Mike Bickle's "Israel Mandate"

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Galahad

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The only thing I notice is that you cannot back up your christian culture statement, which says the Bible states the Bible is our final authority.

Again, please list the book, chapter and verse where this is found in the Bible.


This is the exact same thing like Christians saying the Bible says God hates the sin, but loves the sinner, which is not found anywhere in the Bible. This thought is implied in scripture, but not actually stated anywhere in scripture.


The exact statement is "Love the sinner, hate the sin!" and it is a quote from Mahatma Gandhi. I find it really silly that self professed protestant Christians run around telling the world: God loves the sinner, but hates the sin, and a majority of them have no clue it is a quote from someone they would then try to witness to and convert from Hinduism.

The BIble as our Final Authority is an implied thought, but not found anywhere in scripture. Your upset because you did not understand the context willie was correcting you with. I side with him because, number 1 is he is right and number 2 he schooled you, and you are too proud to admit it.
He did not and has not supported or backed up his statement. In fact, he's contradicted it. Christian culture statement? What is that?

Please, in all sincerity, do not be dishonest in your posts about Willie's statement: You do realize, don't you, that the Bible is not "authoritative." Nowhere does it make that claim. All that is ever said is that the Scriptures are "inspired" and can be used to do some teaching.
Don't try to make it any more than that, and you won't get yourself upset when one man happens to write differently than another one does.


I ask you to be honest in what you put in your replies.

You know, like this: Josh, have you quit being deceptive in your posts? Or, Have you stopped lying?

Your Christian culture? What is your point?

Josh Degenerate what is your culture? Please be not offended!
 
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You cannot differentiate. Signs and wonders were done by the power of the Holy Spirit, not by anything within those who exhibited the miraculous gifts.

The only unbelievers that needed affirmation of the testimony of Christians were the ones that had no Scripture other than the Old Testament, and no knowledge of Christ, or perhaps even no knowledge of either -- think the Greeks and Asians of Paul's day. Today's unbelievers have had the Bible for a little over 1,900 years, and the testimonies of millions of Christians who can testify to the power and glory of Christ through what He has done for them.

I am, as you may have gathered from some of my posts. I don't believe miraculous gifts are for today, based on the massive amounts of testimony as aforementioned, and based on my understanding of 1 Corinthians 13, particularly 8-10.

Yes, God heals. But He doesn't need someone standing up in front of a congregation, or worse, a television camera, doing it. And He does miraculous healing only very rarely. He gave us godly doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals to provide His healing, in most cases.

As for tongues and "prophetic utterings," I don't believe they are practiced by people who understand the biblical basis for them, and therefore they do not practice them correctly. Bad biblical understanding can be far worse than no biblical understanding.
SO what you are really saying is that you do not believe in the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit or that it is his time in the earth now, because Jesus DOES NOT sit at the right hand of the Father and finished his work on earth.

How could it be that God used men then, but does not use them now? Please prove that one for me, adn stoip ranting that the Bible is all we need. There are millions of unreached people groups in the world that don't have the Bible.

You are typical of the western church today and have no idea how powerful the Holy Spirit really is.

I watched a modern day version of Elijah on Mt. Carmel about 15 years ago in Africa. You better believe the Holy Spirit blew that witch Dr away. That witch DR today is now a lean, mean Holy Spirit fighting machine, saved and preaches the Gospel in his sphere of influence. He did not come to Jesus by the Bible, because the Bible was not translated into his language yet.

He came to Jesus when his powers of darkness could not restore a boy from a serious coma. Oh But Praise God a missionary, who had faith that could move a mountain stepped up and said let me try and the boy recovered and the witch Doctor came to Jesus!!!

While I find your credentials, degrees, and certifications in you area of study admirable and I respect you for them, I do not bow at the altar of education. Quite frankly and this will make you mad and no disrespect implied or intended, but the Holy Spirit can do more in 5 seconds with someone, than you, your training and all your degrees could do in 5 years. God calls me to wisdom though and wisdom is also seeking advice from Christian experts like yourself. I do not deny your calling and credentials, but I also do not deny the Holy Spirit or his gifts or his ministry.


