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Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
The beginning is referring to the beginning of the natural realm; the spiritual realm has no beginning or ending, it's just an eternal realm. Once we has come from out of our shell (flesh), God will take those that has His spiritual characteristics and the others that doesn't has His characteristics, He will cast them away from being in His presence which will leave them in misery.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
2 Corinthians 3:18
And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
Luke 1:19
The angel said to him, “I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news.
John 8:38
I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
Acts 2:28
You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
2 Thessalonians 1:9
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
Revelation 20:11
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Matthew 1:23
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
Matthew 9:15
Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
The beginning is referring to the beginning of the natural realm; the spiritual realm has no beginning or ending, it's just an eternal realm. Once we has come from out of our shell (flesh), God will take those that has His spiritual characteristics and the others that doesn't has His characteristics, He will cast them away from being in His presence which will leave them in misery.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
2 Corinthians 3:18
And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
Luke 1:19
The angel said to him, “I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news.
John 8:38
I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
Acts 2:28
You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
2 Thessalonians 1:9
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
Revelation 20:11
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Matthew 1:23
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
Matthew 9:15
Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
It is difficult making any sense of your gibberish spelled out in CAPS. However, this is what we have on record:
I wrote:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God = Jesus!
You then replied:
So Now We Have To Do Away With GOD ,And Have Jesus Standing ALONE,?
Yes I called you a heretic, you are on record as stating Jesus is not God.
Throughout the Old Testament God is also called the Lord. Deuteronomy 6:4 clearly tells us ... "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD:" Therefore, compare the following references:
The Lord God is the Creator. Isaiah 42:5.
The Lord Jesus is the Creator. John 1:3, 10.
The Lord God said, "I am He." Isaiah 43:10.
The Lord Jesus said, "I am He." John 8:24.
The Lord God is the only Saviour. Isaiah 43:10, 11.
The Lord Jesus is the Saviour. Titus 1:4.
The Lord God shall reign forever. Psalms. 146:10.
The Lord Jesus reign forever. Luke 1 :33.
The Lord God is the King of Israel. Isaiah 43:15.
The Lord Jesus is the King of Israel. Matt. 27:37.
The Lord God is the First and the Last. Isaiah 44:6.
The Lord Jesus is the First and the Last. Revelation 1:8.
The Lord God is Almighty. Genesis 17:1.
The Lord Jesus is Almighty. Revelation 1:8.
It is difficult making any sense of your gibberish spelled out in CAPS. However, this is what we have on record:
I wrote:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God = Jesus!
You then replied:
So Now We Have To Do Away With GOD ,And Have Jesus Standing ALONE,?
Yes I called you a heretic, you are on record as stating Jesus is not God.
Throughout the Old Testament God is also called the Lord. Deuteronomy 6:4 clearly tells us ... "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD:" Therefore, compare the following references:
The Lord God is the Creator. Isaiah 42:5.
The Lord Jesus is the Creator. John 1:3, 10.
The Lord God said, "I am He." Isaiah 43:10.
The Lord Jesus said, "I am He." John 8:24.
The Lord God is the only Saviour. Isaiah 43:10, 11.
The Lord Jesus is the Saviour. Titus 1:4.
The Lord God shall reign forever. Psalms. 146:10.
The Lord Jesus reign forever. Luke 1 :33.
The Lord God is the King of Israel. Isaiah 43:15.
The Lord Jesus is the King of Israel. Matt. 27:37.
The Lord God is the First and the Last. Isaiah 44:6.
The Lord Jesus is the First and the Last. Revelation 1:8.
The Lord God is Almighty. Genesis 17:1.
The Lord Jesus is Almighty. Revelation 1:8.
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
Hi Nick1939,
It would maybe help us all if you made your original OP a bit clearer as to what it is you are actually trying to communicate?
It raises all sorts of questions, what are you specifically trying to say?
Hi Nick1939,
It would maybe help us all if you made your original OP a bit clearer as to what it is you are actually trying to communicate?
