Marriage

[fredjames]

Marriage is clearly an ordain by God. Why would those who do not believe in God need to do marriage?
No other reason, other than to mock God. But Galatians 6:7 tells us that "Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Take refuge in Him alone, my brothers and sisters in Christ. Because it is getting clearer and clearer, all over the world, it is either you are with Him or against Him.

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Please forgive me for being 'spiritually' honest with you and not trying to be better than you nor higher than you, but 'based' on a 'higher Spiritual calling' knowledge faith. What you have 'posted' is also 'common' among Gentiles, proper and sacred, a marriage between a man and a woman. In some 'culture' women keep their 'virginity' only for their family arranged 'husbands' and many other values honoring the husbands as follow.

The Hollywood perverted christian industries are the ones who have 'exploited' the whole world to 'lawlessness' and 'continuing', with it's worldly patterns and passions and desires lifestyle and broadcasted to the whole world, as similar as the 'practitioners' in the ancient 'dark' days.

HOLY BIBLE born again Christians, not only 'born' of water but also of the HOLY SPIRIT, understand through their 'Spiritual knowledge' and worship GOD in 'spirit' and 'truth', that their first 'spiritual' marriage as 'a bride', is with CHRIST, the 'bridegroom' given to us as 'a church' by GOD of our 'salvation'.

The 'bridegroom' CHRIST's word/teaching of the New Covenant/Testament is their practice and abiding 'platform' that they are able to 'stand' for their Christian 'physical' marriage, between a Christian man and a Christian women. And 'stand' for their existing marriage between a new converted Christian men or women, still married to a unbelieving spouse'.

This is thus far what has been written and taught, that 'exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees', which is of Grace and Truth, Holy and Spiritual, truthfully from above the 'spiritual manna' Heavenly New Covenant/Testament marriage.

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[p_rehbein]

So what about every Sikh, Hindu, Muslim who gets married? Are they not proper marriages but should be registered partnerships? What about the followers of Vishnu and Ganesh etc? Should they be registered partnerships and not marriages?

Does Christianity have the monopoly on two people wanting to Marry?

Already answered this question.........you gotta read all the comments "with understanding" I suppose..........

Let me try again........NO.

 

[p_rehbein]

No one who claims marriage is exclusively for people who believe in God seems to be answering your question.

I'm waiting for one of them to respond.

Question had already been answered, lack of reading comprehension appears to be the problem, not a lack of answering.

 

[JesusLives]

Me and my wife are non believers and we got married.

It had nothing to do with God. We wanted to prove our commitment to each other.

Marriage also predates Christianity so I don't see where the God mocking comes Into it.

I feel I'm being pushed towards God by something I don't yet understand. But feel I'm getting pushed away from it by illinformed, opinionated and arrogant people who are supposed to represent God.

Here is the thing..... you should want to be a Christian because of what Jesus has done for you...which is died on a cross to pay your penalty for sinning...as in the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord...

You can't look to Christians as we are forgiven sinners and we don't always represent God in a good light....so sad to say... But if you keep your focus on Jesus I would venture a guess that you will not see anything that you would be disappointed in. We can't look to each other because we fail.....Jesus never failed. He has won the battle and secured our salvation.

Praying you will decide to become a Christian because of Jesus and not Christians.....God bless you. Love the fact that you felt a commitment to your wife to marry. Wish you a continued blessed marriage.

 

[Budman]

What an absolute load of crap you speak, what a foolish thing to say, are you for real mate?, how is it mocking God?

God created marriage to not only be a physical covenant between the man and woman to produce children, but a spiritual one as well; one between them and their Creator.

To enter into marriage without the covenant aspect, is indeed, mocking God.

 

[mailmandan]

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[AllanSnackbar]

Question had already been answered, lack of reading comprehension appears to be the problem, not a lack of answering.

All I saw was, if its not ordained by God then its just an official partnership.

Hence Christianity having the monopoly on Marriage.

 

[kedge]

God created marriage to not only be a physical covenant between the man and woman to produce children, but a spiritual one as well; one between them and their Creator.