I have watched ER doctors come to Jesus, because they called death and 10 minutes later a person wakes up and has no ill effects, and not because someone waved their suit coat over them, anointed them with oil, tied a prayer clothe on their arm but because the effectual, fervent prayers of the righteous avail much in the waiting room!

Newsflash, The Holy Spirits ministry did not stop. If you believe this, then you you are simply stating the Holy Spirit is not in the earth and you are only playing christian with mental assent and have no real understanding of God, his Holy Spirit or Jesus!

I will ask you as well. Does Jesus come to live in your heart or the Holy Spirit? I cannot find one verse that states Jesus comes to live in my heart, and don't bother retorting with Rev 3.20, because that is not at all about salvation.

Frog hair splitting!?!? you bet, but the body needs a wake up call to step outside of what they have been told is Bible and nothing more than Christian culture and tradition, that is found nowhere in the Bible

I can find scripture that states my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit!

And before you go to tongues, you will notice I never once brought that up. I never stated tongues were needed to be used by the Holy Spirit, that they are needed for salvation, make me better than another Christian, give me special power or any other nonsense and foolishness some Charismatics and pentecostal folk dreamed up which is dead wrong.

The outpouring of pentecost was to endue them with power to witness, it is repeated several times in Acts and implied throughout the rest of the Epistles.


DO not get me started on your "expert" opinion in the prophetic. You would not know the difference between real a prophetic word or one of your fill in the blank Sunday school lessons. Please refrain form being on a expert on things you believe ceased or believe are no longer available today.
 
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He did not and has not supported or backed up his statement. In fact, he's contradicted it. Christian culture statement? What is that?

Please, in all sincerity, do not be dishonest in your posts about Willie's statement: You do realize, don't you, that the Bible is not "authoritative." Nowhere does it make that claim. All that is ever said is that the Scriptures are "inspired" and can be used to do some teaching.
Don't try to make it any more than that, and you won't get yourself upset when one man happens to write differently than another one does.


I ask you to be honest in what you put in your replies.

You know, like this: Josh, have you quit being deceptive in your posts? Or, Have you stopped lying?

Your Christian culture? What is your point?

Josh Degenerate what is your culture? Please be not offended!
who is the guy not answering now....
 
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Josh Degenerate what is your culture? Please be not offended!

don't be offended? who gave you a hall pass? you are plenty offending IMO and no I am not Josh's lawyer
 
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well that's it...it's starting to get ugly
 
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Unbelievable and pathetic.

And Joshua you are a sly one. You've been agreeing with Willie on the thread I listed every step of the way. Now you try to turn tables here. Questions of mine to Willie's statement of which you followed and LIKEd remain unanswered. Unanswered.

Notice Willie refers to the gospel. Where's that? In the Bible? Not our authority!
If you honestly DO consider the Bible our authority, why do you not follow all it says to do? (and you know you don't... no one does... at least no one in their right mind) You don't, because you actually do know that it is an inspired guide, but not our authority for daily life.

I think you only parrot that pat phrase because you have been told to believe that way.
 
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actually I'm good looking
...and God has washed away my sins...so I'm good to go on the inside too...which is more important

I guess you couldn't think of a response so you get personal


like I said...getting ugly folks so I'm checking out for now
 
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don't be offended? who gave you a hall pass? you are plenty offending IMO and no I am not Josh's lawyer
Sorry you have now been retained, there is a beautiful Bay Tobiano in it for you, if you accept the mission!
 
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David Hogan encounters the cessationist



[video=youtube;kEdc1loiPL0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEdc1loiPL0[/video]
Listened about half way and quit when Mr. Hogan referred to the Bible as the "Holy little sacred do's and dont's book".
 
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Sorry you have now been retained, there is a beautiful Bay Tobiano in it for you, if you accept the mission!

ha...I just regretfully sold my gorgeous 5 yr old cremello gelding...

