained things very well...
The pharisees had their own oral law that they used against people to exalt themselves.
So we have Yahvah God's 10 Commandments and Moses ceremonial Law to offer sin offerings.
Then we must also consider the oral Law that was acting against the people and for the pharisees.
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I read a lot of posts from people who sound to me like some friends we had who've become, for lack of a better term, Messianic Christians. They live 3,000 miles away now, and we don't see the way they live.
So can someone, anyone, actually be specific as to which parts (or is it all?) of the ceremonial law we are to keep? And which parts of the OT Scripture these things come from? I tend to think of Leviticus, but as I'm pretty ignorant of the ceremonial law, there are probably other books of the Bible I should be looking at.
Please- I am seriously asking--can someone be quite specific, and not just throw out generalizations like "the food laws" etc. Are we to wash in some special way after we touch something dead? Or offer something in a ceremonial way for disobedience to that law? (because every time I cook for my family, I touch something dead...)
It's not as if there was a temple when Moses gave these laws, so are we still to offer animals as is told in the first chapters of Leviticus?
Leviticus 5:3--what is human uncleanness? If I change a baby's diaper and accidentally touch what's inside it, or deal with my own monthly cycle...am I to make a guilt offering?
I hope you understand I am really a-s-k-i-n-g for specifics. Is it unlawful to drag a chair across the floor on the Sabbath?
Which parts of the "law" are you speaking of? Just exactly HOW do you live your lives to be obedient to the ceremonial laws? And do you all live the same way?
If you hope to offer us a better way, it would be better if you really explained what this entails. So, I respectfully ask, what should I do?
Thanks! ~ellie
So can someone, anyone, actually be specific as to which parts (or is it all?) of the ceremonial law we are to keep? And which parts of the OT Scripture these things come from? I tend to think of Leviticus, but as I'm pretty ignorant of the ceremonial law, there are probably other books of the Bible I should be looking at.
Please- I am seriously asking--can someone be quite specific, and not just throw out generalizations like "the food laws" etc. Are we to wash in some special way after we touch something dead? Or offer something in a ceremonial way for disobedience to that law? (because every time I cook for my family, I touch something dead...)
It's not as if there was a temple when Moses gave these laws, so are we still to offer animals as is told in the first chapters of Leviticus?
Leviticus 5:3--what is human uncleanness? If I change a baby's diaper and accidentally touch what's inside it, or deal with my own monthly cycle...am I to make a guilt offering?
I hope you understand I am really a-s-k-i-n-g for specifics. Is it unlawful to drag a chair across the floor on the Sabbath?
Which parts of the "law" are you speaking of? Just exactly HOW do you live your lives to be obedient to the ceremonial laws? And do you all live the same way?
If you hope to offer us a better way, it would be better if you really explained what this entails. So, I respectfully ask, what should I do?
Thanks! ~ellie
The grace of God is given to every believer and to be a partaker of God's grace it must come from what God has given to each believer. This is how we learn to submit, to forgive, to edify and to receive from one another. This is how we learn to grow up together as a habitation of God through the Spirit. This can only take place in the body of Christ and the body is where God's fulness dwells. God gives us His grace through the members of His body. This is the supply of the Spirit given to every member so that we can be built up together as the NT church. Without the church and body of Christ believers would be very limited in their experience with the grace of God. As a body we are members of His body, flesh and bones and we need to draw from Christ and the members of His body.
We are bound to the body of Christ by grace and not by the law. We stand in grace and are justified by grace and not the law. If we fail or sin we are restored by grace and not the law. If we are to minister to others we do that with grace and not the law. Through mercy and grace God has taken away our sins, the law could not do that. When sin abounds grace does much more abound, not the law. God's strength is made perfect in our weakness through grace and not the law. The law will always condemn but grace and truth will edify and build up in Christ. It is by the grace of God that we can even think or consider a life of faith that is pleasing to God.
We are bound to the body of Christ by grace and not by the law. We stand in grace and are justified by grace and not the law. If we fail or sin we are restored by grace and not the law. If we are to minister to others we do that with grace and not the law. Through mercy and grace God has taken away our sins, the law could not do that. When sin abounds grace does much more abound, not the law. God's strength is made perfect in our weakness through grace and not the law. The law will always condemn but grace and truth will edify and build up in Christ. It is by the grace of God that we can even think or consider a life of faith that is pleasing to God.
First we understand that
The Hebrew people were given the ceremonial Law to cover their sin/trespass of the 10 Commandments.
For you and I we have Yahshua the Messiah as our sin offering for our Trespass of the 10 Commandments.
All the information found in the Bible such as what to eat and not eat is the best advice, since our Creator Yahvah created us he knows what is good for us to eat and gives us this information.
You do not have to lie still on the Sabbath you simply have a day of rest.
I remember there were people buying and selling on the Sabbath and were rebuked and told not to come within the gates.
So buying and selling can wait for another day etc... one day a week we can rest.
The Holy Spirit fills us with a desire to live how our Yahvah God wants us to live.
I ate pork up until I read where Yahvah God said it was not to be eaten, he knows better than me.
I was always curios why certain people did not eat pork, it seemed okay to me everyone around me ate it.....
The Hebrew people were given the ceremonial Law to cover their sin/trespass of the 10 Commandments.
For you and I we have Yahshua the Messiah as our sin offering for our Trespass of the 10 Commandments.
