Modern Day Pharisees

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And some came secretly as well...Nicodemus for one......It seems later though he openly walked with the disciples and was not afraid to be identified with Jesus.....

Phariseeism is alive and well today as well.....in those who

1. Teach their own righteousness and works for salvation and the right to enter the kingdom based upo such activities....
2. Those who teach religionism and religious adherance to some set of rules and or sacraments....
3. Those who think they are above sin and or better than a believer who will admit they have difficulty with sin

Etc........Alive and well I say........!
So true.
Just as we like to say, "The Jews did this", and "The Jews did that." Well all that stuff was mainly done by the greedy and power-hungry leaders of the Jew's religion.
 
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Example of Pharisees here

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.

Mat 22:16
And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.

Mat 22:17
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Mat 22:18
But Jesus perceived their wickedness,

and said, Why tempt ye me
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ye hypocrites?

Mat 22:19
Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

Mat 22:20
And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's.

Then saith he unto them,

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's;

and unto God the things that are God's
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Then after the other division of the Sadducees (which dont even believe in the ressurection) put out a scenario to tempt him also, to no avail he put them to silence

And when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.




 
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Examples of Pharisees

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn;
and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.

Mat 12:2
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him,
Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

Mat 12:3
But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

Mat 12:4
How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

Mat 12:5
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Mat 12:6
But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

Mat 12:6
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Mat 12:7
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
 
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The leaven can be the doctrine to beware of too.

Jesus said beware of the leaven of bother the Sadducees and the other

The Sadducees say

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection (snip here)

Seems like the leaven of the Sadduccees

1 Cr 15:12
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead,
how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Like it lingered over into the earliy church, that is saying there is no resurrection as they did

Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread,

but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
You are so close to nailing this

What we have in the oversimplified comparative observation is "covenant pple (pharasees) resisting the "new covenant/new thing"
More importantly why they did what they did.
They hated the power,and freedom of this "new thing"
IOW they despised the Covenant giver as a carrier of the HS (power).Had Jesus just stuck to expounding on the torah in the temple,the pharaseess would have been his greatest fan. Once he operated in the power (baptism of the HS,he became an enemy and was viciously hated. (sound familiar)

Modern day pharasees hate the power (HS)
They hate those operating in power. They hate those that do what Jesus did.
They are "mental" believers. They "..have a form of Godliness but deny the power there of"
They hate non tradition.(God always blah,blah,blah) ...God to them,is in THEIR box.
They are "covenant" believers that oppose covenant believers.
 
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You are so close to nailing this

What we have in the oversimplified comparative observation is "covenant pple (pharasees) resisting the "new covenant/new thing"
More importantly why they did what they did.
They hated the power,and freedom of this "new thing"
IOW they despised the Covenant giver as a carrier of the HS (power).Had Jesus just stuck to expounding on the torah in the temple,the pharaseess would have been his greatest fan. Once he operated in the power (baptism of the HS,he became an enemy and was viciously hated. (sound familiar)

Modern day pharasees hate the power (HS)
They hate those operating in power. They hate those that do what Jesus did.
They are "mental" believers. They "..have a form of Godliness but deny the power there of"
They hate non tradition.(God always blah,blah,blah) ...God to them,is in THEIR box.
They are "covenant" believers that oppose covenant believers.
In that one, I posted of the Sadducees though, both are adressed, but they say there is no resurrection (thats their doctrine) but Paul seems to be adressing that same doctrine in the early church as if that slipped in, even as there were those who introduced other doctrines, which spake of the resurrection being past.
 
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In that one, I posted of the Sadducees though, both are adressed, but they say there is no resurrection (thats their doctrine) but Paul seems to be adressing that same doctrine in the early church as if that slipped in, even as there were those who introduced other doctrines, which spake of the resurrection being past.
There are many facets.
I am specifically refering to how that "spirit" related to the power and freedom that Jesus operated in
 
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Woes unto the Pharisees and scribes

Mat 23:13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mat 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mat 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! forye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:16
Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

Mat 23:17
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

Mat 23:18
And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

Mat 23:19
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

Mat 23:20
Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

Mat 23:21
And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

Mat 23:22
And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

Mat 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Mat 23:24
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Mat 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:26
Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which iswithin the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Mat 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.

