Marriage

[p_rehbein]

I'm not on the defensive. I just need to let go of some of my assumptions that I've had for years. This is all new ground to me.

Actually, you are ONE of the FEW "unsure" who do not profess to be Christian here that I do not mind discussing things with. Now, that may just be me.......but, I will try to answer your questions without condemnation.

 

[leonardronaldo]

So what about every Sikh, Hindu, Muslim who gets married? Are they not proper marriages but should be registered partnerships? What about the followers of Vishnu and Ganesh etc? Should they be registered partnerships and not marriages?

Does Christianity have the monopoly on two people wanting to Marry?

First of, this is a Christian website, and therefore I was referring the marriage that conducted before the church and/or elder to commit your life to the God of the bible and your spouse.
I don't think any Sikh, Hindu or Muslim is going to be married before a church, will they?
But some gays and lesbians, will force the church (or will have the church force to acknowledge and receive its marriages).

 

[leonardronaldo]

Please forgive me for being 'spiritually' honest with you and not trying to be better than you nor higher than you, but 'based' on a 'higher Spiritual calling' knowledge faith. What you have 'posted' is also 'common' among Gentiles, proper and sacred, a marriage between a man and a woman. In some 'culture' women keep their 'virginity' only for their family arranged 'husbands' and many other values honoring the husbands as follow.

The Hollywood perverted christian industries are the ones who have 'exploited' the whole world to 'lawlessness' and 'continuing', with it's worldly patterns and passions and desires lifestyle and broadcasted to the whole world, as similar as the 'practitioners' in the ancient 'dark' days.

HOLY BIBLE born again Christians, not only 'born' of water but also of the HOLY SPIRIT, understand through their 'Spiritual knowledge' and worship GOD in 'spirit' and 'truth', that their first 'spiritual' marriage as 'a bride', is with CHRIST, the 'bridegroom' given to us as 'a church' by GOD of our 'salvation'.

The 'bridegroom' CHRIST's word/teaching of the New Covenant/Testament is their practice and abiding 'platform' that they are able to 'stand' for their Christian 'physical' marriage, between a Christian man and a Christian women. And 'stand' for their existing marriage between a new converted Christian men or women, still married to a unbelieving spouse'.

This is thus far what has been written and taught, that 'exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees', which is of Grace and Truth, Holy and Spiritual, truthfully from above the 'spiritual manna' Heavenly New Covenant/Testament marriage.

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

thanks for dropping by. God bless you.

 

[leonardronaldo]

God created marriage to not only be a physical covenant between the man and woman to produce children, but a spiritual one as well; one between them and their Creator.

To enter into marriage without the covenant aspect, is indeed, mocking God.

exactly. that's my point.

 

[leonardronaldo]

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Preach on brother, amen.

 

[leonardronaldo]

America, and many other countries have laws concerning marriage, and people can simply go to their local Court House, apply for a marriage license, and be married by the County Clerk, or another Municipal Official without any Clergy being present.

There are two basic "marriages" recognized. The first being the "marriage" conducted in accordance to the Word of God. The second being those conducted by the laws of man.

How is that so difficult to understand?

This is exactly my point. Thanks for pointing out again.

 

[p_rehbein]

First of, this is a Christian website, and therefore I was referring the marriage that conducted before the church and/or elder to commit your life to the God of the bible and your spouse.
I don't think any Sikh, Hindu or Muslim is going to be married before a church, will they?
But some gays and lesbians, will force the church (or will have the church force to acknowledge and receive its marriages).

There are those concerned about this........but in my opinion, NO ONE, Not even the Government can FORCE a member of the Clergy or any Church to acknowledge the legitimacy of such marriages.

Now, the Clergy and the Church have to have the commitment to the Word of God to accept any and all consequences for refusing to do so, but they can not be FORCED to do so.

 

[leonardronaldo]

No that makes sense. I got married in the way you said. No religious people present.

I'm still married though. How is my marriage any different to a religious wedding. Its the same on paper. Or are you saying one is Blessed by God, and one isnt?

