Lottery is wrong

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greatkraw

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According to quantum physicists and theoretical mathematicians there is no such thing as luck(randomness).

Having said that, there is an example gambling in the Bible.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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there is? where?
 
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greatkraw

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for his garments they cast lots :)

then again their is the Umin and Thummim

do a search on the word lot

replacing Judas involved casting a lot in the book of acts
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I don't think the last one is the same as the first one though
 
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greatkraw

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wwjd_kilden said:
I don't think the last one is the same as the first one though
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different people are going to see that different ways

funny how people will try hard to justify a thing if they really want it
 
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wwjd_kilden

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wee isn't the lat lottery just to make a decision?

lottery to gain/ win would be different

in norwegian we don't even have the same word for it, I have no idea how that is in hebrew
 
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lil-rush

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lottery pays for my college scholarship. Yay Bright Futures Scholarship... that's Florida for yuh.

I don't think it is a sin to gamble. Wasteful, sure, but not sinful. I think it's a sin to become addicted to gambling to the point that you spend money you don't have and use others' possessions in order to pay for your habit.
 
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FixYourWeave

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My father used to send me lottery tickets as child support, so your telling me thats wrong???????? nooo i wont believe it!
 
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Harley_Angel

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It's more like a game. Games have prizes and odds for winning. In order to participate in the game, you buy a ticket, then you do something, usually pick numbers, scratch the right combination of numbers, play a game of cards, and if you win, you get the prize, which is freely given to you for your victory. The odds for a lottery or gambling are very very low in your favor, so people call it luck when you win, but it's still just a game. It would be the same as paying an entry fee for a dodgeball tournament, and being the "lucky" team who wins and takes home the prize. However, when you are using it as a get rich scheme, or trying to use it so you don't have to work, or you are spending all your social security or welfare checks on it, then it has become something that takes you away from your responsibilities. Using it as a form of entertainment isn't a sin, it's a game, and the Bible doesn't say we can't play games of risk.
 
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lil-rush

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Wow. I never thought if it like that before, Harley. That's a really good point.
 
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greatkraw

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yeah, we can argue about the activity

but if the motive is avarice(ie greed) then it breaks the commandment not to covet

"any man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel"

another thought, if I buy a lottery ticket, and I have, hoping to win lots of money, and i have, to meet my needs, and i have, then I am not trusting God to meet my needs
 
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lil-rush

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greatkraw said:
yeah, we can argue about the activity

but if the motive is avarice(ie greed) then it breaks the commandment not to covet

"any man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel"

another thought, if I buy a lottery ticket, and I have, hoping to win lots of money, and i have, to meet my needs, and i have, then I am not trusting God to meet my needs
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One could say that was God's way of meeting your needs.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Maybe it has more to do with priority of things than what you do

ex: do you buy the lottery ticket before tithing?

I don't tithe (neither do I bet/ use the lottery), but I'm starting to think I should start tithing, because those who do seem to get money from "nowhere" when they get in financial problems...
yes, God sure does provide
 
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Harley_Angel

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greatkraw said:
yeah, we can argue about the activity

but if the motive is avarice(ie greed) then it breaks the commandment not to covet

"any man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel"

another thought, if I buy a lottery ticket, and I have, hoping to win lots of money, and i have, to meet my needs, and i have, then I am not trusting God to meet my needs
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The same thing can be said about having a job, though. I'm guessing 99% of the people out there work so they can make money, and often times what better paying jobs so they can make more money whether they need it or not. Is it a sin to work overtime? Is it a sin to accept or persue a promotion at work? And by working for our money, and hoping our paychecks are enough to meet our needs, we are relying on ourselves to meet our needs, not God. See how that doesn't make much sense?

The majority of all things and activities are completely nuetral. We are the ones who are good or evil, not the things or activities we do. There is nothing wrong with lighting a candle, there is something wrong with lighting a candle as a sacrifice or offering to another god. There is nothing evil about a candle, whether it is used for scenting a room, or used in a ritual...it's a candle. It's the same with the lottery. It's a game, it is not evil, it is not good. When we use it as a form of entertainment in the hopes of winning, it's the same as spending money going to a football game and hoping your team wins. When you stop providing for your family because you become obsessed with the lottery, or because you become obsessed with football, you are doing something wrong. We are supposed to take all things in moderation.
 
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greatkraw

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Harley_Angel said:
The same thing can be said about having a job, though. I'm guessing 99% of the people out there work so they can make money, and often times what better paying jobs so they can make more money whether they need it or not. Is it a sin to work overtime? Is it a sin to accept or persue a promotion at work? And by working for our money, and hoping our paychecks are enough to meet our needs, we are relying on ourselves to meet our needs, not God. See how that doesn't make much sense?