It raises all sorts of questions, what are you specifically trying to say?
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Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
I cannot get past this ^. You're on an Internet forum and posting an absolute jumbled mash of scripture with some type of commentary sewn through it. And for everything you typed that precedes what's above, you close with this proud, puffed up statement that seems to leverage "eternal life"? What audacity? What an overstated use of caps lock. Choose the humble road my friend.
God Bless you...
I cannot get past this ^. You're on an Internet forum and posting an absolute jumbled mash of scripture with some type of commentary sewn through it. And for everything you typed that precedes what's above, you close with this proud, puffed up statement that seems to leverage "eternal life"? What audacity? What an overstated use of caps lock. Choose the humble road my friend.
God Bless you...
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
Do not confuse υἱὸς with τέκνον. υἱὸς - 'son' defines nature and function. τέκνον 'son' or 'offspring' refers to origin. Jesus in NEVER called the τέκνον of God. When you understand the meaning behind the word υἱὸς you see that Jesus is the eternal nature of God. He is never called the τέκνον or offspring of God.
Do not confuse υἱὸς with τέκνον. υἱὸς - 'son' defines nature and function. τέκνον 'son' or 'offspring' refers to origin. Jesus in NEVER called the τέκνον of God. When you understand the meaning behind the word υἱὸς you see that Jesus is the eternal nature of God. He is never called the τέκνον or offspring of God.
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
Nope, they are absolutely wrong on this subject. The One who became Christ is the Creator of all and His name mean the Eternal One.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Christ (the Word) was eternally alive in the past and is eternally live in the future. He is NOT a created being, He is and always has been El Shaddai, God Almighty.
Nope, they are absolutely wrong on this subject. The One who became Christ is the Creator of all and His name mean the Eternal One.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Christ (the Word) was eternally alive in the past and is eternally live in the future. He is NOT a created being, He is and always has been El Shaddai, God Almighty.
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Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
How come some of you don't get it?..i never said Jesus is not god; I say Jesus is not GOD THE FATHER, try to explain to me
heb 1:8-9.....that's all. as far as your accuzations ,I am sorry I never being to school.... God bless,,,,
It is better to strain out the camel and swallow gnat.....
How come some of you don't get it?..i never said Jesus is not god; I say Jesus is not GOD THE FATHER, try to explain to me
heb 1:8-9.....that's all. as far as your accuzations ,I am sorry I never being to school.... God bless,,,,
It is better to strain out the camel and swallow gnat.....
C
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
Nick, you seem to be stuck and holding on tightly to the use of the word 'son' and 'begotten' and ignoring all the other words used throughout the Bible.
Jesus was there from the beginning - we get that from John 1. All things were created by Jesus - John 1 again.
You cannot be there in the beginning, but have something happen before you were there - else you were not there at the beginning.
You cannot create everything, yet be created - for if you were created, then that means you did not create everything (whatever was before you then created everything).
Jesus is NOT God the Father, but that does not make Him less than God. As stated before "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." (Deut 6:4)
Also, you need to remember Jesus' role in terms of the earth.
To some degree, you can say that Jesus was created - but that can only be based on the fact that He was born of a woman. All humans were created by God, and so, when Christ became human, He was technically 'created' in the womb (David speaks of being created in the womb and of God fashioning him there in Psalm 139). This however, does not nullify His previous existence. Scripture is full of passages of Jesus being around before He walked with sinners here on earth (endtimes put a list of verses in earlier). Christ Himself also announces "...Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:5. John who baptized Him also declared Jesus to have existed before him "...He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me..." John 1:15.
So technically, you may say that Jesus was 'created' when he became man and walked among us, but He existed before then, as the alpha and omega, beginning and end.
He is also the first fruit in terms of the resurrection "But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him." 1 Cor 15:23. As through one mans sin, death entered the world, so through one man, shall life be given to those in that world. Christ is now a first fruit of the Grace of God and the power of the resurrection. And in Him, we are now called "brothers and sisters" (Heb 2:11). And so, by being brothers and sisters with Christ, we are all allowed to be heirs through Him to the Grace that is bestowed to all.
