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Right. "By faith you can accept both seemingly opposing ideas to be equally true." Sure. So we can accept that Ahaziah was both 22 and 42 when he began his reign in Israel. Jehoachin was both 8 and 18. David's chief captain killed both 300 and 800 people. Antinomy teaches us that 700 and 7000 are the same number. It's all so clear to me now.
This proves there is NO WILL involved. Wow can two people read the same verse and get the OPPOSITE meaning...
Tell me what happened to free will if God CAUSE the man to WALK IN GOD'S WILL?
Where is FREEWILL in this? Or is it ONLY GOD'S WILL in this Scripture...A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Please note god WILL take teh old heart and HE WILL give a NEW one, and HE WILL put HIS SPIRIT ( Also a NEW Spirit) in us and HE WILL CAUSE us to walk in HIS judgement and CAUSE us to DO THEM... where is the FREE WILL now?
Only the ones that are evil is not in GOD'S WILL.... Do we not pray LET THOU WILL BE DONE? Well if it is done in me, where is FREEWILL in that? There is NONE! Never was and never will be. God's WILL WILL be done in heaven and in me... There is no will for me, let alone FREE will.... HAHAHA , it is silly tothink I have a will.
If I had you would not be typing these silly things. you would not have a say! Maybe I am of the same spirit with the same will than what the disciples had.... Let FIRE come ffrom heaven and destroy these false teachers.... You know not of what spirit you are... and the spirit will you to be EVIL.... but God's Spirit CAUSE you to be HOLY.... WOW!
Tell me what happened to free will if God CAUSE the man to WALK IN GOD'S WILL?
Where is FREEWILL in this? Or is it ONLY GOD'S WILL in this Scripture...A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Please note god WILL take teh old heart and HE WILL give a NEW one, and HE WILL put HIS SPIRIT ( Also a NEW Spirit) in us and HE WILL CAUSE us to walk in HIS judgement and CAUSE us to DO THEM... where is the FREE WILL now?
Only the ones that are evil is not in GOD'S WILL.... Do we not pray LET THOU WILL BE DONE? Well if it is done in me, where is FREEWILL in that? There is NONE! Never was and never will be. God's WILL WILL be done in heaven and in me... There is no will for me, let alone FREE will.... HAHAHA , it is silly tothink I have a will.
If I had you would not be typing these silly things. you would not have a say! Maybe I am of the same spirit with the same will than what the disciples had.... Let FIRE come ffrom heaven and destroy these false teachers.... You know not of what spirit you are... and the spirit will you to be EVIL.... but God's Spirit CAUSE you to be HOLY.... WOW!
what?!?
you're not perfect??
and here i was considering adopting you! LOL
you don't think your parents would have a problem with that, do you?
okay, so i should have said i've never seen you speak unkindly.
and you corrected me in a very kind way.
adoption goes forward.
you know what's funny? (given how much we talk about the Nomos here...)
antinomy derives from the Greek words anti (against) and nomos (law).
you're not perfect??
and here i was considering adopting you! LOL
you don't think your parents would have a problem with that, do you?
okay, so i should have said i've never seen you speak unkindly.
and you corrected me in a very kind way.
adoption goes forward.
you know what's funny? (given how much we talk about the Nomos here...)
antinomy derives from the Greek words anti (against) and nomos (law).
I'm sure he'd have to undergo a name change.
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I'm saying maybe descriptive and prescriptive are adjectives we place on things we don't understand in the first place.
I'm saying we can understand that God so love THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten son...We can understand predestination....We can understand them both without having to impose human reasoning on them and somehow conclude such a thing as limited atonement exists.
Just let God loving the world, let God not wanting any to perish, and let predestination all stand, without having to impose prescriptive/descriptive adjectives to any of it. Because that's when everything gets all messy. Let the mystery stand. Mystery is ok. Really it is.
God predestines and calls and elects, and it's not watered down the way the Arminians propose.
