Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake with"

[Preacher]

Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake with"

Since Acts 2:4-11 teaches that when men spoke in tongues (i.e., "as the Spirit gave the utterance"), they spoke actual, understandable human languages, is it possible that any other cases of tongue speaking were in languages which could not be understood (e.g., 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? reply.

 

[fredjames]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

Since Acts 2:4-11 teaches that when men spoke in tongues (i.e., "as the Spirit gave the utterance"), they spoke actual, understandable human languages, is it possible that any other cases of tongue speaking were in languages which could not be understood (e.g., 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? reply.

One is the 'tongues of humans' and another 'tongues of angels' (1Corinthians 13;1,beginning). These are only a 'sign' for 'unbelievers'. But they are edifying to oneself uttered in silence, having not the gift of 'interpretation' and they are edifying to the church only with 'interpreting' them, for everyone to understand it's meaning and at the end, the church say 'Amen' together and these are a 'sign' for a 'believer' (1 Corinthians 14;22 and 16).

While 'Prophesying' on the other hand 'built up' the church, unless one bring the church, some 'revelation' or 'knowledge' or 'prophecy' or 'teaching' (verse 4,end and 6,end).

GOD bless everyone in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Ssue]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

Since Acts 2:4-11 teaches that when men spoke in tongues (i.e., "as the Spirit gave the utterance"), they spoke actual, understandable human languages, is it possible that any other cases of tongue speaking were in languages which could not be understood (e.g., 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? reply.

As Jesus had promised, the Holy Spirit descended on the day of the Pentecost. On that occasion about 120 people were filled with the Holy Spirit at the same time and began to speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2:4). What was it that happened for the first time when the Holy Spirit came? It was speaking in tongues. The gift of speaking in tongues is not manifested gradually over the course of a person’s faith life after having received the Holy Spirit; it is given as soon as he receives the Holy Spirit and is the very first sign.[FONT="맑은 고딕"][/FONT]

Jesus never said, “You will start speaking in tongues at the same time as receiving the Holy Spirit.” The disciples were not aware that they would be speaking in tongues. However, Jesus had said, “At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you” (John 14:20). He meant that the disciples themselves would know of this the moment they receive the Holy Spirit. And His word was exactly right. Every one of the 120 disciples began speaking in tongues the moment they received the Holy Spirit. Although Jesus had never said, “You will speak in tongues upon receiving the Holy Spirit,” all the disciples gathered in Mark’s upper room began to speak in tongues automatically.[FONT="맑은 고딕"][/FONT]

Many Christians today consider it unnecessary to speak in tongues. Of course, speaking in tongues does not aid
in living our lives in this world. However, it is not to man that one speaks in tongues in the first place. First Corinthians 14:2 says, “For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.” There is no one apart from God who can understand speaking in tongues. God has granted us this gift, for He was determined not to leave our spirits neglected but to listen to the mysteries spoken from our spirits.[FONT="맑은 고딕"][/FONT]

If anyone wishes for God to be with him until the end of the world, he must have God listen to his spirit’s
concerns. We should not disdain the gift of speaking in tongues simply because we cannot understand it. It is a prayer that God hears. Be it so that a person does not speak in tongues; yet if he hinders another from speaking, he will never be forgiven as he is directly opposing God and blaspheming against the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:31-32).[FONT="맑은 고딕"][/FONT]

Actually, there were interference and opposition towards the gift of speaking in tongues from the first day the Holy Spirit had come. The people at the time said that those speaking in tongues were drunk on new wine (Acts 2:13). Even Apostle Paul said that if the unbelievers saw the whole church speaking with tongues, they would
think that they are out of their minds (1 Cor. 14:23). Nevertheless, everyone who believed in Jesus received the Holy Spirit during the days of the early church. Instead it was considered strange if a believer had not received the Holy Spirit even after receiving baptism. Therefore, the Apostles went wherever there were believers, even to foreign countries so that they would receive the Holy Spirit. And regardless of where it was, whoever received the Holy Spirit also began speaking in tongues automatically.[FONT="맑은 고딕"][/FONT][FONT=굴림]

-extracted from overseer Sung Hyun Kim's sermon on June 8, 2014 [/FONT]

 

[birdie]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake with"

