Legalism empowers DEMONS in your life!

[Jeff_56]

just what is "IT" ? what is mstpa ??? it keeps repeating, keeps arguing in vain, apparently learns nothing ever, at all. --- just as if a computer was programmed to keep responding the same way with little variations to prompts.

love hopes for the best, but no sheep ever does that, unless it is very very sick/ deceived/ on it's back stuck.

get to the origin of mstpa.... just what is it at its beginning - real life? any life?
get to the origin of mstpa ... is it in a cult, thus supported in all it keeps posting in error,
or perhaps he is tied down in a chair with only a computer for contact with other people ?
and the
only value he thinks he can have or find is in or from what he is posting again and again and again without any hope ?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-my-sheep-am-known-mine-john-10-14-a.html#top

 

[Jason0047]

Its NOT binding by the legal code...its binding by the law of love. When a believer walks in the law of love, they don't look to take from others they look to give...They don't make idols of things in this worlds, God is their soul desire and focus.

Now can the law be a witness to love? Sure! Can the law help teach us the truths of walking in the Spirit? sure!

Besides you have a real problem that "thou shalt not covet" produces sinful lust to covet in the flesh of all who are under the law.

Again, I don't disagree.

 

[Mitspa]

just what is "IT" ? what is mstpa ??? it keeps repeating, keeps arguing in vain, apparently learns nothing ever, at all. --- just as if a computer was programmed to keep responding the same way with little variations to prompts.

love hopes for the best, but no sheep ever does that, unless it is very very sick/ deceived/ on it's back stuck.

get to the origin of mstpa.... just what is it at its beginning - real life? any life?
get to the origin of mstpa ... is it in a cult, thus supported in all it keeps posting in error,
or perhaps he is tied down in a chair with only a computer for contact with other people ?
and the
only value he thinks he can have or find is in or from what he is posting again and again and again without any hope ?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-my-sheep-am-known-mine-john-10-14-a.html#top

Dude...you been watching too many of those conspiracy videos on Youtube

 

[Jason0047]

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We establish the moral law. Romans 13 talks about how we when we love our neighbor, we fulfill the law of not coveting, stealing, etc. The OT Law as an entire package is no longer binding. For Jesus changed things. He said turn the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye. The Lord God told Peter in a vision to break the OT Law and eat unclean animals. Christians today are not seeking to rebuild the Temple to reinstitute the Temple sacrifices again (Which was a part of the Law).

 

[michael56]

It's quite simple. You have to accept Jesus died for all your sins at Calvary, past, present and future, for you have a righteousness before God APART from the law. Therefore, you cannot be condemned for your imperfections where the law is concerned, your shortfall of obedience cannot condemn you. Then sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace

 

[4enlightment]

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Romans 6:17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.

When a person obey the letter, their obedience isn't coming from the heart, they are just practicing it until they'd become accustom to it, but still they are heartless and uncaring souls. But if the letter are removed, then we be able to focus on what the laws are all about, because we aren't treated as someone that is a slave to sin, which make us independent thinkers that can think or questioned it for ourselves, to seek. But if it is a law, you cannot questioned or seek it, you just do it, because you are a slave, and you become thoughtless.

 

[Jason0047]

It's quite simple. You have to accept Jesus died for all your sins at Calvary, past, present and future, for you have a righteousness before God APART from the law. Therefore, you cannot be condemned for your imperfections where the law is concerned, your shortfall of obedience cannot condemn you. Then sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace

Now, this is a doctrine of demons. Saying that your future sin is forgiven and then not stressing how a true believer should be identified as living holy and fruitful for the Lord is telling people that they have a license to sin. Whether that was your intention or not, that is what is being taught when you say future sin is forgiven and then you don't say how a believer should be characterized as living righteously or holy before the Lord.

For God's people are good. They are not evil.

