Mormons

[ShyForHim]

Too much hostility in this thread...

 

[HollyLoree]

Too much hostility in this thread...

Well I apologize. I do become angry when I see slanderous talk about denominations not here to defend themselves. I hate slander.

 

[ShyForHim]

Well I apologize. I do become angry when I see slanderous talk about denominations not here to defend themselves. I hate slander.

Is that God's love? You guys could have simply taken it to the private messaging, just saying..

 

[matt7777777]

Well i have read through all of yalls comments about mormons it seems none think they are christians but as holly has pointed out you shouldnt judge something you know nothing about so saturday im meeting with some mormons to get there side of the dicussion after which ill decide wether i belive they should be considerd christians or not..... thank you all for your post an God bless.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I read that blog you posted. That woman came from a Haitian background. That's why she uses Moshe Rabbenu as a symbol of Satan. There was nothing heretical about her blog. Obviously you just didn't understand her. When she metaphorically asks Moses, "are we feminists right in saying that Asherah was just the Canaanite articulation of the Holy Spirit and not really another God?" She was asking an honest question! Obviously you didn't understand that question. All she was asking (her virtual Moses) was if the Canannites actually were worshipping the Holy Spirit when they worshiped, but they just called Him Asherah. It's just a question. Again, she said in this article she'd like to ask Moses some questions when she was talking about some mountaintop experience. Oh my gosh! Heresy heresy! I think we should condemn every last Methodist right now for that! Maybe you should read through articles and try to understand them better as well as see people as individuals rather than making their seemed opinions on something represent entire world-wide denominations.

By the way. I have known many Methodists. One family in particular I have known for 20 years. I've gone to their church, attended Sunday school with them, eaten countless meals at their house, including holiday meals. I've attended countless Bible studies with them. I do KNOW Methodists. You DON'T. You clearly only know what you see on the internet, and you obviously don't even interpret that right.

The world calls what you do "trash talk". You're good at it. Great example to the world!

she wasn't just asking a question...she was also articulating her own view...

the exact wording of her question was..."Are we feminists right in saying that Asherah was just the Canaanite articulation of the Holy Spirit and not really another God?"

the phrase 'are we feminists right in saying' indicates that she herself...along with others in the ideology she identifies with...holds to this view that asherah is the holy spirit...

the question is...if these liberal protestant denominations are -not- thoroughly permeated with false doctrine and toleration of false doctrine...then why hasn't the ELCA fired her from their seminary? why hasn't the episcopal church removed her from their priesthood?

also...i should point out that the offending 'question' in her blog post was actually directed at -eliajh-...not moses as you thought... and also she isn't a methodist and i never said she was...

you were saying about not correctly interpreting what you read on the internet?

i have known many united methodists too...and many of them don't realize what their church actually teaches these days... i have also known united methodist pastors that subscribe to the teaching of john shelby spong...in other words they are practically atheists and they don't believe even the most basic things the bible teaches...things like jesus actually rising from dead... i have also read commentaries published by the united methodist church and seen places where they dismiss whole scriptural truths as mere human opinion...

and as i mentioned before i have read -in their own words- what the theological leadership of these denominations -actually believes-

you on the other hand ate dinner at someone's house and thereby became an expert in their denomination's theology? that isn't how it works...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Too much hostility in this thread...

wherever there is truth there are people who will receive it with hostility...

 

[SparkleEyes]

whether or not mormons are christians depends on your definition of christianity...

to be accurate...if your definition of christianity rules out mormonism...it very likely also rules out the majority of methodists and lutherans and presbyterians...

No Rachel. You are making more about the differences between denominations. Mormons are VERY different than Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, non-d, Presbyterians.....whereas, the Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, non-d and such are more alike.

