Modern day ancient Israel

[WheresEnoch]

We are justified by belonging to Christ.

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Those who are His are 'Justified by Faith', one is Allowed to Enter into Christ, Grafted into Him, THRU FAITH, faith in His completed Atoning Appeasement at the tRee, the Cross, where He gave Himself, this the Work of the Father, not men in religion trying to appease God by how good they are and how Good they can be, not men/women claiming to be 'christian,' then turning around and yoking the Law and commandments back on those they try to seduce. no... OBEDIENCE and the Work of God is TO BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM the Father Sent, HIS complete atoning and perfect sacrifice at the Tree, CHRIST'S Righteousness Imputed unto the Convert upon belief , true belief, that He has ACCOMPLISHED IT ALL for the 'sinner'. God is able to KEEP those who are His Thru the Power of the Spirit, this IS WHY the Cross and its Preaching and the One Who Gave Himself there, is such an offence to the legalist and those who are working for salvation, it even becomes more diabolical when they claim to know Christ, yet attach the Law or 'work' to what already HAD BEEN ACCOMPLISHED! 'clever little clovers'!

I tell you Truly, he/she that entereth NOT by the Door into the Sheepfold, the same is a thief and a robber! But He that entereth in by the door, He is the Shepherd of the sheep, His Sheep hear His voice, a strangers voice they shall not follow but will flee from! Christ Himself is the DOOR OF THOSE SHEEP and they Hear His voice, the many voices that come along and say Christ, and Him Crucified + something more or something added to that...... instead of --->by Grace are ye saved thru Faith and this not of yourselves, it is the Gift of God. -----> those voices of Error, are just that.. voices of Error that always lead some back into a works salvation.. those who are His and understand what Grace and His election are all about.. plus they will UNDERSTAND how they BELONG TO CHRIST, and are grafted into the Vine, this not because of their WORKS.. but because of His Grace Mercy and Sovereign Will! Indeed!

By walking according to the Spirit and putting the flesh to death. The alternative is the death of our soul, no matter how many times we ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

John 15
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. 9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

 

[WheresEnoch]

Many of you are missing the point of this whole thread. I did not start this thread to debate whether or not people should fully observe every law given by God to Moses.

My point is that most Christians are dead because they do not even observe the commands that we all can agree on.
My point is that they are walking by the flesh on the road to destruction.

Surely you are accountable to whatever commandments you think you are responsible for abiding by, once you are abiding in Christ, the Father will prune you to make you more fruitful and the Holy Spirit will lead you in all truth.

 

[WheresEnoch]

Here is another very important passage, pay close attention to it. Paul is addressing the arguments over 'who the corinthians are following', they are boasting in men. Notice that he is calling them worldly, saying they are living according to the flesh. They are not even sinning, they are simply being led by their flesh... That is why he calls them infants, unspiritual, babes in Christ.

Now if they were still engaging in willful sin, he would not be calling them Christians. Yet, they are Christians, only very immature as they are still led by the flesh and it's ideas.

They are respecting persons, denying the power of the Holy Spirit to lead and instead placing their faith in fleshly things, ideas and concepts.

1 Corinthians 3
3 But I, brothers,[a] could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, 3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?



​Much can be learned from this.

 

[WheresEnoch]

​Much can be learned from this.

Just stop and think about all the worldly ideas and concepts floating around in our own heads. The worldly things we place our trust in and desire. Compare it to the standard of Spirituality that God has given us here.

The mind set on the flesh truly is death

 

[WheresEnoch]

Here are some examples of what it looks like when people walk by the Spirit:

Acts 2
42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 And awe[e] came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people.


Acts 4
32 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold 35 and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. 36 Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, 37 sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.


Acts 7
The Stoning of Stephen
54 Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57 But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him. 58 Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

 

[WheresEnoch]

James 1
14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.

16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Hearing and Doing the Word
19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; 20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. 21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. 25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

 

[WheresEnoch]

We are justified by belonging to Christ.

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How does one 'get into Christ'? belong to Christ ----> if one is Justified by belonging to Christ.

Those who are His are 'Justified by Faith', one is Allowed to Enter into Christ, Grafted into Him, THRU FAITH, faith in His completed Atoning Appeasement at the tRee, the Cross, where He gave Himself, this the Work of the Father, not men in religion trying to appease God by how good they are and how Good they can be, not men/women claiming to be 'christian,' then turning around and yoking the Law and commandments back on those they try to seduce. no... OBEDIENCE and the Work of God is TO BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM the Father Sent, HIS complete atoning and perfect sacrifice at the Tree, CHRIST'S Righteousness Imputed unto the Convert upon belief , true belief, that He has ACCOMPLISHED IT ALL for the 'sinner'. God is able to KEEP those who are His Thru the Power of the Spirit, this IS WHY the Cross and its Preaching and the One Who Gave Himself there, is such an offence to the legalist and those who are working for salvation, it even becomes more diabolical when they claim to know Christ, yet attach the Law or 'work' to what already HAD BEEN ACCOMPLISHED! 'clever little clovers'!

I tell you Truly, he/she that entereth NOT by the Door into the Sheepfold, the same is a thief and a robber! But He that entereth in by the door, He is the Shepherd of the sheep, His Sheep hear His voice, a strangers voice they shall not follow but will flee from! Christ Himself is the DOOR OF THOSE SHEEP and they Hear His voice, the many voices that come along and say Christ, and Him Crucified + something more or something added to that...... instead of --->by Grace are ye saved thru Faith and this not of yourselves, it is the Gift of God. -----> those voices of Error, are just that.. voices of Error that always lead some back into a works salvation.. those who are His and understand what Grace and His election are all about.. plus they will UNDERSTAND how they BELONG TO CHRIST, and are grafted into the Vine, this not because of their WORKS.. but because of His Grace Mercy and Sovereign Will! Indeed!

I am sorry you have been lead to believe these things brother. I know it is difficult to see the truth when everywhere you look is error, I have been there too. Always be willing to test what you believe, discarding the beliefs which do not line up with God's Word. If you cling so strongly to things, and invest yourself so fully into them then you will not be willing or able to understand and accept truth. The beliefs you are clinging to are based on a mish-mash of scriptures, scriptures that do not actually teach the things you believe. I am not asking you to reject your beliefs blindly, but to open your current beliefs up to critical analysis. If you want to discuss scripture or something then please do.

What I am talking about is not a works based salvation. It is abiding in Christ/being born again by the Spirit salvation.
How do we know we share in Christ's death and therefore share in His life?
What does it look like?