Remember, Christ came down to our level so that we could one day be lifted up to His. He was always there with God and was God (John 1), but came down and dwelt among us. He came from the Father, given to us as a way of Salvation (John 3:16 - for God so loved that He gave...).
You use Hebrews 1:6 as a reference. Lets look at that:
Hebrews 1:6 "And again, when he brings the first begotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him"
Christ is the FIRST human that lived on earth, lived a perfect life, and was raised to life through the power of the resurrection that overcomes death. As it was part of Gods plan to save us and allow us to overcome death (as Christ did), Jesus now becomes the first one to finish that race and now is the first human that God redeems, "then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back." (1 Cor 15:23)
The fact that Jesus is God only makes the mystery of His Love toward us so much more compelling!! The fact that He who knew no sin, became sin for me, blows me away!! But to think that the eternal one, left His mighty, holy and glorious throne to come down here to die, and feel separation from the Father who He had been connected to for all eternity for MY sinful soul breaks me down!! The heights and depth of His Love towards us knows no bounds!!
He would rather die, than live for eternity without us... what a mighty God we serve!!
Be blessed bud...
Nick, you seem to be stuck and holding on tightly to the use of the word 'son' and 'begotten' and ignoring all the other words used throughout the Bible.
Jesus was there from the beginning - we get that from John 1. All things were created by Jesus - John 1 again.
You cannot be there in the beginning, but have something happen before you were there - else you were not there at the beginning.
You cannot create everything, yet be created - for if you were created, then that means you did not create everything (whatever was before you then created everything).
Jesus is NOT God the Father, but that does not make Him less than God. As stated before "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." (Deut 6:4)
Also, you need to remember Jesus' role in terms of the earth.
To some degree, you can say that Jesus was created - but that can only be based on the fact that He was born of a woman. All humans were created by God, and so, when Christ became human, He was technically 'created' in the womb (David speaks of being created in the womb and of God fashioning him there in Psalm 139). This however, does not nullify His previous existence. Scripture is full of passages of Jesus being around before He walked with sinners here on earth (endtimes put a list of verses in earlier). Christ Himself also announces "...Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:5. John who baptized Him also declared Jesus to have existed before him "...He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me..." John 1:15.
So technically, you may say that Jesus was 'created' when he became man and walked among us, but He existed before then, as the alpha and omega, beginning and end.
He is also the first fruit in terms of the resurrection "But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him." 1 Cor 15:23. As through one mans sin, death entered the world, so through one man, shall life be given to those in that world. Christ is now a first fruit of the Grace of God and the power of the resurrection. And in Him, we are now called "brothers and sisters" (Heb 2:11). And so, by being brothers and sisters with Christ, we are all allowed to be heirs through Him to the Grace that is bestowed to all.
Remember, Christ came down to our level so that we could one day be lifted up to His. He was always there with God and was God (John 1), but came down and dwelt among us. He came from the Father, given to us as a way of Salvation (John 3:16 - for God so loved that He gave...).
You use Hebrews 1:6 as a reference. Lets look at that:
Hebrews 1:6 "And again, when he brings the first begotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him"
Christ is the FIRST human that lived on earth, lived a perfect life, and was raised to life through the power of the resurrection that overcomes death. As it was part of Gods plan to save us and allow us to overcome death (as Christ did), Jesus now becomes the first one to finish that race and now is the first human that God redeems, "then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back." (1 Cor 15:23)
The fact that Jesus is God only makes the mystery of His Love toward us so much more compelling!! The fact that He who knew no sin, became sin for me, blows me away!! But to think that the eternal one, left His mighty, holy and glorious throne to come down here to die, and feel separation from the Father who He had been connected to for all eternity for MY sinful soul breaks me down!! The heights and depth of His Love towards us knows no bounds!!
He would rather die, than live for eternity without us... what a mighty God we serve!!