The majority of all things and activities are completely nuetral. We are the ones who are good or evil, not the things or activities we do. There is nothing wrong with lighting a candle, there is something wrong with lighting a candle as a sacrifice or offering to another god. There is nothing evil about a candle, whether it is used for scenting a room, or used in a ritual...it's a candle. It's the same with the lottery. It's a game, it is not evil, it is not good. When we use it as a form of entertainment in the hopes of winning, it's the same as spending money going to a football game and hoping your team wins. When you stop providing for your family because you become obsessed with the lottery, or because you become obsessed with football, you are doing something wrong. We are supposed to take all things in moderation.
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i dont buy it as a form of entertainment

I would get more entertainment out of putting 1 dollar into a pinball machine or video game than into a poker machine despite all the tunes it plays

waiting for 6 lotto numbers to come up takes about 2 minutes. what is entertaining about that?

the only thing that gets the excitement going is the covetting
 
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Harley_Angel

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Just because it's not entertaining to you, doesn't mean it's not to other people. I happen to find it very entertaining. When I went to the casino with my mom and we played on the slot machines, it was a lot of fun rooting each other on and doing our little victory dance when we won and having a good time. Sometimes, all you need is 2 minutes of entertainment. If I'm waiting for someone at a gas station, and I'm bored, I'll buy a lotto ticket, like one of the scratch ones, and it only takes a minute, but it's fun while I'm scratching it off. If I win, hey awesome! If not, there's another buck that can go to charities, scholarship funds, and other organizations the lotto helps fund. Have you ever been to Las Vegas? Let me tell you, those are some of the most exciting nickle slots you can find anywhere in the world.

I don't find football entertaining at all, or baseball, or most any other sport for that matter. I think it's a waste of money to go buy expensive tickets, sit out in the cold, and eat stale nachos when you could just watch it at home...doesn't mean other people don't find it HIGHLY entertaining, and spend a LOT of money that goes to nothing but padding the pockets of already wealthy people who play a game for a living.
 
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greatkraw

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Harley_Angel said:
Just because it's not entertaining to you, doesn't mean it's not to other people. I happen to find it very entertaining. When I went to the casino with my mom and we played on the slot machines, it was a lot of fun rooting each other on and doing our little victory dance when we won and having a good time. Sometimes, all you need is 2 minutes of entertainment. If I'm waiting for someone at a gas station, and I'm bored, I'll buy a lotto ticket, like one of the scratch ones, and it only takes a minute, but it's fun while I'm scratching it off. If I win, hey awesome! If not, there's another buck that can go to charities, scholarship funds, and other organizations the lotto helps fund. Have you ever been to Las Vegas? Let me tell you, those are some of the most exciting nickle slots you can find anywhere in the world.

I don't find football entertaining at all, or baseball, or most any other sport for that matter. I think it's a waste of money to go buy expensive tickets, sit out in the cold, and eat stale nachos when you could just watch it at home...doesn't mean other people don't find it HIGHLY entertaining, and spend a LOT of money that goes to nothing but padding the pockets of already wealthy people who play a game for a living.
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like the ones who own the slot machines or have been given the lottery franchise?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Harley_Angel said:
Just because it's not entertaining to you, doesn't mean it's not to other people. I happen to find it very entertaining. When I went to the casino with my mom and we played on the slot machines, it was a lot of fun rooting each other on and doing our little victory dance when we won and having a good time. Sometimes, all you need is 2 minutes of entertainment. If I'm waiting for someone at a gas station, and I'm bored, I'll buy a lotto ticket, like one of the scratch ones, and it only takes a minute, but it's fun while I'm scratching it off. If I win, hey awesome! If not, there's another buck that can go to charities, scholarship funds, and other organizations the lotto helps fund. Have you ever been to Las Vegas? Let me tell you, those are some of the most exciting nickle slots you can find anywhere in the world.

I don't find football entertaining at all, or baseball, or most any other sport for that matter. I think it's a waste of money to go buy expensive tickets, sit out in the cold, and eat stale nachos when you could just watch it at home...doesn't mean other people don't find it HIGHLY entertaining, and spend a LOT of money that goes to nothing but padding the pockets of already wealthy people who play a game for a living.
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Unfortunately, in Idaho (and other states) the funds that were to go for schools etc have been put into the general fund.
 
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Here in Canada, we use casino's and bingo's as a way to generate money for non-profit organizations, like the ones I work to benifit my children's school and other social programs.
I myself do not understand the concept of gambling but I just read this quote today, from a local editorial in the paper but it rings through my head as I read the message thread...

Greed leads you down the road to need.

Have a Merry CHRISTmas, everyone :)
 
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FixYourWeave said:
My father used to send me lottery tickets as child support, so your telling me thats wrong???????? nooo i wont believe it!
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So what you're saying is that if he told you he robbed a little old lady on the dark street corner, it would be okay?
that's what 'm understanding from that post.....
 
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