Bay Tobiano you say? tell me more....(horse addict)
 
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Galahad

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LOL!...I will only explain myself from the Bible anyhow so no difference...
Your words: well, enough...trading insults is not exactly Christian so one of us is stopping now

That's your statement. And it came right after you made an insult in the same post on a different thread.
When did you decide it was not exactly Christian? Before or after you clicked post quick reply. You typed an insult and in the same reply you typed well, enough...trading insults is not exactly Christian so one of us is stopping now.

Now you are here posting insults.

Yours Signs and wonders are supposed to FOLLOW believers...according to Jesus...asking for them is a sign of unbelief, but you had stated Believers are not supposed to be seeking them

Which? Not supposed to seek or not supposed to ask? I don't know what you mean by seek? Maybe if that can be defined it will assist me.

BTW, that whole big ole copy/paste and that is your response? The entire thing is biblically sound...you want me to make up something?

Not sure what YOU mean by biblically sound? Just want to be sure.

What sort of sign should a believer ask for? 'Hello..God? Can you prove yourself to me? But that's just a lack of understanding. It is not proof.

I will only explain myself from the Bible anyhow so no difference.Why wouldn't you?
Because I said so, that's why...now go sit down and eat your sandwich and if you are good (and I define good...not you) you can go outside and play in the rain later with the kid next door but don't get wet or you will be in big trouble when your father gets home and by that I mean no TV (meant for a laugh don't be offended)

Oh, I'm not offended.
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there."

Your replies and postings have a tone about them that is arrogant. I noticed that when I read your replies from different threads. You seem to enjoy cutting remarks. It's as if you think you are IT. You get upset and defensive when you are asked to clarify. You hit and run. Kinda like, "I'll can write a more belittling reply than anyone else."

I say things I shouldn't. Usually after someone hurls an insult. Still doesn't make it right for me to respond the way I do.

Your statements are open ended. That's why I ask for clarity. I don't ask to cause trouble. I asked one individual why he LIKED a post. Just asked Why? He's been fired up against me ever since. I even LIKED some of his replies after I asked and he fired insults.

I think this whole thing is designed to generate traffic to CC.

When I ask for clarity and want to get to serious discussion, the thread ends. No further response.

Well, I am guilty of posting insults. I am. I am going to try to abstain from that.

I do not intend to insult you and hope I have not in this post. Concerning my estimation of your tone, I am trying to help.
 
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If you honestly DO consider the Bible our authority, why do you not follow all it says to do? (and you know you don't... no one does... at least no one in their right mind) You don't, because you actually do know that it is an inspired guide, but not our authority for daily life.

I think you only parrot that pat phrase because you have been told to believe that way.
Willie,
You don't know my background. Okay. Would you like to return the thread containing your statement about the Bible not our authority?
 
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If you honestly DO consider the Bible our authority, why do you not follow all it says to do? (and you know you don't... no one does... at least no one in their right mind) You don't, because you actually do know that it is an inspired guide, but not our authority for daily life.

I think you only parrot that pat phrase because you have been told to believe that way.
Willie-T, that is a pretty vague statement, what exactly are you referring to?
 
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When I ask for clarity and want to get to serious discussion, the thread ends. No further response
when you ask for clairity you refute it

if that fails, you insult people

if that fails, you twist what is said

you direct insults like little barbs and your post to me is utterly ridiculous which is why you are now on ignore

you appear to see this thread as somehow dependent on your responses and are adept at insults while telling others
they are not approved of by you

you have derailed the thread and I am sorry I ever responded to you...won't happen again...there are people here I disagree with and still it is kept civil...however, there is one thing I have no patience for...

That would be when someone twists what is said and then they try to get into a disagreement on a personal basis...while throwing manure at the other person and pretending to be all hurt and insulted

sorry...please go pout somewhere else
 
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ha...I just regretfully sold my gorgeous 5 yr old cremello gelding...

Bay Tobiano you say? tell me more....(horse addict)
she is a mild mare and gentle ride, her name is Lady Dove, yet she has a a real issue with kicking refuters.

I tried to break her of that, but ya know, you can lead em to water, but you cant......