Be blessed bud...
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
This is not what the H.S. says about Jesus as begotten in Acts 13. Every conclusion you have come to about this word is a contradiction of that text. Why can you not simply allow scripture to define its own use of language rather than trying to foist your definition onto the text? John 1 is very explicit in presenting Jesus as the eternal God.
This is not what the H.S. says about Jesus as begotten in Acts 13. Every conclusion you have come to about this word is a contradiction of that text. Why can you not simply allow scripture to define its own use of language rather than trying to foist your definition onto the text? John 1 is very explicit in presenting Jesus as the eternal God.
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
I agree with this conclusion by Old hermit....Jesus is the self existent one that has always been and will always be...He disrobed himself of the Glory that he had before the world began and took upon him the form of man in the flesh so as to experience humanity which included being tempted, tried and even tasting death for all.
I agree with this conclusion by Old hermit....Jesus is the self existent one that has always been and will always be...He disrobed himself of the Glory that he had before the world began and took upon him the form of man in the flesh so as to experience humanity which included being tempted, tried and even tasting death for all.
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Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
Why is a contradiction Don't The verse says heb 1:5 Unto which of the Angels said he at any time,thou art my son, this
day have I begotten thee? and again I will be to him a FATHER and he shall be to me A SON ?. is that a contradiction?
how so? Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever , Jesus never was the father ,nor is the father, nor will be
the FATHER,that is what the scriptures declare.1 cor 15:28 and when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall
the SON ALSO HIMSELF be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL. the scriptures
does not contradict themselves , man contradict themselves, I have to stay with the scriptures,i can't please men. istay
with col 1:15 Jesus First BORN of all creation...NOT GOD.... god bless....
Why is a contradiction Don't The verse says heb 1:5 Unto which of the Angels said he at any time,thou art my son, this
day have I begotten thee? and again I will be to him a FATHER and he shall be to me A SON ?. is that a contradiction?
how so? Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever , Jesus never was the father ,nor is the father, nor will be
the FATHER,that is what the scriptures declare.1 cor 15:28 and when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall
the SON ALSO HIMSELF be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL. the scriptures
does not contradict themselves , man contradict themselves, I have to stay with the scriptures,i can't please men. istay
with col 1:15 Jesus First BORN of all creation...NOT GOD.... god bless....
Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
This is from my teaching outline on Hebrews. I posted this on another thread but, perhaps this will help answer your question.
Hebrews 1:5 - Jesus is the SON of GOD. “You are My Son; today I have begotten you.” This is a quote from Psalms 2:7 which finds its fulfillment in Jesus. The Psalmist presents Jesus as God's appointed King whom he has installed upon the holy hill of Zion. Just as the Psalmist said, Jesus would be inaugurated to heaven's throne even in the midst of great resistance The nations conspire against him. The people plot in vain. The kings of earth and the rulers take their stand against the Lord's anointed but, with all their combined power they cannot rob Christ of his throne. The rejected him, scorned him, crucified him, and put him in a sealed tomb. In Acts 2:22-36 Peter binds the fact that Jesus is the heir of David's throne and that God has raised him, set him at his right hand, made him to rule over his enemies, and made him both Lord and Christ – Anointed ruler. He now stands as King over all king and Lord over all Lords, Revelation 19:16.
1. It is his designation as “SON” which distinguishes him from the angels.
a. SON – Υἱός – is most often used to define the nature, actions, or character of a person as in Mark 3:17 where Jesus calls James and John “sons - υἱοὶ - of thunder;” Not because they were literally the offsprings of a natural phenomenon but, because of their violent and explosive nature. In Matthew 23:15, Jesus calls the Pharisees the υἱοὶ of hell because their character reflected the nature of darkness. Jesus, who is the υἱὸν θεοῦ – Son of God, bears the same nature, action, and moral character of God.
b. Jesus is God, not only by nature but also by promise – 2 Samuel 7:14, by decree – Psalms 2:7, and by resurrection – Acts 13:33.
c. By nature, angels are creature, not creator. They were created by him and for his purposes, Colossians 1:16. They are HIS angels, 7.