 

[Mitspa]

Legalism kills life. It destroys the marrow of Christianity. Rather than leading others to rest in the Person and work of Christ for their righteousness, legalism leads others to work to obtain their favored status with God. Oddly, the worst kind of legalism is that which finds its standard from the Bible. Whether it be the words of Christ, or the law of God, or an interpretation of a verse that leads to a demand for others to live a certain way, legalism that sounds like radical Christianity destroys.

The truth of grace is revolutionary. God's grace is given without measure to those who trust His Son. To the person who fails, the grace of God is sufficient. To the person who is weak, the grace of God is sufficient. To the person who lives life differently than I, the grace of God is sufficient.

Some might ask, "But is there not any standard to which God calls His people to live?"

Sure. He calls us to love others. To love those who are different. To love those who don't see eye to eye with me. To love those who fail to perform. "By this (love) all people will know that you are my disciples." Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.


Legalism pushes out love in Christian relationships, including an understanding of God's love for us. With all our might, we ought to fight legalism. We should see it as THE enemy. We should recognize it as the stealthy, deadly spiritual ninja who sneaks up on us when we think we are safe. The legalists were the only people upon whom Christ used His whip and drove them from His Father's house. There is no room for legalism among the people of God.

The best defense against deadly legalism is to contemplate the incarnation of God in Christ and His work for us at the cross. In those moments you begin to think that you must do something to prove the radical nature of your love for God, it would do you well to remember what Charles Spurgeon said of God's love for us:

"We could almost think that God loved us more than He loves his Son.”

Until Spurgeon's statement becomes part of the imbedded fabric of your mind you may be losing your battle with legalism.

 

[michael56]

Now, this is a doctrine of demons. Saying that your future sin is forgiven and then not stressing how a true believer should be identified as living holy and fruitful for the Lord is telling people that they have a license to sin. Whether that was your intention or not, that is what is being taught when you say future sin is forgiven and then you don't say how a believer should be characterized as living righteously or holy before the Lord.

The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin. If you live under the law the penalty for sin remains, if you live under grace the penalty has been removed. Hence

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace.

I say this sincerely, it is tragic you refer to the core message of the Apostle Paul as a doctrine of demons

 

[Jason0047]

The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin. If you live under the law the penalty for sin remains, if you live under grace the penalty has been removed. Hence

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace.

I say this sincerely, it is tragic you refer to the core message of the Apostle Paul as a doctrine of demons

Paul essentially said if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Godliness, they are proud and they know nothing. Your teaching so far leads people to think they can abide in unrepentant sin and still be saved. Thiis is dark, wrong, and evil and you know it. For God will not approve of His people in doing evil or in rebelling against Him.

 

[Mitspa]

Now, this is a doctrine of demons. Saying that your future sin is forgiven and then not stressing how a true believer should be identified as living holy and fruitful for the Lord is telling people that they have a license to sin. Whether that was your intention or not, that is what is being taught when you say future sin is forgiven and then you don't say how a believer should be characterized as living righteously or holy before the Lord.

For God's people are good. They are not evil.

Lets see what the bible defines as "doctrines of demons" shall we? Its legalism!

1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

 

[michael56]

Paul essentially said if any teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Godliness, they are proud and they know nothing.

Paul said the Christian has a righteousness before God APART FROM THE LAW. If you have a righteousness before God APART FROM works of the law(obedience to the law) what does that mean?
You have a righteousness before God that does not depend on you observing the law. What is the consequence of failing to obey the law? It is sin.
Therefore you have a righteousness before God that does not depend on your sin. The only way you can have that is if Jesus died for all your sins at Calvary, past, present and future. It is when you know that sin shall not be your master

THAT IS NOT A DOCTRINE OF DEMONS, BUT THE CORE GOSPEL MESSAGE OF PAUL

 

[Mitspa]

Paul essentially said if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Godliness, they are proud and they know nothing. Your teaching so far leads people to think they can abide in unrepentant sin and still be saved. Thiis is dark, wrong, and evil and you know it. For God will not approve of His people in doing evil or in rebelling against Him.

