LGBT

[believeume]

This is what I think.

Whomsoever judges another, will be judged by God.

This isn't our home, so why try to fix people that live in this world?

I do not believe that any sin mentioned in the Bible is more sinful than another sin. But wicked people with malice in their heart nit pick God's Word and go on to persecute other..... Exactly The opposite of what Christ teaches, which is....."Love one another as I have loved you"....."For the same measure you judge, so too, will you be judged "

Well the wicked know no other way, since they're not with God.

 

[garee]

Makes a person wonder about the verse that asks us ; when He does come will Christ find faith or a worn out religious book that has lost its integrity to give the moral law of God and therefore the living abiding law of God cannot quicken the soul of men giving us simply ones His understanding.

LGBT is simply a pictrue of the wrath of God being revealed from heaven. It is of the pleasures of sin that go against God’s intended design which was through man and the differences between a woman used to represent the church and her husband, man represented as the invisible head , Christ. . The marriage picture is losing its ability to point to the gospel

Flaunting sin, parading it around by celebrating openly the glory of lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh as to its goal of false pride of what was once done in the closets in the name of free will and now openly preaching freedom from that previous moral law. It is done in the name of civic law. And therefore for the mere pleasure of it in a hope of a like orthodox approval in that there is no moral God and therefore no trespass. .

It has become popular in many circles. At the fall of any nation or government moral decline is at the forefront leading to things like LGBT .It is what many people don’t learn about history. History repeats itself in the name of the god of.... if it feels good........ do it.

It would be the goal of the god of this world to put no difference between man and woman just as he did in the garden and went after the weaker vessel . This is as if they already had the already received the promised new incorruptible bodies as to what we will be which will be neither male nor female. A form of LGBT.( gender neutral, no discrimination)

I think it the idea of destroying the moral values by refusing to discriminate between the two genders is form of Gnosticism, as if some had received new revelations from God informing as if they have already in their bodies , the new order. As goods increase so do those who consume them .I think next on the agenda is the legalization of beastiology. Where the animal kind, become one with human kind. Which is needed to keep forming their evolution ideas.

 

[eph610]

Makes a person wonder about the verse that asks us ; when He does come will Christ find faith or a worn out religious book that has lost its integrity to give the moral law of God and therefore the living abiding law of God cannot quicken the soul of men giving us simply ones His understanding.

LGBT is simply a pictrue of the wrath of God being revealed from heaven. It is of the pleasures of sin that go against God’s intended design which was through man and the differences between a woman used to represent the church and her husband, man represented as the invisible head , Christ. . The marriage picture is losing its ability to point to the gospel

Flaunting sin, parading it around by celebrating openly the glory of lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh as to its goal of false pride of what was once done in the closets in the name of free will and now openly preaching freedom from that previous moral law. It is done in the name of civic law. And therefore for the mere pleasure of it in a hope of a like orthodox approval in that there is no moral God and therefore no trespass. .

It has become popular in many circles. At the fall of any nation or government moral decline is at the forefront leading to things like LGBT .It is what many people don’t learn about history. History repeats itself in the name of the god of.... if it feels good........ do it.

It would be the goal of the god of this world to put no difference between man and woman just as he did in the garden and went after the weaker vessel . This is as if they already had the already received the promised new incorruptible bodies as to what we will be which will be neither male nor female. A form of LGBT.( gender neutral, no discrimination)

I think it the idea of destroying the moral values by refusing to discriminate between the two genders is form of Gnosticism, as if some had received new revelations from God informing as if they have already in their bodies , the new order. As goods increase so do those who consume them .I think next on the agenda is the legalization of beastiology. Where the animal kind, become one with human kind. Which is needed to keep forming their evolution ideas.

seems to me that everything you see is the wrath or judgement of God....

 

[Elisabet]

I know that, but God didnt like it. Thats reason why there's Sodom and Gomora. Its not about they rights but i just won't them die and go to hell.