Since Acts 2:4-11 teaches that when men spoke in tongues (i.e., "as the Spirit gave the utterance"), they spoke actual, understandable human languages, is it possible that any other cases of tongue speaking were in languages which could not be understood (e.g., 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in anunknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? reply.​

The word 'prophesy' in the Bible is a parable word meaning to share the gospel in a way that it is understood by the listeners. That is why we are to strive to prophesy rather than speak in tongues. We prefer to have people understand and so receive the gospel. 'Speaking in unknown tongues' does not mean that you speak in a weird-sounding language supposedly from heaven. Rather, speaking in unknown tongues means that you are sharing the gospel but the listeners do not understand what is being spoken because they are not born again. In other words, they do not receive the gospel. If a believer shares the gospel in this manner, they only edify themselves, not others. The whole emphasis on speaking is whether a person has a new spirit to receive the gospel. The Pentecost experience in Acts is a situation in which parable language is used a lot. People that have just been converted are said to speak with 'other tongues'. That means that they have a new spirit now and they are sharing from that spirit rather than from the old. They are speaking in whatever their normal language is. If they had grown up speaking English, that's what they would be speaking, but the Bible lists some of the languages used. Jews were there who heard them. This is parable language for any true believer ( a Jew is not outward ultimately but inward). The true believers heard them speaking the gospel and that means they heard them in the sense that they received the message of the gospel because they too were believers. If the Jews had spoken in English, they would have understood the gospel that other English-speaking converts were sharing. In fact, the Pentecostal denomination is a bad name to use for the event of sharing the supposedly heavenly language that sounds like babbling used in that denomination because on the day of Pentecost there were no weird languages, only regular languages from different countries that were used and understood, as speaking the gospel. To use the phrase 'tongues of angels' just means people sharing about God who are born again. Angels is a Bible word that means 'messengers' and people that are born again are God's messengers.

 

[fredjames]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

As Jesus had promised, the Holy Spirit descended on the day of the Pentecost. On that occasion about 120 people were filled with the Holy Spirit at the same time and began to speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2:4). What was it that happened for the first time when the Holy Spirit came? It was speaking in tongues. The gift of speaking in tongues is not manifested gradually over the course of a person’s faith life after having received the Holy Spirit; it is given as soon as he receives the Holy Spirit and is the very first sign.

Jesus never said, “You will start speaking in tongues at the same time as receiving the Holy Spirit.” The disciples were not aware that they would be speaking in tongues. However, Jesus had said, “At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you” (John 14:20). He meant that the disciples themselves would know of this the moment they receive the Holy Spirit. And His word was exactly right. Every one of the 120 disciples began speaking in tongues the moment they received the Holy Spirit. Although Jesus had never said, “You will speak in tongues upon receiving the Holy Spirit,” all the disciples gathered in Mark’s upper room began to speak in tongues automatically.

Many Christians today consider it unnecessary to speak in tongues. Of course, speaking in tongues does not aid
in living our lives in this world. However, it is not to man that one speaks in tongues in the first place. First Corinthians 14:2 says, “For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.” There is no one apart from God who can understand speaking in tongues. God has granted us this gift, for He was determined not to leave our spirits neglected but to listen to the mysteries spoken from our spirits.

If anyone wishes for God to be with him until the end of the world, he must have God listen to his spirit’s
concerns. We should not disdain the gift of speaking in tongues simply because we cannot understand it. It is a prayer that God hears. Be it so that a person does not speak in tongues; yet if he hinders another from speaking, he will never be forgiven as he is directly opposing God and blaspheming against the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:31-32).

Actually, there were interference and opposition towards the gift of speaking in tongues from the first day the Holy Spirit had come. The people at the time said that those speaking in tongues were drunk on new wine (Acts 2:13). Even Apostle Paul said that if the unbelievers saw the whole church speaking with tongues, they would
think that they are out of their minds (1 Cor. 14:23). Nevertheless, everyone who believed in Jesus received the Holy Spirit during the days of the early church. Instead it was considered strange if a believer had not received the Holy Spirit even after receiving baptism. Therefore, the Apostles went wherever there were believers, even to foreign countries so that they would receive the Holy Spirit. And regardless of where it was, whoever received the Holy Spirit also began speaking in tongues automatically.[FONT=굴림]

-extracted from overseer Sung Hyun Kim's sermon on June 8, 2014 [/FONT]

Please read 1 Corinthians chapter 12 in 'context'. GOD's Word questions towards the end of the chapter;

"Do all speak in tongues?".

The gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT is 'distributed' to all members of the church. Speaking in tongues is only one of the 'gifts'.

Please answer also these two questions, in you reply back to me and they are as follow:

1. Can you speak in tongues?

2. Can you 'interpret' all that you speak?

3. Why do you say speaking in tongues doesn't aid?

Thank you and GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[SeaBass]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

Since Acts 2:4-11 teaches that when men spoke in tongues (i.e., "as the Spirit gave the utterance"), they spoke actual, understandable human languages, is it possible that any other cases of tongue speaking were in languages which could not be understood (e.g., 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? reply.

in 1 Cor 14 the word 'unknown' was added by translators, not in the original text. Read the text again leaving out the word 'unknown'. Miraculous tongues speaking in Corinth was no different than Acts 2 with the apostles in speaking in known earthly languages.

Miraculous tongue speaking was when a person was miraculously enabled to speak in an earthly language he previously had not known or studied. I believe the translators added the word 'unknown' in 1 Cor 14 to show that the language being spoken was previously 'unknown' by the speaker. I do not know the Russian language but if I were miraculously endowed to suddenly speak and understand it then I would be speaking/understanding a language that was previously "unknown" to me.

 

[fredjames]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

in 1 Cor 14 the word 'unknown' was added by translators, not in the original text. Read the text again leaving out the word 'unknown'. Miraculous tongues speaking in Corinth was no different than Acts 2 with the apostles in speaking in known earthly languages.

Miraculous tongue speaking was when a person was miraculously enabled to speak in an earthly language he previously had not known or studied. I believe the translators added the word 'unknown' in 1 Cor 14 to show that the language being spoken was previously 'unknown' by the speaker. I do not know the Russian language but if I were miraculously endowed to suddenly speak and understand it then I would be speaking/understanding a language that was previously "unknown" to me.

The 'tongues' of angels in 'interceding' with GOD and not men is not written there?

Is that not enough of one of the 'miraculous tongues' for you?

What are you 'babbling' about 'translators' and 'addition', when you have forgotten the HOLY SPIRIT who have guided them.

1 Corinthians 13;1 beginning, says, 'tongues of men and angels', and they are indeed 'miraculous tongues', one is for 'edifying' the church with 'interpretation and a 'sign' for 'believers' and the other are earthly language, one's mother tongue, a 'sign' for unbelievers.

Change of 'words' does not change 'meaning' and 'understanding' to a taught spiritual person about the HOLY BIBLE. Sadly only you and people like you in partial Kingdom knowledge, have missed out on 'sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge of the written HOLY BIBLE' and went after men's doctrine.

 

[tribesman]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

...The gift of speaking in tongues is not manifested gradually over the course of a person’s faith life after having received the Holy Spirit; it is given as soon as he receives the Holy Spirit and is the very first sign...

...There is no one apart from God who can understand speaking in tongues. God has granted us this gift, for He was determined not to leave our spirits neglected but to listen to the mysteries spoken from our spirits.

If anyone wishes for God to be with him until the end of the world, he must have God listen to his spirit’s
concerns. We should not disdain the gift of speaking in tongues simply because we cannot understand it. It is a prayer that God hears. Be it so that a person does not speak in tongues; yet if he hinders another from speaking, he will never be forgiven as he is directly opposing God and blaspheming against the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:31-32).

Wow. Does this need to be commented on?

 

[psychomom]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

Wow. Does this need to be commented on?

i believe it just was.

 

[tribesman]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

i believe it just was.

Them cults prop up here at CC these days. The old broom needs to be taken out again me thinks.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

... The gift of speaking in tongues is not manifested gradually over the course of a person’s faith life after having received the Holy Spirit; it is given as soon as he receives the Holy Spirit and is the very first sign.[FONT=굴림][/FONT]

... another thread not to darken the door of again ...

 

[SeaBass]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

The 'tongues' of angels in 'interceding' with GOD and not men is not written there?

Is that not enough of one of the 'miraculous tongues' for you?

What are you 'babbling' about 'translators' and 'addition', when you have forgotten the HOLY SPIRIT who have guided them.