To enter into marriage without the covenant aspect, is indeed, mocking God.

Oh ok, maybe I misunderstood. I don't think all people in general mean to mock God?, I can perhaps understand that God might not bless all marriages.

 

[p_rehbein]

All I saw was, if its not ordained by God then its just an official partnership.

Hence Christianity having the monopoly on Marriage.

America, and many other countries have laws concerning marriage, and people can simply go to their local Court House, apply for a marriage license, and be married by the County Clerk, or another Municipal Official without any Clergy being present.

There are two basic "marriages" recognized. The first being the "marriage" conducted in accordance to the Word of God. The second being those conducted by the laws of man.

How is that so difficult to understand?

 

[AllanSnackbar]

America, and many other countries have laws concerning marriage, and people can simply go to their local Court House, apply for a marriage license, and be married by the County Clerk, or another Municipal Official without any Clergy being present.

There are two basic "marriages" recognized. The first being the "marriage" conducted in accordance to the Word of God. The second being those conducted by the laws of man.

How is that so difficult to understand?

No that makes sense. I got married in the way you said. No religious people present.

I'm still married though. How is my marriage any different to a religious wedding. Its the same on paper. Or are you saying one is Blessed by God, and one isnt?

 

[p_rehbein]

No that makes sense. I got married in the way you said. No religious people present.

I'm still married though. How is my marriage any different to a religious wedding. Its the same on paper. Or are you saying one is Blessed by God, and one isnt?

Yes, I am saying that. I would think, that as an unbeliever, you would recognize that as well. One is "blessed" by the State and recognized as existing by God, and the other is "blessed" by God and recognized by the State.

 

[AllanSnackbar]

Yes, I am saying that. I would think, that as an unbeliever, you would recognize that as well. One is "blessed" by the State and recognized as existing by God, and the other is "blessed" by God and recognized by the State.

I recognise it now youve pointed it out. Never given it much thought. I just always assumed a Marriage was a Marriage lol

 

[p_rehbein]

I recognise it now youve pointed it out. Never given it much thought. I just always assumed a Marriage was a Marriage lol

Well, both are "legal" in the eyes of man. But one is blessed by God. And these are not the only forms of legal marriage. Some States recognize Common Law marriage that do not begin with a License, and ceremony, but MUST end with a Court Ordered Divorce Decree.

 

[atwhatcost]

Me and my wife are non believers and we got married.

It had nothing to do with God. We wanted to prove our commitment to each other.

Marriage also predates Christianity so I don't see where the God mocking comes Into it.

I feel I'm being pushed towards God by something I don't yet understand. But feel I'm getting pushed away from it by illinformed, opinionated and arrogant people who are supposed to represent God.

This is not pushing you away. I know you're reading the Bible and have chosen to slip out of the OT to get to the climax -- gospels. Have you figured it out yet? (Honest question, since I don't know.) Jesus is God. Christ means Messiah, and the Messiah is God. Christian means Christ followers, thus we follow God. And since God invented time and space, that means he always was. With all that in mind, there is no "before Christianity." Some already followed God before he came to earth to be the Christ, so really really no "before Christianity." Kind of like saying, "before England." Sure England wasn't always the name of that country, but the people who lived there are the same blood as today's Englishman.

(And remember, I'm saying this as the chick who defended my brothers, who aren't believers, in their choice to commit to their wives.)

Also the "I feel I'm being pushed towards God by something I don't yet understand. But feel I'm getting pushed away from it by illinformed, opinionated and arrogant people who are supposed to represent God" is old. That has got to be one of the oldest excuses in the book. Really? Are you a football fan? (Your version, not the American version. lol) Say your favorite teams to cheer on is Chelsea or Manchester. Surely, other fans are going to complain about how bad they are, how much they should improve, how management really stinks, how that one play was so beneath them, etc. Does that push you away? Even if you think it too, does it push you away? Either you like something or you don't and no one else is going to change your mind by their behavior.

