Modern day ancient Israel

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WheresEnoch

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Most of us have read about ancient Israel and how they were always missing the mark. Always worshipping other gods, drowning in sin and on and on. You name it, they were guilty of it.

If you were to take a random bunch of professing Christians, say a few hundred of them, it would be hard to tell them apart from ancient Israel. You name it, Christians are guilty of it yet have deceived themselves into believing they are pure and spotless before God when they are rolling around in the mud with pigs. Most have gone astray yet continue to believe "they have Christ as their Lord" just as Israel "had Abraham as their father". It doesn't mean anything by itself.

Times are slightly different now. There is no longer a physical nation which God has to purge of evil doers. Now it is easier. If you obey Him you belong to Israel and have His commandments written on your heart. If you are sinful then you do not belong to Israel and His commandments are not written on your heart otherwise you would not sin against God and embrace wickedness of thought, word and deed.

Exam yourselves, repent and

Luke 3
8 Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 9 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
 
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I wonder if ancient Israel thought they didn't need to worry about God's laws either because of their special status as God's people.
Most of them certainly didn't understand them or abide by them. That is why Christ came to fully teach His laws and show them in action. It's simple, if you are still choosing to break God's laws, then you are still under the penalty of those laws but with greater condemnation than those who do not acknowledge the Son.

If you still let sin have dominion over you, then you are not abiding in Christ.
 
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Romans 8:1-8
1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[SUP]a[/SUP] 2For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[SUP]b[/SUP] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[SUP]c[/SUP] he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 10:1-4
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Brothers,[SUP]a[/SUP] my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.[SUP]b[/SUP]
 
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Just remember, we are accountable to a higher standard than ancient Israel. For we have been given the full understanding of His commandments and are required to obey them internally as well as externally. It is about love. But don't think love is just some good intention or fuzzy feeling in your chest. Love is a commitment and is proven by your actions. If your thoughts and actions do not fall in line with God's laws then you are not loving Him at all and your faith is worthless.
 

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Times are slightly different now. There is no longer a physical nation which God has to purge of evil doers. Now it is easier. If you obey Him you belong to Israel and have His commandments written on your heart. If you are sinful then you do not belong to Israel and His commandments are not written on your heart otherwise you would not sin against God and embrace wickedness of thought, word and deed.
If we are Israel what makes you think we will be any more successful at obeying God?

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (Act 15:10)
 
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Romans 8:1-8
1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[SUP]a[/SUP] 2For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[SUP]b[/SUP] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[SUP]c[/SUP] he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 10:1-4
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Brothers,[SUP]a[/SUP] my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.[SUP]b[/SUP]
Yes good verses. I will show you a bit about them but then I must sleep.

The law of the Spirit = walking in the Spirit in obedience to and out of love for God and denying your flesh. This leads to life.

the law of sin and death = walking by the flesh, which leads to breaking God's laws which then leads to death. We have all already broken His laws and so we all (before coming to Christ) had this law hanging over us.


By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[SUP]c[/SUP] he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit

= Christ condemned sin in the flesh so that we could fulfill the righteous requirement of the law by not walking according to the flesh (which will lead to our death), but by walking according to the Spirit.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

= Here we have two types of people. Those who set their minds on the flesh and those who set their minds on the Spirit. Let us take a look at the outcome for these two types of people:

For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.

= If you are setting your mind on the flesh, sin, etc then the result for you is death. But if you set your mind on the Spirit, pursuit righteousness/holiness and love then you will find life and peace. But why is this true?

For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

= Because if you walk by the flesh you will not submit to God's law, for the flesh is hostile to God. If you are in sin and walking by the flesh, you cannot please God.

--When it comes to Romans 10, Israel was trying to be justified by the law alone, apart from Christ. It is impossible to be justified by a law which you have broken. It is not saying that the law is bad or that we are not called to obey it, on the contrary we must obey God. However, we are not justified before God by it. We are justified by Christ. Yet if you willfully break God's laws, it is because you are walking in the flesh. If you are walking in the flesh... the end result is death for you are an enemy of God, a worker of iniquity.
 
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If we are Israel what makes you think we will be any more successful at obeying God?

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (Act 15:10)
Only those who obey God can claim to truly be Israel.
Obey Him in accordance with the knowledge He has given you for this moment.
 
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2 Corinthians 3:4-11
4Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, 6who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

Romans 6:12-14

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
 

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Only those who obey God can claim to truly be Israel.
Obey Him in accordance with the knowledge He has given you for this moment.
Never in the New Testament is the Church called Israel.
Jesus truly obeyed God and we are grafted in to Israel's spiritual blessings as a free gift of grace through faith.
 