God also loved the world, and also doesn't want any to perish, and that shouldn't be dismissed with a string of hair splitting theological terms that appear to invalidate it.
I'm saying we can understand that God so love THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten son...We can understand predestination....We can understand them both without having to impose human reasoning on them and somehow conclude such a thing as limited atonement exists.
Just let God loving the world, let God not wanting any to perish, and let predestination all stand, without having to impose prescriptive/descriptive adjectives to any of it. Because that's when everything gets all messy. Let the mystery stand. Mystery is ok. Really it is.
God predestines and calls and elects, and it's not watered down the way the Arminians propose.
God also loved the world, and also doesn't want any to perish, and that shouldn't be dismissed with a string of hair splitting theological terms that appear to invalidate it.
Matthew 19:12
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs (A slave doesn't has no place in the house.) by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs (Only a son love to do their father's desires) for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Some of the children were forced into submission in the beginning of their task, but then later they didn't need to be force, because they has matured into adults.
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs (A slave doesn't has no place in the house.) by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs (Only a son love to do their father's desires) for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Some of the children were forced into submission in the beginning of their task, but then later they didn't need to be force, because they has matured into adults.
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
I understand what you are saying...and agree with most of it. So what else do we ignore because it can get 'messy'? I also understand mystery..
I also agree with John 3.
God's descriptive and prescriptive will are in scripture, they are not just 'adjectives', their not just a grammatical point.. they point to something and that something is something what God has had written down for our benefit.
In one hand you say lets not split hairs but then you make an imposing pressuposational statement like: 'God predestines and calls and elects, and it's not watered down the way the Arminians propose.' ? (And I'm not an Arminian)
you can't have it all ways.
No wonder I couldn't figure out what this thread was about. This was Immanuel Kant's philosophy!
Not sure I can reconcile black being white and white being black, though. I am kind of rigid about right and wrong, and good and bad and those kinds of things.
But kudos to anyone who can bedazzle their minds with philosophical feats of contortion!
Not sure I can reconcile black being white and white being black, though. I am kind of rigid about right and wrong, and good and bad and those kinds of things.
But kudos to anyone who can bedazzle their minds with philosophical feats of contortion!
I still like paradox's/mysteries because although two seemingly contadictories exist, it does not mean we are dwelling in the land of A=nonA, rather, God's logic may supercede our logic just as the infinite supercedes the finite.
Even Spugeon talked of the parallel lines of God's sovereignty and man's choice only meeting in eternity where it will be made clear.
So for now we are stuck with God's revelation, and when that cuts across our logical/philosophical reasoning we must stick with God's revelation.
Even Spugeon talked of the parallel lines of God's sovereignty and man's choice only meeting in eternity where it will be made clear.
So for now we are stuck with God's revelation, and when that cuts across our logical/philosophical reasoning we must stick with God's revelation.
I thought of a very simple but scriptural paradox. So maybe there is a truth to this whole thing.
"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2
be transformed - μεταμορφοῦσθε Metamorphousthe.
This verb is the passive imperative in Greek. That means, that we are COMMANDED (imperative) to do this. But it is also passive, which means we are being acted upon by God.
I have pondered this verb in this important verse of Scripture for over 3 years now. How can we obey a command that requires God to do it to us?
I guess because we are walking with God, and we are obeying him, so he is transforming us, as we passively allow him to do it to us.
Is that an example of scriptural antimony, on the micro level?
"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2
be transformed - μεταμορφοῦσθε Metamorphousthe.
This verb is the passive imperative in Greek. That means, that we are COMMANDED (imperative) to do this. But it is also passive, which means we are being acted upon by God.
I have pondered this verb in this important verse of Scripture for over 3 years now. How can we obey a command that requires God to do it to us?
I guess because we are walking with God, and we are obeying him, so he is transforming us, as we passively allow him to do it to us.
Is that an example of scriptural antimony, on the micro level?
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Imagine..... a little bit of false doctrine could fix these problems....... that's how we got these 'discussins' in da first place!