2. He is “begotten” of God. “Today I have begotten you.”
a. “Today” is considered by many scholars and commentators to refer to what is called “the eternal generation of the Son" and his eternal sonship and cannot in any way speak of his humanity. Origen, believed that “today” is that timeless ever-present, eternal day which Christ inhabits. That since time has no boundries with God, it is thus always “today.” While Jesus is indeed the eternal self-existing One without beginning and without end, this is not the point made by the Hebrew writer in verse five. The context of verse five is not to establish the eternal existence of Jesus but to declare through the Psalmist the enthronement of Zion's King. “Today” does not speak of Jesus timeless, eternal existence but points to a definitive point in linear time. Verse five is not presenting Jesus as God in eternity but as man in his mediatorial role. A.W. Pink in his “Exposition of Hebrews” pp. 50-51 properly regards “today” as a fixed point in linear time but then misapplies the point of time. Pink points to the virgin birth as the “today” in which Jesus was called begotten. He then appeals to Luke 2:11 which reads “Unto you is born this day in the city of David a savior which is Christ the Lord.” But, as in all cases, it behooves us to allow scripture to interpret its own terminology. In Acts 13:31-38, Paul addresses the Jewish officials in the synagogue of Pisidian Antioch and shows that Jesus is the divinely appointed King who is David's heir to the throne. The fact that Jesus is raised from the dead is the fulfillment of Psalms 2:7, “Today I have begotten you.” So, “today,” according to Paul's inspired interpretation, refers not to Jesus' eternal sonship, not to his incarnation but, to his resurrection from the dead. “God has fulfilled this...in that he RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD as it also says in the second Psalm 'Today I have begotten you.'” If Paul confirms “today” as the specific point in time this renders all other interpretations to the contrary null and void. “Today,” in the context of Hebrew chapter one points to the four temporal indicators which overturn all other speculations about the understanding of the term “today.” After Jesus accomplished all these things by means of his death, burial, and resurrection, the declaration is made by the Father, “You are my Son, Today have I begotten you.”
b. “Begotten”- γεγέννηκά – a metaphor meaning to engender, to cause to rise. As we saw in our exposition of the word “today,” this refers to Jesus' resurrection from the dead. Jesus is not begotten by virtue of creation but by virtue of his victory over sin and death.
This is from my teaching outline on Hebrews. I posted this on another thread but, perhaps this will help answer your question.
Hebrews 1:5 - Jesus is the SON of GOD. “You are My Son; today I have begotten you.” This is a quote from Psalms 2:7 which finds its fulfillment in Jesus. The Psalmist presents Jesus as God's appointed King whom he has installed upon the holy hill of Zion. Just as the Psalmist said, Jesus would be inaugurated to heaven's throne even in the midst of great resistance The nations conspire against him. The people plot in vain. The kings of earth and the rulers take their stand against the Lord's anointed but, with all their combined power they cannot rob Christ of his throne. The rejected him, scorned him, crucified him, and put him in a sealed tomb. In Acts 2:22-36 Peter binds the fact that Jesus is the heir of David's throne and that God has raised him, set him at his right hand, made him to rule over his enemies, and made him both Lord and Christ – Anointed ruler. He now stands as King over all king and Lord over all Lords, Revelation 19:16.
1. It is his designation as “SON” which distinguishes him from the angels.
a. SON – Υἱός – is most often used to define the nature, actions, or character of a person as in Mark 3:17 where Jesus calls James and John “sons - υἱοὶ - of thunder;” Not because they were literally the offsprings of a natural phenomenon but, because of their violent and explosive nature. In Matthew 23:15, Jesus calls the Pharisees the υἱοὶ of hell because their character reflected the nature of darkness. Jesus, who is the υἱὸν θεοῦ – Son of God, bears the same nature, action, and moral character of God.
b. Jesus is God, not only by nature but also by promise – 2 Samuel 7:14, by decree – Psalms 2:7, and by resurrection – Acts 13:33.
c. By nature, angels are creature, not creator. They were created by him and for his purposes, Colossians 1:16. They are HIS angels, 7.