We still have to uphold their rights, i guess. How can we show them the love of God if we don't start treating people the way they deserve to be treated? Sure, they are sinners and they need to repent. But remember, once we were all sinners. And then we were given salvation, and we accept it. Why? Because we believe that it is a good thing.
Now, if these LGBT people see that people who have been saved don't even care about their rights, they don't respect LGBT community, and they don't even try to make them feel accepted, how can we expect them to believe that Christianity is a good thing? How can we expect them to repent if they don't see any good things in people that have "repented"? This is why, we have to respect them because they are also human beings, but not support them because they are against the law of Christianity. I guess that's it.

 

[Elisabet]

Love the sinner by hating the sin.

Favourite quote ever (+ a very hard thing to do)

 

[missy2014]

Dont give in to the devils schemes he wants you to be deceived into thinking oh but some of their 'rights' are good
No homesexuality is disgusting God it makes him vomit the fact you arent fased by this scares me cause that scares me
I would personally know of that I was not a practising one I didnt have a partner or anything
it was more a bad experience being tormented by an evil spirit. I scared of who I became now in light of his amazing grace and holiness. Youve been set free into salvation, reedemption and now you mock
his Cross and Holy Word because you feel these loved yes but still evil people have sinful rights. They dont care about
God's holiness and his Word . Dont tell me you understand God's amazing grace if you dont understand his holiness.
I and you ARE an example of amazing grace but dont forget THEY NEED TO REPENT LIKE WE DO .
The best thing to do is what your terrified of doing telling they need to repent and the hope and joy
of being cleansed healed saved and forgiven. Tell them the gospel and when you met them in heaven
whos going to be happy to see you? THEM

 

[bikerchaz]

This is what I think.

Whomsoever judges another, will be judged by God.

This isn't our home, so why try to fix people that live in this world?

I do not believe that any sin mentioned in the Bible is more sinful than another sin. But wicked people with malice in their heart nit pick God's Word and go on to persecute other..... Exactly The opposite of what Christ teaches, which is....."Love one another as I have loved you"....."For the same measure you judge, so too, will you be judged "

Having read through this I am going with this answer. If the problem is with friends then introduce them to Jesus. If the problem is closer to home then go to Jesus. We are told to love and that is all. We are not told to condemn any one, we are not told to stand shout embarrass or trouble anyone. We are told to love without counting the cost.

The cost of this love is to 'be defrauded', to be 'hit again on the other cheek', to 'be made use of' to be 'robbed' and 'persecuted' and in loving we show Jesus, when these things happen to us we forgive and love. There is no other way of living but showing the love of Jesus to all we meet. The sin its self we are to hate but not the person. We are not to go near sexual impropriety, we are not to even hint at it. Those who do such things are dead to God or they would not do them. When we come across it we are not to shout and cause a fuss, we lead them to know Jesus died for them as He died for us.

He, Jesus will take care of their heart. Jesus will lead them into righteousness. Jesus through the word, His word, will talk directly to their hearts and do what ever is necessary for them to change. Once they have accepted Christ we become facilitators for them. This is where the commission from Jesus starts, "teaching men obedience" to His teachings. Jesus does the work and we are there to love and uphold as we are led by the Spirit of God.

Everything comes down to relationship with Jesus. If anyone professes to know Jesus and lives contrary to the word then Jesus is not in them. Where Jesus is, is the fruit of the Spirit, Love.

 

[Zmouth]

FYI, "nature" doesn't DO anything.

Of course nature doesn't DO anything, that is why it is written:

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." Ps 19:1

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" 1 Cor 11:14

 

[TMS]

Sin = death,
what is sin?
As soon as i say law and commandments and talk about any old testament laws people jump on the grace wagon or say we are in the time of grace today so we don't need to worry about the law anymore, the law was done away with.....

But with this subject, it is OK to say it's sinful according to the law to be LGBT, and God hates this sin, where is the grace?
Should we keep the law or not?

If sin holds us out of Heaven then who can enter?

If we know it is wrong (by the law and word of God), grace isn't there for us to willingly continue in sin. Grace is there for us when we repent (truly sorry and give it up), The be Gay (LGBT) is no different from any other sin, any sin = death big or small and Jesus paid for all. With the power of the Spirit every sin can be given up and Christ's righteousness will cover any past mistake.

If you are LGBT don't give up, pray that God changes you because you can't change yourself. With God all things are possible, surrender your heart to God and allow Him to transform you.