 

[Alysa825]

I have had Mormons come to my door and explain who they are. They believe in Christ, do I would consider them some form of Christians, but I would never convert. The reason is because they do not use the bible. They use a book similar to the bible created by the founder of their religion. They say the Lord spoke to him and told him to build one unified church (rather than having all these different denominations that separate us), which is all good. My problem with them using a different book is that, before Christianity, there was Judaism-- only the old testament, but in many places in that book they talk about one who is coming-- Jesus, and we followed him. Yes, there are many men and women of God today whose names are not in the bible, but they do not go making a book separate from the bible and tell us to use that instead. They continue instructing us from the bible. I believe that if God wanted us to switch from the bible to another holy book then he would have told us about it somewhere in the bible, like he did when we went from using the old testament only, to now having a new testament with all of Jesus' teaching.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

No Rachel. You are making more about the differences between denominations. Mormons are VERY different than Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, non-d, Presbyterians.....whereas, the Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, non-d and such are more alike.

like i said to someone else...the liberal protestant denominations are -very- different from traditional lutheranism and wesleyan methodism and so on...just as different as mormonism at this point...

 

[maxwel]

Well i have read through all of yalls comments about mormons it seems none think they are christians but as holly has pointed out you shouldnt judge something you know nothing about so saturday im meeting with some mormons to get there side of the dicussion after which ill decide wether i belive they should be considerd christians or not..... thank you all for your post an God bless.

You might be jumping to conclusions.

I grew up in the mormon church, and I feel perfectly qualified to discuss their beliefs.

You might also find that some of the people on CC have done a fair amount of study on the subject.

I can tell you one thing for certain:
although the mormon missionaries will be very nice fellows,
you will, in NO WAY, get any clear or succinct doctrinal information from them.
They are trained to explain things in very particular ways, in order not to reveal
ANY of their deeper, or more controversial, doctrinal truths.
But have fun.
: )

 

[Ariel82]

And finally, regarding Lucifer or the devil:

According to LDS doctrine, the two oldest sons of God were Jesus and Lucifer. Lucifer convinced one-third of his brothers and sisters to join him in rebellion and were expelled from Heaven (see Gospel Principles, chapter 3). The other two-thirds became the humans born on our earth. This doctrine is mainly drawn from Joseph Smith's revelations in the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price. According to Joseph Smith, Moses recorded:
LDS Teaching on Lucifer

ummm the above teaching makes it vastly different than most protestant denominations.....

 

[SarahM777]

No Rachel. You are making more about the differences between denominations. Mormons are VERY different than Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, non-d, Presbyterians.....whereas, the Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, non-d and such are more alike.

UMM Not even all the Lutheran denominations are even close to believing the same things. The ELCA is very liberal in their theology. Missouri and Wisconsin synods are much more strict and rigid in their theology. Sorry even within the Lutheran church you go from one side to the other and we need to be aware of what they teach before we ever become members and a line ourselves with that denomination.

 

[HollyLoree]

Is that God's love? You guys could have simply taken it to the private messaging, just saying..

I don't think so. This is a public forum. Anyone can read what's written here, member or no. And the Methodists, Lutherans, and Presbyterians were being publically slandered. Hence, I did my best to publically defend them. Yeah, I think God and Jesus defend us when necessary. I believe they would want me to do the same.

 

[HollyLoree]

ummm the above teaching makes it vastly different than most protestant denominations.....

Exactly. "Vastly" is a good word. "Massively" might be even better.

 

[HollyLoree]

Well i have read through all of yalls comments about mormons it seems none think they are christians but as holly has pointed out you shouldnt judge something you know nothing about so saturday im meeting with some mormons to get there side of the dicussion after which ill decide wether i belive they should be considerd christians or not..... thank you all for your post an God bless.

It's always good to search these things out for yourself. You could make some good friends there anyway. Then, if you decide you don't agree with their theology, you can explain to them in love and as a friend. I've talked to a few Mormons. I have some in-laws that are Mormons. I'm afraid most don't know that much about the roots of their church. They themselves live basically Christian lives, and they pray to God in Jesus' name. Getting into good, quality discussions with them can benefit everyone if handled correctly. I think it's always a huge mistake to demonize individual people within such denominations. They are not the people who set those denominations up, nor are they the people that run it. Again, they are individuals, and it's individuals Christ wants.