2. He is “begotten” of God. “Today I have begotten you.”
a. “Today” is considered by many scholars and commentators to refer to what is called “the eternal generation of the Son" and his eternal sonship and cannot in any way speak of his humanity. Origen, believed that “today” is that timeless ever-present, eternal day which Christ inhabits. That since time has no boundries with God, it is thus always “today.” While Jesus is indeed the eternal self-existing One without beginning and without end, this is not the point made by the Hebrew writer in verse five. The context of verse five is not to establish the eternal existence of Jesus but to declare through the Psalmist the enthronement of Zion's King. “Today” does not speak of Jesus timeless, eternal existence but points to a definitive point in linear time. Verse five is not presenting Jesus as God in eternity but as man in his mediatorial role. A.W. Pink in his “Exposition of Hebrews” pp. 50-51 properly regards “today” as a fixed point in linear time but then misapplies the point of time. Pink points to the virgin birth as the “today” in which Jesus was called begotten. He then appeals to Luke 2:11 which reads “Unto you is born this day in the city of David a savior which is Christ the Lord.” But, as in all cases, it behooves us to allow scripture to interpret its own terminology. In Acts 13:31-38, Paul addresses the Jewish officials in the synagogue of Pisidian Antioch and shows that Jesus is the divinely appointed King who is David's heir to the throne. The fact that Jesus is raised from the dead is the fulfillment of Psalms 2:7, “Today I have begotten you.” So, “today,” according to Paul's inspired interpretation, refers not to Jesus' eternal sonship, not to his incarnation but, to his resurrection from the dead. “God has fulfilled this...in that he RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD as it also says in the second Psalm 'Today I have begotten you.'” If Paul confirms “today” as the specific point in time this renders all other interpretations to the contrary null and void. “Today,” in the context of Hebrew chapter one points to the four temporal indicators which overturn all other speculations about the understanding of the term “today.” After Jesus accomplished all these things by means of his death, burial, and resurrection, the declaration is made by the Father, “You are my Son, Today have I begotten you.”
b. “Begotten”- γεγέννηκά – a metaphor meaning to engender, to cause to rise. As we saw in our exposition of the word “today,” this refers to Jesus' resurrection from the dead. Jesus is not begotten by virtue of creation but by virtue of his victory over sin and death.
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Re: LET " US " MAKE MAN<<< IN OUR IMAGE AfTER OUR LIKENESS, GEN 1:26...
you wrong again, col 1:15 I quoted before but you seam to avoid the answer, FIRST BORNE OF ALL CREATION , what all creation means to you, certainly does not mean,as a man in the flesh; your quote has nothing to do
with first born of all creation, sin over death and resurrection came at later point,that is for the redemption of men kind ..
you confusing the text ,acts 13:30 you well stated that God raised Jesus from the DEAD,thank you for the verification
can't you stay with that? instead trying to say that he that raised Jesus from the dead, was the same that was raised from the dead? you contradicting the issue ..I don't know where you stand in the scriptures,try mat 23:9-10, all scriptures must
agree who is the FATHER and who is the SON.... god bless.....
you wrong again, col 1:15 I quoted before but you seam to avoid the answer, FIRST BORNE OF ALL CREATION , what all creation means to you, certainly does not mean,as a man in the flesh; your quote has nothing to do
with first born of all creation, sin over death and resurrection came at later point,that is for the redemption of men kind ..
you confusing the text ,acts 13:30 you well stated that God raised Jesus from the DEAD,thank you for the verification
can't you stay with that? instead trying to say that he that raised Jesus from the dead, was the same that was raised from the dead? you contradicting the issue ..I don't know where you stand in the scriptures,try mat 23:9-10, all scriptures must
agree who is the FATHER and who is the SON.... god bless.....