Modalism vs Trinitarian

michael56 · Mar 25, 2015

As Jesus once said. You have not answered my question, so I will not answer yours

tribesman · Mar 25, 2015

Your question is off-topic. You got into faulty logic twice. But I can understand you don't like to be unveiled.

michael56 · Mar 25, 2015

That is amusing. You responded to a post of mine, not me yours. Debate is two way. You need to answer questions put to you, not just ask them. Obviously you cannot answer the question put, so you simply have to deflect away from that any way you can

PeterJens · Mar 25, 2015

Thank you for defining the difference between the two concepts.
My concept or way of understanding is God is his nature, his responses, his perspective. So the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one, eternal, and also separate. Maybe he could create his essence in many other expressions of who he is.
By saying this one could say this is polytheism, except each party is the same in expression, so not distinct as you find in hinduism. The Lord appears to me to be saying, love, however it is expressed overcomes all things, and is the essence of all creation, which is why Jesus came as a simple man, not highly ranked or given undue respect and honour.
To walk as he walked is to disown the marriage to wealth and power and just live to love. For some this language means soppy sentimentalism, but it actually is brutal, and submission to death at the hands of evil men, which all the apostles suffered. I use the words appears to me, because I have great love and respect to my Lord, and I barely grasp the interplay given to us in the gospel, but I think that is the point. It is love that should drive us, and not argument, or winning or proving something, but seeing and meeting need.
So I see truth in both positions, which may seem a contradiction, but that is probably why it is best to be humble, and understand who you are talking about, before whom we all will answer...

jb · Mar 25, 2015

For those interested you can find a bit of a study Here on Trinitarianism/Modalism...

Yahweh Shalom

AuphirahQueen · Mar 25, 2015

crossnote said:

Wow!! This is truly amazing so you are falsely accusing me of abusing the Sacred Word of ABBA. This is a discussion not an attacking forum and maybe you are upset that you did not think of the topic. This is why there is division within the Body of Christ. AGAPE LOVE towards your brothers and sisters even if they do disagree with you! JESUS LOVES ME !! Praise dance, shouting, rejoicing, Hallelujah!! Lets rejoice together in the name of JESUS! I wonder what JESUS think of our behavior towards one another in the Body of Christ?

secularhermit · Mar 25, 2015

I bet you are not discouraged...

crossnote · Mar 25, 2015

Zmouth said:

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

Now in Matthew 1:18 it is written that when as his mother Mary was married to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

******
Thus a little later in John 10, verse 40 it is written, And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

And what happened at the baptism, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

*******
Luke 4:1
And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Yet in John 7:39, it is written,(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

******

If the Holy Ghost had not be given, then how could the Nazarite be born of the Holy Ghost before Jesus? Luke 1:15

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Matt 2:23
And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

what does all that have to do with modalism/trinitarianism?

crossnote · Mar 25, 2015

michael56 said:

One could wonder how the new testament Christians survived, and saw the rapid growth of the church they did.
They didn't know such words as Modalism, and the word Trinitarianism is not in the Bible. They weren't privy to all the theological doctrines that have since come about, and had the opportunity to call people heretics who didn't agree with them.
Ad yet-despite them not having the benefit of all of these doctrines, the church flourished, and grew at a rate never seen since that time, and the power of the Holy Spirit was manifest to a greater degree than it has been at anytime since.
One could wonder why, the church saw its most rapid growth and power, before the scholar and theologian came along with all these doctrines, and not after

Believe me, the early church was no Shangra-La, the apostles were constantly correcting errors.

crossnote · Mar 25, 2015

michael56 said:

Very well,...are you a Modalist?

michael56 · Mar 25, 2015

crossnote said:

I reckon they would have more errors to correct today than they did then

maxwel · Mar 25, 2015

AuphirahQueen said:

Jumping and shouting is a lovely thing to do,
but if we read the New Testament,
we also see the apostles spending a lot of time correcting bad doctrine.

michael56 · Mar 25, 2015

crossnote said:

I'm a Christian-well I pass the biblical test to be a Christian anyway according to Christ and the Apostles, not so sure according to some of the ologies and isms that have come along since that time

crossnote · Mar 25, 2015

AuphirahQueen said:

I see the RedTent paranoia has gotten the best of you.
I did not attack you, I asked a question which you did not answer. Then you play the 'victim card' and act as if I attacked you. Listen, the Christian walk is full of battles (not a '60's love-in), don't step into the mine fields with a butterfly net.

oldhermit · Mar 25, 2015

Over the past two centuries, four major theological theories have surfaced that have attempted to either explain the unity of one God or to refute or at least minimize the idea of triadic unity altogether. These are Monotheism (which is divided into two camps – Adoptionism and Modalism), Unitarianism, Tritheism, and Trinitarianism. To me, these terms are quite irrelevant. I really do not care what difference or similarities may exist between these four theological theories. I am only concerned with trying to understand how the Word of God represents the triadic unity without regard to any human classifications. If I may, I would like to offer a simple explanation that I believe might help us better grasp the idea of the singularity of the triadic unity. The difficulty I see is in trying to find a word in our theological lexicon that will somehow correspond to how scripture defines the nature of God. I am not sure this is even possible because of the limited nature of human intelligence and the limitations of human languages.

crossnote · Mar 25, 2015

michael56 said:

That's nice, do you hold to modalism?

michael56 · Mar 25, 2015

crossnote said:

What does modalism mean lol? It's not in my bible!

Seriously, I agree with much of what you write. I feel an affinity with many of your posts. Why is that? What brings much unity between us in what we believe? There is only one way that can happen. We agree on much because the same Holy Spirit that resides in you resides in me. We can only be as one in the Spirit.(phil2:2) The definition of a Christian is someone in whom the Holy Spirit resides(Rom 8:9) The definition is not according to whether you follow the correct ''theology'' brought about since the bible was written. I like to think you would accept that
God Bless

crossnote · Mar 25, 2015

michael56 said:

What does modalism mean lol? It's not in my bible!

Seriously, I agree with much of what you write. I feel an affinity with many of your posts. Why is that? What brings much unity between us in what we believe? There is only one way that can happen. We agree on much because the same Holy Spirit that resides in you resides in me. We can only be as one in the Spirit.(phil2:2) The definition of a Christian is someone in whom the Holy Spirit resides(Rom 8:9) The definition is not according to whether you follow the correct ''theology'' brought about since the bible was written. I like to think you would accept that
God Bless

Do you believe for example that the Father and Son are two personages of the One God or are they the same person acting in different roles?

michael56 · Mar 25, 2015

crossnote said:

Good grief that's a bit complicated for me. It's a good job the bible does not demand we go into such things

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 1jOHN 4:15

I fully agree with both the above scriptures

crossnote · Mar 25, 2015

michael56 said:

That's rather dishonest hiding behind Gospel Reductionism. So if you want to go on refusing to answer that's your perogative but Bible Discussion honestly involves 66 Books and many more Chapters than our pet few. If you didn't want to answer a question about modalism, why did you jump into this thread?

Modalism vs Trinitarian

Banned

Senior Member

Banned

Banned

Senior Member

Banned

Banned

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Banned

Senior Member

Banned

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Banned

Senior Member

Banned

Senior Member