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But God did not create the Law as a bad thing for us. The Law was a school mater that brings us unto Christ. The Law was a necessary progression into leading people to Jesus. Because the Law exposes a person's evil ways and shows that they are a sinner in need of a Savior. For with Jesus, then they can actually obey from the law written in the heart when they are born again spiritualy. But the Law of God is not evil or bad in and of itself. Verse 12 says, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, and just, and good. Then Verse 13 says, "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. So the Law is not bad. It is in trying to justify yourself by the Law that is bad instead of justifying yourself by Jesus Christ and trusting in Him instead of a written code of rules. For if one has repented of their sins and accepted Christ, then obeying the moral law will be a natural by product of having a true walk with Jesus Christ.
The message in Romans 7-8 applies to both Jews and Gentiles because there is no difference between the Jews and Gentiles in Christ anymore. The message in Romans 7-8 is universal to both Jews and Gentiels because there are Gentiles today who seek to be justified by the Law of Moses (Obeying the Sabbath and certain rituals, etc.). The people Paul was talking to were Jewish Christians because they were the ones who knew the Law. It was his audience he had in mind. For they were the ones who were wrongfully trying to justify themselves by the Law.
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Ok...yes the law brought us to Christ, that's its purpose to make the whole world guilty and bring us to faith in Chirst...but what does the scriptures clearly teach?
Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Where does this "moral" ability come from? It cant come from mans ability to keep the law! Its must come from the Spirit of God in the heart of a believer. And that obedience is simplified in the word love.
So its not "thou shalt not steal" its thou shall love as I have loved you...Jesus
So its not "thou shalt not steal" its thou shall love as I have loved you...Jesus
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Paul is talking about the Ten Commandments...the law is not "broken" into parts!
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
It sound like your trying to deny that Paul is speaking of the "moral" law as you call it?
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
It sound like your trying to deny that Paul is speaking of the "moral" law as you call it?
You are right. The Law is not broken up into parts. The Law includes EVERYTHING. All 613 Commandments. Obviously we are not under the Law anymore because Jesus made many changes. He said turn the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye. God told Peter to eat unclean animals when it was against the OT Law. So yeah, the OT Law is not binding as an entire package anymore like it used to be.
But this does not do away with the Law of love in the New Testament (Which is taken from the Old), though. For I think you missed what I said before. Romans 13:8-9 says, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt no bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But this does not do away with the Law of love in the New Testament (Which is taken from the Old), though. For I think you missed what I said before. Romans 13:8-9 says, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt no bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
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Yes the new covenant for a born again believer is to walk in the Spirit and by the greatest fruit there of, and that being love. And be walking in love the believer will uphold the moral law of God, as Paul clearly said and showed.
It is not leagalism to state it this way, and defend and urge others to produce good works and to refrain from sins. For we were created to walk in good works, and to change our lives from how we previously walked.
Yes, love will lead one to obey the moral law as a natural by product... yes. But we need to make that point clear to people. Moral law is love. Moral law is not a set of rules. Moral law is obeyed because one has been changed spiritually by the love of Christ. I stress that the moral law is important to obey from the heart for the believer because it is very easy for people to get confused and think we can do evil and still be saved when one teaches on these matters. That is all. I am not suggesting a Works Based Salvation System. No, no. Most certainly not. A person can be saved right here and right now by God's grace without the deeds of the Law. No baptism. No Sabbath keeping. No speaking in tongues, etc.
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That is not necessarily correct as I showed Mitspa the other day how the Jews even put the laws into different sections/parts. Which is why we get the teaching now days of sacrificial, ceremonial, and the moral.
Those who do not see this have not learned how the Jews themselves did codex (section) the Mosaic laws. The moral is upheld by walking in love under the new covenant, as walking in love would not transgress any of them. Even like I said Paul clearly showed how obeying to love upholds the others.....
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I have always defended walking in love, and by obeying that command to love Him and others will a true born again believer natural uphold the 10 moral laws of God. As love will not transgress any one of them.
Lord Jesus and Paul both showed that love fulfills the law by upholding the moral aspect of it.
If a person claims they are born again yet they continue in sinning everyday, or show in their outer actions no fruit of the Spirit then they have a false belief or like I label it mere belief. The bible makes it clear a true faith will be an active faith.