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
Mar_10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

 

[believeume]

Favourite quote ever (+ a very hard thing to do)

You have to give up the world to love a sinner of the world.

Not easy, no.

 

[believeume]

Of course nature doesn't DO anything, that is why it is written:

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." Ps 19:1

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" 1 Cor 11:14

"Go to the ant you slugged"

That's another one.

 

[garee]

seems to me that everything you see is the wrath or judgement of God....

Did you mean the wrath that is be revealed from heaven seen in the ideas like LGBT or same sex marriage as to what God in the end of the matter sends a strong delusion to so they believe the lie , today, or are you speaking of the end judgment?

 

[garee]

Of course nature doesn't DO anything, that is why it is written:

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." Ps 19:1

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" 1 Cor 11:14

Yes that hair "uncovering" for the man, and "covering" for the woman law has all but perished .In a few places they still honor that ceremonial law. Many sect have held unto the other half of that law with the eating of bread and drinking the blood of grapes in anticipation of the wedding supper in the new heavens and earth when the marriage will be consummated..

Many dismissed it for a out of date fashion statement making to no effect losing a beautiful ordinance..

 

[Utah]

Respecting their humanity, yes. But we shouldn't respect their evil agenda to destroy the family unit and society as a whole.

Fantastic post!

 

[eph610]

Did you mean the wrath that is be revealed from heaven seen in the ideas like LGBT or same sex marriage as to what God in the end of the matter sends a strong delusion to so they believe the lie , today, or are you speaking of the end judgment?

No it seems you are always saying everything in the Bible point's to God's wrath or that he is actively judging people now...

and both are wrong...

 

[garee]

No it seems you are always saying everything in the Bible point's to God's wrath or that he is actively judging people now...

and both are wrong...

So then are you saying His wrath is not being revealed from heaven and there is no moral law and therefore no trespass?

When was His wrath first no longer being revealed ?

Is the bible set against us as a judge so that we do not sin?

It would seem to me His wrath is still be inf revealed?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

 

[eph610]

So then are you saying His wrath is not being revealed from heaven and there is no moral law and therefore no trespass?

No, I did not say that at all did I....

 

[Siela01]

Well, we cant really change this. Its entirely up to the individual to repent of their sins and come to Him. He gave His life to offer us this chance, but as we are told, "light has come into the world, but the world loved the darkness". Many many people will choose to please their flesh and enjoy their life over coming to Him.

But, you have your heart in the right place : p Its awesome that you feel so strongly about helping them. Never be afraid to share the word of God. Of course, that doesnt mean hate them, or be mean to them or treat them as if they are less than you. But sin is still sin, and we cannot be saved if we refuse to repent.

There are many people who have lived this life who have come to Him, so dont be discouraged. Its entirely possible. Dont be afraid to stand for the word of God. He loved us that He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins, so that we can come to Him. He is calling His sheep out from this life too, and we should totally be there to help them through it.

Thank you so much for posting this. <3 its awesome comments. ^^

 

[Tintin]

Fantastic post!

Thank you, dear brother! I pray you're well.

 

[CS1]

God stated that it was not good for man to be alone so in Genesis 2:20, He brought forth all the cattle, birds of the sky, and beasts of the field, and Adam named them BUT there was not found a suitable helper for him, it is this time that God places Adam under sleep and makes woman. Could Adam have found a suitable helper and if not why did God have him look to His other creations first? Could it be that WE are the ones that get hung up on the sexuality instead of the companionship aspect? Also God told Adam that for this reason father shall leave mother and cleave unto his wife, thereby everyone it seems thinks that made marriage pre-ordained by God, I have considered rather that it was actually a blessing unto Adam and Eve the same to be said of go forth be fruitful and multiply. Let me explain, if marriage was truly what God had intended and His plan, then why for this moment in time, and yet in the resseruction the Lord said there would be no being given in marriage or marriage? So if i believed that God had not been just blessing Adam and Eve and had actually intended and planned marriage, then i would have to accept that for some reason God changed His mind for the eternal which to me is moment of resseruction to forever.​