1 Corinthians 13;1 beginning, says, 'tongues of men and angels', and they are indeed 'miraculous tongues', one is for 'edifying' the church with 'interpretation and a 'sign' for 'believers' and the other are earthly language, one's mother tongue, a 'sign' for unbelievers.

Change of 'words' does not change 'meaning' and 'understanding' to a taught spiritual person about the HOLY BIBLE. Sadly only you and people like you in partial Kingdom knowledge, have missed out on 'sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge of the written HOLY BIBLE' and went after men's doctrine.

The translators of the KJV (or any version) were not inspired or guided by the Holy Spirit.

Nothing in the context proves that angels speak in unintelligible language. In the bible where angels are speaking, they are speaking in languages men understand. Paul is also employing a figure of speech, a hyperbole in 1 Cor 13:1.

 

[Ssue]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

Please read 1 Corinthians chapter 12 in 'context'. GOD's Word questions towards the end of the chapter;

"Do all speak in tongues?".

The gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT is 'distributed' to all members of the church. Speaking in tongues is only one of the 'gifts'.

Please answer also these two questions, in you reply back to me and they are as follow:

Regarding the first part,
Yes, 1 Corinthians chapter 12 says the Holy Spirit distributes the gift to each one.

There were already prophecies, miracles, healings, teachings, and casting out demons before the disciples received the Holy Spirit. However, speaking in tongues started only after the Holy Spirit had come on the day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:4) Cornelius and his family received the Holy Spirit while they were listening to the word of God. People around them knew that they had received the Holy Spirit because they started to speak in tongues during Peter’s message. (Acts 10:46) Ephesus received the Holy Spirit when Paul prayed for them. People who were present knew this because they spoke in tongues. (Acts 19:6-7)

Speaking in tongues is not mandatory; however, everyone who received the Holy Spirit can speak in tongues and it is useful for his spirit because it is praying with the spirit.

For the second part, below are answers.

1. Yes
2. No
3. I would like to mention that the original phrase was “speaking in tongues doesn't aid in living our lives in this world”.
I say speak in tongues because it is useful for my spirit, as 1 Corinthians 14: 2 says.

Is it clear now? Thanks.

I would like to add I am not a fluent English speaker, so please understand this.

 

[fredjames]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

The translators of the KJV (or any version) were not inspired or guided by the Holy Spirit.

Nothing in the context proves that angels speak in unintelligible language. In the bible where angels are speaking, they are speaking in languages men understand. Paul is also employing a figure of speech, a hyperbole in 1 Cor 13:1.

That is your own 'interpretation', and i'm not able to help you in service. That 'figure of speech' is also HOLY BIBLE believing 'faith' one must 'abide'.

 

[notuptome]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

There are no angelic tongues as Paul was using hyperbole to make his point to a church that was out of control over the matter of tongues.

Speaking to God in a tongue you do not comprehend is inane.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[fredjames]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

There are no angelic tongues as Paul was using hyperbole to make his point to a church that was out of control over the matter of tongues.

Speaking to God in a tongue you do not comprehend is inane.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You can keep your men's 'terminology' to your partial 'self/carnal/flesh' living and understanding. This are Heavenly and Spiritual and 'hidden' from the wise and prudent like yous and shown to ordinary people simple like a child, 'as it is written'.

People like you forget the HOLY SPIRIT and consider the doctrine of men higher and enslaved to them also partially. Yous have not spent time with the HOLY SPIRIT in 'context' 1 Corinthians chapter 12 to chapter 14 and receive revelation and understanding within them.

How do angels worship GOD in Heaven and in what language?

Didn't JESUS say in the Gospel;

"...................................................... You will be all 'like angels', worshiping GOD day and night."

Therefore what language do some Kingdom gifted people in 'tongues' of interceding with GOD use, when gathered together with gifted others in other gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT, as the church/body of CHRIST and also in 'interpretation' to them, in order to 'edify' benefiting the whole church, upon understanding altogether the meanings and say together, Amen, and not only 'edifying' oneself, uttering without 'interpretation', need to be done quietly within their own hearts, between GOD and themselves.

 

[SarahM777]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

The 'tongues' of angels in 'interceding' with GOD and not men is not written there?

Is that not enough of one of the 'miraculous tongues' for you?