Mat 23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Mat 23:29
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Mat 23:30
And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

Mat 23:31
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Mat 23:32
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Mat 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Mat 23:34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Mat 23: 35
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Mat 23:36
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mat 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Mat 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Mat 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessedis he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
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Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses seat

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Mat 23:2
Saying,

The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Mat 23:3
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Mat 23:4
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

Mat 23:6
And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

Mat 23:7
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

Mat 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Mat 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Mat 23:10
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Mat 23:11
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Mat 23:12
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Then the same woe to you Pharisees comes in right after (here) as well
 
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Actually the Pharasee's were good church folk who followed more or less Therapeutic Moral deism - Angry when sinners showed their sinful side, standing on the "moral highground" Doing what they think is right, but not necessarily being led by the Holy Spirit
 
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Pharisees and Jesus healing a man on the sabbath day

Mar 3:1And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.

Mark 3:2
And they watched him,whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.

Mar 3:3
And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.

Mark 3:4
And he saith unto them,

Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil?

to save life, or to kill?

But they held their peace.


Mat 3:5
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

Mark 3:6
And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
 
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Actually the Pharasee's were good church folk who followed more or less Therapeutic Moral deism - Angry when sinners showed their sinful side, standing on the "moral highground"
Its says that there is no one without sin, and so the pharisees were telling the people to get the speck out from their eyes, but while they has an log in the front of theirs.

Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
 

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If we hate rebuke we despise our own soul. The only way we are to ever grow in our faith is if one is bold enough to speak truth to us. Some of the things I've argued harshest about are the things that the Lord was dealing with. If everyone just smiled and nodded at one another in sin or in err then unfortunately there would never be growth. I figure always pray Lord is there a root of truth in this accusation against me that I hold onto a truth that is not of you that hinders my relationship with you. I thank God that 5 of the people I'm closest to in my walk with Him are the 5 He sent to tell me of my err.
 
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Its says that there is no one without sin, and so the pharisees were telling the people to get the speck out from their eyes, but while they has an log in the front of theirs.

Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
sounds like some churchfolk to me
 
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Pharisees traditions washing stuff

Mark 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.

Mark 7:2
And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Mark 7:3
For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Mark 7:4
Andwhen they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

Mark 7:5
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teachingfor doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

After this is posted on another previous post
 
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Pharisees which believed

Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

Acts 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:6
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

They concluded

Acts 15:10
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 15:19
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Then they wrote

Acts 15:24
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.



 
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And Im tired of anything Pharisee for the moment
 

tribesman

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Modern day Pharisees follows the ways of their ancient predecessors, they are strong advocates of free-will in spiritual matters, having a shallow sin concept and boasting in self and in their own efforts, which they set their hope to for their right standing with God. Self righteous people are always "holier than thou", because their focus is self and comparing self to other men. There are plenty of them all around and also here at this board.
 

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Pharisees which believed

Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

Acts 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:6
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

They concluded

Acts 15:10
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 15:19
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Then they wrote

Acts 15:24
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.



This is true, of course. These believing former Pharisees, like Paul, counted their former false religion as dung.

[h=3]Phil.3[/h][1] Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
[2] Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
[3] For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
[4] Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
[5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
[6] Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[7] But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
[8] Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[10] That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
 
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Yeah, Paul didnt promote being a pharisee
 

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AuphirahQueen, I apologize for my attitude here, and I make no excuse for my actions but for one:

I despise modern day Pharisees who shut out the Kingdom of Heaven against others. They're hypocrites who do not love their neighbors. They push people away from having faith in, trust in and a loving relationship with Jesus Christ.

Most people in life are hurting in one way or another, and rather than sharing God's love and grace with others, our modern day Pharisees kick people when they're down, and it ticks me off! That's why I come out swinging, but I'm trying really hard to change. Thanks for this thread.