All the information found in the Bible such as what to eat and not eat is the best advice, since our Creator Yahvah created us he knows what is good for us to eat and gives us this information.
You do not have to lie still on the Sabbath you simply have a day of rest.
I remember there were people buying and selling on the Sabbath and were rebuked and told not to come within the gates.
So buying and selling can wait for another day etc... one day a week we can rest.
The Holy Spirit fills us with a desire to live how our Yahvah God wants us to live.
I ate pork up until I read where Yahvah God said it was not to be eaten, he knows better than me.
I was always curios why certain people did not eat pork, it seemed okay to me everyone around me ate it.....
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So, I'm still confused...
loveme1, are you saying just follow the 10 commandments, the food laws, and no shopping on Saturdays? (sorry- Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, is that right?)
So when you say "the ceremonial law of Moses", you don't really mean the whole thing? Just the food and Sabbath laws?
I am really just trying to understand what would have to change in my life to be Holy (and though I appreciate your answer, it's still too vague for me!) I can read the Scripture and still not understand which of the ceremonial laws I am to keep...
loveme1, are you saying just follow the 10 commandments, the food laws, and no shopping on Saturdays? (sorry- Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, is that right?)
So when you say "the ceremonial law of Moses", you don't really mean the whole thing? Just the food and Sabbath laws?
I am really just trying to understand what would have to change in my life to be Holy (and though I appreciate your answer, it's still too vague for me!) I can read the Scripture and still not understand which of the ceremonial laws I am to keep...
So, I'm still confused...
loveme1, are you saying just follow the 10 commandments, the food laws, and no shopping on Saturdays? (sorry- Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, is that right?)
So when you say "the ceremonial law of Moses", you don't really mean the whole thing? Just the food and Sabbath laws?
I am really just trying to understand what would have to change in my life to be Holy (and though I appreciate your answer, it's still too vague for me!) I can read the Scripture and still not understand which of the ceremonial laws I am to keep...
loveme1, are you saying just follow the 10 commandments, the food laws, and no shopping on Saturdays? (sorry- Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, is that right?)
So when you say "the ceremonial law of Moses", you don't really mean the whole thing? Just the food and Sabbath laws?
I am really just trying to understand what would have to change in my life to be Holy (and though I appreciate your answer, it's still too vague for me!) I can read the Scripture and still not understand which of the ceremonial laws I am to keep...
Remember there is a Sabbath of the land spoken of too.
search the Bible and ask for guidance.
The Ten Commandments are our way of showing our love and obedience, for myself it came from an inward feeling I had.
No one said I should do it, it was a feeling that came from within.
My heart changed and I seek to please Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah with my life.
It is by grace that I have been pardoned for my sins, and I resorted to show my love and appreciation for this by striving to do what Yahvah God says.
I never considered being more Holy, I only considered being obedient to my Yahvah God.
The only thing holy about it me is my Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
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Galatians 5:4-6
4) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5) For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing; nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Circumcision is one of the ritual laws in the Old Testament it was given to Abraham in Genesis 17. But Paul is telling us here. if we try to justified ourselves by the OT ceremonial law we are fallen from grace, now this does not mean you can lost your salvation; it does however mean you are one of the three bad grounds (ground representing people's heart) that the seed (the Word of God) fell upon(Luke 8:3-15). For God looks at the heart (I Samuel 16:6). For what does Luke say of the 4th seed;
But that on the good ground are they which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Luke 8:15
We also see that true faith works by LOVE (Galatians 5:4-6; I Corinthians 13:2; James 2:8-26). For the law is fulfilled by loving others as thyself (Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:11-14; John 13:34-35; Matthew 22:37-40).
But as to animal sacrifices, this is a great offence to God, for in Jesus our salvation is complete (Hebrews 10:14-18). For this would be to count the blood of the New Covenant an unholy thing (Hebrews 10:29).
We all know what the Commandments of Yahvah God are.
If you were not aware of Moses law you would think these two verse were against each other.
Now here is the covenant below, i will put my laws into their hearts..
Praise Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah
Here is a verse that references Moses law:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I am using these verses as reference please consider not that I am taking anything out of context.
If you were not aware of Moses law you would think these two verse were against each other.
Now here is the covenant below, i will put my laws into their hearts..
Praise Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah
Here is a verse that references Moses law:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I am using these verses as reference please consider not that I am taking anything out of context.
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So, I'm still confused...
loveme1, are you saying just follow the 10 commandments, the food laws, and no shopping on Saturdays? (sorry- Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, is that right?)
So when you say "the ceremonial law of Moses", you don't really mean the whole thing? Just the food and Sabbath laws?
I am really just trying to understand what would have to change in my life to be Holy (and though I appreciate your answer, it's still too vague for me!) I can read the Scripture and still not understand which of the ceremonial laws I am to keep...
loveme1, are you saying just follow the 10 commandments, the food laws, and no shopping on Saturdays? (sorry- Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, is that right?)
So when you say "the ceremonial law of Moses", you don't really mean the whole thing? Just the food and Sabbath laws?
I am really just trying to understand what would have to change in my life to be Holy (and though I appreciate your answer, it's still too vague for me!) I can read the Scripture and still not understand which of the ceremonial laws I am to keep...
I am forgiven through Yahshua the Messiah being my sin offering to Yahvah God.
I do not view it as list upon list, i view it as a guide to please Yahvah God.
I am forever grateful for my Salvation and will now walk in the way that pleases him.
I was disobedient, my life will be lived for him because i love him with all my heart and soul.