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2 Corinthians 3:4-11
4Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, 6who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

Romans 6:12-14

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

I will address this one fully tomorrow but I will touch on it now.

Romans 6:12-14
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
When it says sin will have no dominion over you, it means it literally in this life. If you choose to deny yourself, pick up your cross daily, follow Christ and walk by the Spirit...

Hebrews 10
26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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Galatians 3:1-14
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[SUP]a[/SUP] the flesh? 4Did you suffer[SUP]b[/SUP] so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify[SUP]c[/SUP] the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[SUP]d[/SUP] 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit[SUP]e[/SUP] through faith.
 
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Never in the New Testament is the Church called Israel.
Jesus truly obeyed God and we are grafted in to Israel's spiritual blessings as a free gift of grace through faith.
Call God's people whatever you want I suppose. Christ calls them Israel however in Jeremiah 31:

Jeremiah 31
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
 
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Galatians 3:19-29
19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[SUP]g[/SUP] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
 

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Call God's people whatever you want I suppose. Christ calls them Israel however in Jeremiah 31:

Jeremiah 31
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

So which are you, the house of Judah or Israel and were you scattered by man or beast?

"Look, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I'll sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah using people and animals as seed. (Jer 31:27)
 
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Romans 5:20-21
20Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Most of us have read about ancient Israel and how they were always missing the mark. Always worshipping other gods, drowning in sin and on and on. You name it, they were guilty of it.

If you were to take a random bunch of professing Christians, say a few hundred of them, it would be hard to tell them apart from ancient Israel. You name it, Christians are guilty of it yet have deceived themselves into believing they are pure and spotless before God when they are rolling around in the mud with pigs. Most have gone astray yet continue to believe "they have Christ as their Lord" just as Israel "had Abraham as their father". It doesn't mean anything by itself.

Times are slightly different now. There is no longer a physical nation which God has to purge of evil doers. Now it is easier. If you obey Him you belong to Israel and have His commandments written on your heart. If you are sinful then you do not belong to Israel and His commandments are not written on your heart otherwise you would not sin against God and embrace wickedness of thought, word and deed.

Exam yourselves, repent and

Luke 3
8 Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 9 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
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The only one that needs to repent is yourself, Indeed,! You have either started out in the Spirit and decided to finish in the flesh as the Galatians , or you were really never truly Born again to begin with. The latter to be more the case than the former. Very evident for those walking in the True Grace by wherein we stand ye are Teaching Christ and being justified by the Law in the same breathe. Its you who needs to repent. Spend time at the foot of the bloody tree where True Grace is found Indeed!
 
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Galatians 3:1-14
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[SUP]a[/SUP] the flesh? 4Did you suffer[SUP]b[/SUP] so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify[SUP]c[/SUP] the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[SUP]d[/SUP] 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit[SUP]e[/SUP] through faith.
I order to understand this passage, you have to read the previous chapters. What Paul is talking about here is circumcision and it is obvious when read in context. Paul even mentions his trip to Jerusalem (found in Acts 15) where they discussed the gospel Paul was preaching to the gentiles and what should be required or commanded of the gentiles initially upon conversion.

In Galatians 3 we can see that people had come to the church in Galatia and convinced at least some of them that they had to be physically circumcised in order to abide in Christ and be a part of the faith/"sons of Abraham", even after they had been born again / received circumcision of the heart.

2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

Paul asks them who are thinking they need to be physically circumcised, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit by a work or by faith?" The answer is they obviously received the Holy Spirit by faith as they already were in the faith at that point.

3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[SUP]a[/SUP] the flesh? 4Did you suffer[SUP]b[/SUP] so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

Paul asks them another rhetorical question, "Having begun by the Spirit (they were already in the faith and following Christ without a physical circumcision), are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (what will cutting your self do to perfect your faith which you already possess?)

If they have already suffered for Christ, yet were not in Christ because they were not physically circumcised, then everything they have been through was in vain.

5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Paul continues his line of questioning/reasoning. "Did you receive the Holy Spirit from God and did He do miracles among you because you were physically circumcised or by faith?"



7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify[SUP]c[/SUP] the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

It is those of faith who are sons of Abraham, not those who merely have an outward cutting. For how does being physically circumcised make you a follower of Christ? How does it mean anything to us anymore, as anyone can be circumcised yet live contrary to God's will. In some ways, professing Christ is our outward circumcision. Sure, we can profess our belief in Christ all we want, but that doesn't truly make us followers of Christ.

10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

All who are relying on a work of the law to justify them before God, such as being circumcised or any other work of the law are cursed. Because we are not saved by obeying the law, the law can only teach, convict and condemn us. It is not capable of justifying us.