Paul said that legalism is not godliness, faith and love are! As far as how you see Gods forgiveness in Christ, seeing you think your still under the law, or bound to the law in some way? I doubt you can see the fullness of the forgiveness that we have in Christ?

Are you justified by faith one min and then a sinner the next?

 

[Jason0047]

Lets see what the bible defines as "doctrines of demons" shall we? Its legalism!

1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Yes, this is one end of the wrong spectrum concerning salvation. Works Salvation is just as evil as Antinomianism (Which is the other end of the spectrum). Paul says the false prophets were those who had eyes full of adultery and could not cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). Jude 1:4 NIV says there are ungodly people who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality. Jude 1:10 calls these types of false believers as "brute beasts." Beasts have been referred to as demons within the Bible. So I disagree. Those who hold to the idea that they can ignore God's moral law (Because future sin is forgiven them) are just as much being influenced by demons as those who think they can be justified by the Law of Moses or some kind of Works based system.

 

[michael56]

Yes, this is one end of the wrong spectrum concerning salvation. Works Salvation is just as evil as Antinomianism (Which is the other end of the spectrum). Paul says the false prophets were those who had eyes full of adultery and could not cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). Jude 1:4 NIV says there are ungodly people who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality. Jude 1:10 calls these types of false believers as "brute beasts." Beasts have been referred to as demons within the Bible. So I disagree. Those who hold to the idea that they can ignore God's moral law (Because future sin is forgiven them) are just as much being influenced by demons as those who think they can be justified by the Law of Moses or some kind of Works based system.

who has said people can ignore the law placed on their heart and written on their mind because their future sins are forgiven them, please show me the post

 

[Mitspa]

Yes, this is one end of the wrong spectrum concerning salvation. Works Salvation is just as evil as Antinomianism (Which is the other end of the spectrum). Paul says the false prophets were those who had eyes full of adultery and could not cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). Jude 1:4 NIV says there are ungodly people who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality. Jude 1:10 calls these types of false believers as brute beasts. Beasts have been referred to as demons within the Bible. So I disagree. Those who hold to the idea that they can ignore God's moral law (Because future sin is forgiven them) are just as much being influenced by demons as those who think they can be justified by the Law of Moses or some kind of Works based system.

Well what some call "antinomianism" is just what legalist call the gospel...because the gospel is deliverance from the law of Moses!

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[michael56]

Why do some Christians believe the penalty for sin must remain in place to encourage the Christian to obey?

Don't they want to obey out of love, only fear?

 

[Jason0047]

Paul said that legalism is not godliness, faith and love are! As far as how you see Gods forgiveness in Christ, seeing you think your still under the law, or bound to the law in some way? I doubt you can see the fullness of the forgiveness that we have in Christ?

Are you justified by faith one min and then a sinner the next?

I didn't say we are under the Law. I never said that. What I am saying is that when we love, we naturally will keep God's moral laws. We keep them because we have been changed by Jesus and he lives within us. As a matter of fact, Jesus does the good work in us. But if you believe for a second that you can teach contrary to the doctrine of Godliness then you are proud and you do not know anything (According to Paul). Look up the passage yourself. It's what the Bible says.

1 Timothy 6:3-4.

 

[VioletReigns]

It is not possible for the human mind to rationalise the fact that by Jesus dying for all your sins, past, present and future sin shall not be your master. Only the Holy Spirit can turn on the light

You have stated the profound truth of the whole matter, my brother.

 

[michael56]

I didn't say we are under the Law. I never said that. What I am saying is that when we love, we naturally will keep God's moral laws. We keep them because we have been changed by Jesus and he lives within us. As a matter of fact, Jesus does the good work in us. But if you believe for a second that you can teach contrary to the doctrine of Godliness then you are proud and you do not know anything (According to Paul). Look up the passage yourself. It's what the Bible says.

1 Timothy 6:3-4.

The only way the Christian cannot be under the law is if Jesus died for all their sins at Calvary, past, present and future