What are you 'babbling' about 'translators' and 'addition', when you have forgotten the HOLY SPIRIT who have guided them.

1 Corinthians 13;1 beginning, says, 'tongues of men and angels', and they are indeed 'miraculous tongues', one is for 'edifying' the church with 'interpretation and a 'sign' for 'believers' and the other are earthly language, one's mother tongue, a 'sign' for unbelievers.

Change of 'words' does not change 'meaning' and 'understanding' to a taught spiritual person about the HOLY BIBLE. Sadly only you and people like you in partial Kingdom knowledge, have missed out on 'sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge of the written HOLY BIBLE' and went after men's doctrine.

You do realize that Paul's point is NOT about the gifts but about LOVE.

1 Corinthians 13

If I speak in the tongues[SUP][a][/SUP] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[SUP][b][/SUP] but do not have love, I gain nothing. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. [SUP]5 [/SUP]It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

If one has the "gifts" without LOVE they are MEANINGLESS.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

The word 'prophesy' in the Bible is a parable word meaning to share the gospel in a way that it is understood by the listeners. That is why we are to strive to prophesy rather than speak in tongues. We prefer to have people understand and so receive the gospel. 'Speaking in unknown tongues' does not mean that you speak in a weird-sounding language supposedly from heaven. Rather, speaking in unknown tongues means that you are sharing the gospel but the listeners do not understand what is being spoken because they are not born again. In other words, they do not receive the gospel. If a believer shares the gospel in this manner, they only edify themselves, not others. The whole emphasis on speaking is whether a person has a new spirit to receive the gospel. The Pentecost experience in Acts is a situation in which parable language is used a lot. People that have just been converted are said to speak with 'other tongues'. That means that they have a new spirit now and they are sharing from that spirit rather than from the old. They are speaking in whatever their normal language is. If they had grown up speaking English, that's what they would be speaking, but the Bible lists some of the languages used. Jews were there who heard them. This is parable language for any true believer ( a Jew is not outward ultimately but inward). The true believers heard them speaking the gospel and that means they heard them in the sense that they received the message of the gospel because they too were believers. If the Jews had spoken in English, they would have understood the gospel that other English-speaking converts were sharing. In fact, the Pentecostal denomination is a bad name to use for the event of sharing the supposedly heavenly language that sounds like babbling used in that denomination because on the day of Pentecost there were no weird languages, only regular languages from different countries that were used and understood, as speaking the gospel. To use the phrase 'tongues of angels' just means people sharing about God who are born again. Angels is a Bible word that means 'messengers' and people that are born again are God's messengers.

The Bible states very clearly the prophesying is not sharing the gospel.

1 Cor 14.3 says:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

 

[Jimbone]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

I never see this scripture when discussing this topic and I find it very clear on this matter.

1 COR 14:27-33

27If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 28but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. 29Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. 30But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. 31For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; 32and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; 33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

 

[notuptome]

Re: Let's DISCUSS Acts 2:4-11 "the Spirit gave the utterance",Act 19:6 "they spake wi

You can keep your men's 'terminology' to your partial 'self/carnal/flesh' living and understanding. This are Heavenly and Spiritual and 'hidden' from the wise and prudent like yous and shown to ordinary people simple like a child, 'as it is written'.

People like you forget the HOLY SPIRIT and consider the doctrine of men higher and enslaved to them also partially. Yous have not spent time with the HOLY SPIRIT in 'context' 1 Corinthians chapter 12 to chapter 14 and receive revelation and understanding within them.

How do angels worship GOD in Heaven and in what language?

Didn't JESUS say in the Gospel;

"...................................................... You will be all 'like angels', worshiping GOD day and night."

Therefore what language do some Kingdom gifted people in 'tongues' of interceding with GOD use, when gathered together with gifted others in other gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT, as the church/body of CHRIST and also in 'interpretation' to them, in order to 'edify' benefiting the whole church, upon understanding altogether the meanings and say together, Amen, and not only 'edifying' oneself, uttering without 'interpretation', need to be done quietly within their own hearts, between GOD and themselves.

Pure fantasy and wholly based on supposition. Tongues ended and you will not heed the scriptures.

Tell men when did it become fashionable to distain the scriptures and exalt the fantasies of men's imaginations?

For the cause of Christ
Roger