We're foolish, but not fools. We're neither God nor perfect, so the only thing pushing you away is your own ill-information, opinion, and arrogance. Sorry, but I'm not letting you plop that pile of doggy poo at anyone's feet but your own.

 

[atwhatcost]

Thanks for enlighting me on this, since I am not an American. But I understood from my times in the Netherlands, that most western countries recognizes registered partnerships as alternative option, just as like you mentioned, before the courthouse without any preachers or church elders being present.

Another question, prior to the acceptance of homosexual marriage in USA, are homosexual, by law, also allowed to enter into such registered partnership as you described?

As annoyingly "progressive" as America has become, we're still behind the times compared to Europe. I never heard of "registered partnerships." Even those who never get married but cohabitat for years have what we call "a common-law marriage." Even the homosexuals wanted "marriage." Nonbelievers simply ignore the three words "sanctified by God." It's so well ignored that a Catholic councilman in my city who did try to push the homosexual marriages into law for this city alone in the very beginning of this century, sent out a newsletter saying that a homosexual marriage is sanctified by God as if he had no understanding of what sanctified means. He's Catholic. He knows good and well what sanctified means when it comes to marriage.

So, we haven't gotten into "registered partnerships" yet. Probably never will since everything is covered as "marriage" already but the polygamists, (and under that newest Supreme Court "law," they should have it easy now.)

That is a cultural thing, and not a part of our culture.

 

[Rosesrock]

Im confusedby this thread but here are my thoughts. Of course unbelievers dont understand why believers do what they do. And vise versa. The love of God isnt in them.
when we got married i was 18, pregnant and mad. I was raised in church and had professed christ, but only in words not in heart. (I knew all the right answers)
We were committed to not being a stat, but i soon realized my iwn power wasnt gonna cut it. My young husband prayed very hard for me. I began having nightmares and i couldnt sleep. He stayed awake with me. On the third night he gently asked me about my salvation, and i received christ. All that to say, again not sure the point of the thread but God has a foundation to marriage and no matter how good we want to do, it's only through Christ that....that power exists

 

[atwhatcost]

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Leave it to Jay to make everything a black and white issue, when it's not. (I went to his school. That's what I have against him.)

So, by that logic, shall we then say all children born of non-Christians are bastards? Nothing less than children of prostitutes?

Just because believers know marriage includes God, doesn't mean everyone else isn't married. And considering the divorce rate for Christians is roughly the same as nonbelievers, got to wonder about how much Christians realize God is supposed to be included? I get that doesn't mean there won't be divorces, but it ought to mean there should be a lot less than 50%!

 

[atwhatcost]

All I saw was, if its not ordained by God then its just an official partnership.

Hence Christianity having the monopoly on Marriage.

Seriously? If you don't want to believe in God, isn't an "official partnership" enough? What else could marriage possibly be apart from God? Not like "official partnership" is a bad thing. Feels like you're just in the mood to chuff.

 

[atwhatcost]

No that makes sense. I got married in the way you said. No religious people present.

I'm still married though. How is my marriage any different to a religious wedding. Its the same on paper. Or are you saying one is Blessed by God, and one isnt?

Yup, pretty much. Even better. Sanctified.

Then again, if you go with there is no God or no one can really ever know him, what's it matter?

Something tells me you're getting defense for the obvious reason -- you're missing something, and you're afraid it might just be God. I certainly hope you get to the point when you realize you're right. That's it. That's what you're missing -- God. Because life gets a lot less complicated when we know the Boss-man and he's also family. (Not easier, but less complicated in our minds.)

 

[AllanSnackbar]

Yup, pretty much. Even better. Sanctified.

Then again, if you go with there is no God or no one can really ever know him, what's it matter?

Something tells me you're getting defense for the obvious reason -- you're missing something, and you're afraid it might just be God. I certainly hope you get to the point when you realize you're right. That's it. That's what you're missing -- God. Because life gets a lot less complicated when we know the Boss-man and he's also family. (Not easier, but less complicated in our minds.)

I'm not on the defensive. I just need to let go of some of my assumptions that I've had for years. This is all new ground to me.