We are justified by belonging to Christ. We abide in Christ by obeying His commandments. We obey His commandments by setting our mind on the Spirit, walking by the Spirit and putting our old man - the flesh to death. For the mind set on the flesh is death.

I'm going to stop going through the passage now because I want to elaborate on what God means when He says "the flesh".
It is one of the most important subjects and one that most in my life do not seem to understand. I will do that in my following post.
 
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We are justified by belonging to Christ.

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How does one 'get into Christ'? belong to Christ ----> if one is Justified by belonging to Christ.

Those who are His are 'Justified by Faith', one is Allowed to Enter into Christ, Grafted into Him, THRU FAITH, faith in His completed Atoning Appeasement at the tRee, the Cross, where He gave Himself, this the Work of the Father, not men in religion trying to appease God by how good they are and how Good they can be, not men/women claiming to be 'christian,' then turning around and yoking the Law and commandments back on those they try to seduce. no... OBEDIENCE and the Work of God is TO BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM the Father Sent, HIS complete atoning and perfect sacrifice at the Tree, CHRIST'S Righteousness Imputed unto the Convert upon belief , true belief, that He has ACCOMPLISHED IT ALL for the 'sinner'. God is able to KEEP those who are His Thru the Power of the Spirit, this IS WHY the Cross and its Preaching and the One Who Gave Himself there, is such an offence to the legalist and those who are working for salvation, it even becomes more diabolical when they claim to know Christ, yet attach the Law or 'work' to what already HAD BEEN ACCOMPLISHED! 'clever little clovers'!

I tell you Truly, he/she that entereth NOT by the Door into the Sheepfold, the same is a thief and a robber! But He that entereth in by the door, He is the Shepherd of the sheep, His Sheep hear His voice, a strangers voice they shall not follow but will flee from! Christ Himself is the DOOR OF THOSE SHEEP and they Hear His voice, the many voices that come along and say Christ, and Him Crucified + something more or something added to that...... instead of --->by Grace are ye saved thru Faith and this not of yourselves, it is the Gift of God. -----> those voices of Error, are just that.. voices of Error that always lead some back into a works salvation.. those who are His and understand what Grace and His election are all about.. plus they will UNDERSTAND how they BELONG TO CHRIST, and are grafted into the Vine, this not because of their WORKS.. but because of His Grace Mercy and Sovereign Will! Indeed!
 
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The flesh/the mind set on the flesh:

"The flesh" is an all encompassing term which basically means anything that our heart and naturally desires,thinks about and the fallen attitudes within us. It is naturally against God and against trusting God. It does not submit to Him and His will. This is a much bigger concept than simply, "Stop sinning", no it goes much deeper than that.

The flesh is naturally concerned with worldly things. Money, what we will eat, what we will wear, entertainment, comfort, pleasure, our ego, getting angry with people, seeking our own good, "living a good life", being liked/seen and praised by men and things of this nature.

The flesh worries when we are running late to an event, it makes sure it looks cool when a "beautiful" person is nearby, it desires to gaze upon that "beautiful" person, it worries when we lose our job, it tells us we need a job and money in order to live (I am not condemning these things), it tells us to be afraid when facing human opposition.

The flesh responds poorly when someone does us wrong or cuts us off in traffic, it gets annoyed, it's short tempered, it gets hungry, it gets thirsty, it has urges, it gets tired, stressed out, overwhelmed, the flesh worries about the tribulation, it fears pain and getting hurt, it fears persecution, it fears death.

The flesh tells us everything except to trust and obey our Father and the Son.

It cannot respond to Spiritual things because it does not understand Spiritual things. It only understands what it sees, feels, tastes, smells and hears. It is constantly influencing/controlling us in just about every way imaginable. The flesh naturally follows "The Law of Sin and Death". For from the flesh comes sin and from sin comes death.

Love and faith are the opposite of the flesh (love is not an emotion but your thoughts, words and actions):

1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends.

Jesus taught us to stop being led by our flesh, but to instead by led by love and the Spirit.
Here are a few verses will hep solidify this concept in your minds as they do for me:

Matthew 16
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

Luke 14
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. 27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? 29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’

Matthew 6
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Matthew 6
24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Matthew 5
21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Matthew 5
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Ephesians 2 - (Keep in mind, Paul addressed his letters to real Christians who obey God and walk by the Spirit. Not pseudo-Christians who walk by the flesh)

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

Romans 13
So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Galatians 6
7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. 8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Romans 7 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.


Romans 8
8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Galatians 5
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Romans 6
16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


 
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James 4
What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions[a] are at war within you? 2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. 4 You adulterous people![c] Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? 6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

1 Corinthians 5
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”


Philippians 3
17 Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us. 18 For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.


A few more examples of things that the flesh is concerned with: Politics, legislating sinners, the economy.