How would you want something to be blessed by God, which you don't even believe nor commit such thing to Him?
lol

 

[p_rehbein]

How would you want something to be blessed by God, which you don't even believe nor commit such thing to Him?
lol

He already acknowledged the difference in a later comment............

 

[leonardronaldo]

Leave it to Jay to make everything a black and white issue, when it's not. (I went to his school. That's what I have against him.)

So, by that logic, shall we then say all children born of non-Christians are bastards? Nothing less than children of prostitutes?

Just because believers know marriage includes God, doesn't mean everyone else isn't married. And considering the divorce rate for Christians is roughly the same as nonbelievers, got to wonder about how much Christians realize God is supposed to be included? I get that doesn't mean there won't be divorces, but it ought to mean there should be a lot less than 50%!

I don't know where did you get the number, but I believe those people are carnal people, playing Christians. Similar to gay and lesbians who force to play Church in their marriages.
Both cases need to be saved and regenerated by the True Gospel and the Holy Spirit Himself.

 

[leonardronaldo]

There are those concerned about this........but in my opinion, NO ONE, Not even the Government can FORCE a member of the Clergy or any Church to acknowledge the legitimacy of such marriages.

Now, the Clergy and the Church have to have the commitment to the Word of God to accept any and all consequences for refusing to do so, but they can not be FORCED to do so.

Even after the decision of the Supreme Court? Well, if the True Clergy and Church stand on their faith, the gay and lesbians may then file a lawsuit against them by basing their suit on the decision of the Supreme Court, correct? Similar to the gay wedding cake issues, i guess, is it not?

I see that as a pressure or force as well. May the True Christians and True Church stand strong there. Amen

 

[Sub-Zero]

Question had already been answered, lack of reading comprehension appears to be the problem, not a lack of answering.

I understand the short answer "no", but this is in reference to people who believe there is no point for non-Christians to want to be "married" as marriage is between the [Christian] God and the 2 people.

The context of his question is valid and still unanswered in depth.

 

[Sub-Zero]

America, and many other countries have laws concerning marriage, and people can simply go to their local Court House, apply for a marriage license, and be married by the County Clerk, or another Municipal Official without any Clergy being present.

There are two basic "marriages" recognized. The first being the "marriage" conducted in accordance to the Word of God. The second being those conducted by the laws of man.

How is that so difficult to understand?

I think that was his point... :/

Once again, in response to people who believe there is no point for non-Christians and/or homosexuals to want to get married.

 

[p_rehbein]

I understand the short answer "no", but this is in reference to people who believe there is no point for non-Christians to want to be "married" as marriage is between the [Christian] God and the 2 people.

The context of his question is valid and still unanswered in depth.

Odd, he and I came to an agreement..........but you do not agree that he and I came to an agreement......

If it is still unanswered "in depth," then answer it in depth. Problem solved!

 

[p_rehbein]

NOW, some interesting thoughts about marriage............for FYI only

Marriage LicenseWhen it comes to marriage in the United States of America, there are procedures and standards for marriage that one must follow, in which one of those procedures is to acquire a marriage license. Many people go about following the steps outlined for marriage according to the State, without ever knowing the reasoning or history or legal aspect of what they are doing. The word license is derived from the Latin word Licentious, which means lacking restraint, ignoring societal standards, disregard for accepted rules. According to Black's Law Dictionary, the word license is defined as - the permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal." Now in other words, this means the government makes something that was lawful to do, illegal, so they can then tell you that if you pay the government money (which is a bribe), then they will turn their backs and give you a permit that allows you to break the law that they just said was illegal to do! So the question that people need to ask themselves, is why would it be illegal to marry without the State's permission? This question is rarely brought up or addressed because people have grown so custom, to following the laws and statutes and commandments of man, rather than those of the Most High. Let's examine the history of marriage license in America, and see how it came about, why it came about, and why the government and states enforce this system of enslavement upon the people.