God does not change His mind, also what of the scripture of after the Lord said no more marriage in the reserruction where his disciples stated it is better not to marry....Matthew 19:11 the Lord replies not everyone can accept this word only to those who it is given. For some are eunuchs born of women, and some are made by man, and some are for the kingdom of heaven's sake, the one who can accept this should ACCEPT IT....so think on this if go forth be fruitful and multiply were a command unto all of mankind, how be it possible unless God intended then incest? God forbid! Rather this was a blessing once again upon those He spoke it too, like Adam and Eve, Abraham, and others. And what of these eunuchs born of women? Are they what we used to refer to as hermorphidite? or now intersex? Could this "anomaly" sort of speak occur because Adam had the potential to be either the man he was created to be or the female that was created from OUT of him? Also why are there no words in red that He spoke of homosexuality? ACCEPT IT, is what He stated in regards to eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake...for when we make love is it not spiritual? the so called world melts away and it is just you two right? How does it be so reborn new creature IN Christ, who is baptized by His Holy Spirit? That world that melted away, did Christ, and His Holy Spirit, along with the heavenly Father melt away as well, considering He knows every hair on your heads?. And why so much hatred towards the gay community for unalienable rights as man and woman for a just brief moment in time, and then also believe whole heartedly that in the resseruction those precious vows and marriage will be no more? Also consider it is a popular belief that the telling of Lot refers to homosexuality, again i have considered that i guess one could state homosexual rape since it was all men, but we don't refer to it as such we refer to it as rape pure and simple, i am certain that if they had accepted Lot's daughters, the daughters would not have been willing would they? Same to be said of the angels disguised as men, if Lot had turned them over would it been consentual? Of course not! just simply considerations if you don't mind brethren much love and blessings Father to those who read this and Lord Jesus to those who respond let their be You, kindness, patience, longsuffering, wisdom, charity, grace, mercy, truth, and love, thank you Lord Jesus my saviour, my King, my God.​

There is a whole lot being said here and i think it is of very very great importance the context of Biblical "marriage" be explained.
In genesis chapter 2 :24 God said " [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." This was the understanding of what marriage was suppose to be before the fall of man. As we progress through the Word of God this Narrative has never changed however, the context of the relationship with God, man , and women did change after the fall. Gen 3:16-19
Marriage in the bible continue after the fall in the same manner as it was intended in the Garden the only exceptions was rulers, Kings etc... But the LAW given to Moses by God reinforces the nominative of marriage as that being one man and one women. God did not change HIS mind in the " context to marriage" of the flesh meaning those who are alive on the earth today. Marriage in the Context of the "Church" as the Church is known Symbolically as " Bride of Christ" this is a spiritual application as the Bible says
" [/FONT]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] [/FONT]cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." 1Cor [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]15:50[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]The flesh = sin and "sin" will not enter Heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] Before the Fall we do not know how God would have provided wives for the son s of Adam The bible is silent on this .[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] But we do know that God did not create sin nor did HE make incest, homosexuality, Fornication and all other sexual or fleshly sin. These sins of the Flesh manifested through the desires of the sinful nature or the fleshly nature not a Spiritual nature born of God. as Rom 8:1-10 tell us.
again in context to " eunuchs"
Matt 19: 12 "
[/FONT]For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]:"[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] (this could be those who sexual) [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif][/FONT]and there are some [/FONT]eunuchs, which were madeeunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif].[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] The context of Matt 19:12 has to be kept in context to the full passage.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] When Jesus says eunuchs that were born from their mothers womb means two thing depending on the context 1. one who was raised for service for the king. 2. One who has a birth defect it has nothing to do with " [/FONT]hermorphidite" the Greek translation doesn't even suggest that.
the next point Those that "were made eunuchs of men" is speaking about to castrate, to neuter a man.

The later part "[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. "[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] This is speaking of those who have chosen to be single or not willing to marry for the service of the Kingdom of God.

This is a gift Jesus said "[/FONT]He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

Not all are able to do this. [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] Paul again says this too 1 cor 7:7-9[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] Jesus and Paul address the very same thing. Service to God and denying the flesh or sexual desires done while on earth. This is not a mandatory thing those who cannot do this should marry as Paul said and Jesus too said "[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]"[/FONT]He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." this has nothing to do with sexual sin or homosexuality .