Do always remember Christ's warning though. You test the spirits. 1)They cannot contradict scriptures. 2) They must confess Jesus Christ as the only Son of God and the only way to the Father. 3) Their fruits must be good.

God be with you.

 

[HollyLoree]

she wasn't just asking a question...she was also articulating her own view...

the exact wording of her question was..."Are we feminists right in saying that Asherah was just the Canaanite articulation of the Holy Spirit and not really another God?"

the phrase 'are we feminists right in saying' indicates that she herself...along with others in the ideology she identifies with...holds to this view that asherah is the holy spirit...

the question is...if these liberal protestant denominations are -not- thoroughly permeated with false doctrine and toleration of false doctrine...then why hasn't the ELCA fired her from their seminary? why hasn't the episcopal church removed her from their priesthood?

also...i should point out that the offending 'question' in her blog post was actually directed at -eliajh-...not moses as you thought... and also she isn't a methodist and i never said she was...

you were saying about not correctly interpreting what you read on the internet?

i have known many united methodists too...and many of them don't realize what their church actually teaches these days... i have also known united methodist pastors that subscribe to the teaching of john shelby spong...in other words they are practically atheists and they don't believe even the most basic things the bible teaches...things like jesus actually rising from dead... i have also read commentaries published by the united methodist church and seen places where they dismiss whole scriptural truths as mere human opinion...

and as i mentioned before i have read -in their own words- what the theological leadership of these denominations -actually believes-

you on the other hand ate dinner at someone's house and thereby became an expert in their denomination's theology? that isn't how it works...

Sorry, but I still think it was a perfectly legitimate question. She's asking if it was the Holy Spirit and not some foreign God? But I don't think we could possibly ever understand each other on this, so I'll stop trying. Again.

 

[HollyLoree]

wherever there is truth there are people who will receive it with hostility...

You know what they say: "It's only what you learn after you think you know everything that really counts." I wouldn't ever claim to know the absolute truth about other people's hearts. I only know for sure that God does. It's a terrible thing to be so pompous. It means you've become unteachable.

 

[Christabel]

well, if I was to say, yea they're Christians, than I would be leading you to go and be with them in their churches and become apart of what it is they're into, so my answer would be, those who follow the teachings of Christ, those are the Christians.

I hardly think that's true. Anyone with a brain would study the doctrine of a church to make sure he or she agrees with everything in it before joining a denomination. However, there are over 2,000 Christian denominations in this world at this point in time. I certainly don't assume people who interpret various aspects of scripture differently than I do heretics or false prophets or whatever. I figure they just haven't got full knowledge of the truth yet, or I don't. Christ said to believe on Him, and that if we love Him to keep His commandments. If these people strive to do that with all their hearts, I certainly don't judge them, and I hope they don't judge me. When Christ comes, He'll personally settle all these issues. Until then? I believe on Him as He asked me to; I love Him with all my heart, soul and mind, and I strive with the help of the Holy Spirit to keep His commandments as best I understand them. I know that's all He requires of me. And I believe that's true of everyone. Christ never said, "though shalt have-- and understand a perfect set of doctrines."

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Sorry, but I still think it was a perfectly legitimate question. She's asking if it was the Holy Spirit and not some foreign God? But I don't think we could possibly ever understand each other on this, so I'll stop trying. Again.

well considering God hated the asherah idols...prohibiting them and commanding their destruction...the answer to that 'question' seems quite obvious...

but for some reason both you and this false teacher don't seem to be satisfied by the way the bible plainly answers this 'question'...i wonder why?

 

[littlemissmanda]

Is this christian chat site for mormons or christians? because i'm so confused, I started speaking to someone, who i've later found out is a mormon, and I aint, now I don't know what to do, because I always got told by my dad they aren't consideredto be 'christian's, and that they follow different stuff, and things like that. I want to carry on talking to this friend on here, he offers a lot of useful advice and helps me, but I should be careful so my dad says. Any help on this?