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[h=3]Marriage License Truth - The Way of Truth...[/h]
thought provoking, if nothing else

 

[Nautilus]

Marriage is clearly an ordain by God. Why would those who do not believe in God need to do marriage?
No other reason, other than to mock God. But Galatians 6:7 tells us that "Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Take refuge in Him alone, my brothers and sisters in Christ. Because it is getting clearer and clearer, all over the world, it is either you are with Him or against Him.

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Plenty of non-christians do marriage for the federal benefits it gives you. If the government had never gotten involved in marriage in the first place, then none of this would have ever been an issue.

 

[p_rehbein]

Plenty of non-christians do marriage for the federal benefits it gives you. If the government had never gotten involved in marriage in the first place, then none of this would have ever been an issue.

When an opportunity to profit arises, the Government is the first in line with it's hands out seizing all it can get

 

[fredjames]

Please forgive me for being 'spiritually' honest with you and not trying to be better than you nor higher than you, but 'based' on a 'higher Spiritual calling' knowledge faith. What you have 'posted' is also 'common' among Gentiles, proper and sacred, a marriage between a man and a woman. In some 'culture' women keep their 'virginity' only for their family arranged 'husbands' and many other values honoring the husbands as follow.

The Hollywood perverted christian industries are the ones who have 'exploited' the whole world to 'lawlessness' and 'continuing', with it's worldly patterns and passions and desires lifestyle and broadcasted to the whole world, as similar as the 'practitioners' in the ancient 'dark' days.

HOLY BIBLE born again Christians, not only 'born' of water but also of the HOLY SPIRIT, understand through their 'Spiritual knowledge' and worship GOD in 'spirit' and 'truth', that their first 'spiritual' marriage as 'a bride', is with CHRIST, the 'bridegroom' given to us as 'a church' by GOD of our 'salvation'.

The 'bridegroom' CHRIST's word/teaching of the New Covenant/Testament is their practice and abiding 'platform' that they are able to 'stand' for their Christian 'physical' marriage, between a Christian man and a Christian women. And 'stand' for their existing marriage between a new converted Christian men or women, still married to a unbelieving spouse'.

This is thus far what has been written and taught, that 'exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees', which is of Grace and Truth, Holy and Spiritual, truthfully from above the 'spiritual manna' Heavenly New Covenant/Testament marriage.

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

As it is written in John 3; 3-7, to notify non-Christian, who want or try to learn and understand and add to their lives bits and pieces taken from the HOLY BIBLE about the true Living GOD, that;

3. JESUS answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of GOD." 4. Nicodemus said to HIM, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" 5. JESUS answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the SPIRIT, he cannot enter the Kingdom of GOD. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the SPIRIT is spirit. 6. Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again. ........."

There will always be a 'conflict' between a 'spiritually knowledgeable' person born from above and a 'carnally knowledgeable' person born from below, about the word/teaching of the HOLY BIBLE.

JESUS said this, that;

"You cannot give what is Good and Holy to dogs. For it will only turn around and bite you."

JESUS did not spend time with Nicodemus trying to teach and explain to him the Kingdom of GOD, but only said specifically that he must be born from above in order to see and to enter the Kingdom of GOD.

Please do not continue in 'vain' discussion and debates about the HOLY BIBLE with a non-believer. They simply specifically need to be born from above first, in order to 'recognize' us.

Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST keep HIS lambs and sheep safe and from temptation, and from 'harms' way and bless them, and also protect them from their adversaries.

 

[Angela53510]

Allen, being a Christian means have a relationship with Jesus. And that means focusing our eyes on him, not on other Christians, although I pray we can be bold and loving witnesses to the transforming power of the Holy Spiit.

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:1-2

 

[Sub-Zero]

Odd, he and I came to an agreement..........but you do not agree that he and I came to an agreement......

If it is still unanswered "in depth," then answer it in depth. Problem solved!

Yes, you later agreed, but I was reading the previous posts and responding as I saw them. It was before I got to the agreement. Prior to my post about it not being answered (in depth, not just a no), no one answered it. Thanks for finally doing it though. I'm glad we are all in agreement now.