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You are correct in saying that God's law is not obsolete. HOWEVER, in the New Covenant God made it spiritual instead of physical. For example, they had physical circumcision, we have spiritual circumcision of the heart. They had God's law written on tablets (physical), we have God's law written on our hearts (spiritual). They had a physically perfect lamb, we have a spiritually perfect Lamb.
You know how Jesus compares physical things to spiritual things in His parables? Well that's what God did with the Old and new testaments. The physical laws- such as stoning a sinner to death outside the city, or physically resting on a physical day, Christ completed them, then nailed those to the cross.
We are no longer under Moses, but under Christ (Romans 7:1-4). God says to rightly divide the Word. You cannot drag Old Testament laws into the New Testament. Does that mean we don't obey the Ten Commandments including not to murder? God's law was not nailed to the cross- only the physical way of doing that law. Under Christ, the spiritual way of doing God's law, if you hate your brother you are already guilty of murder- whether you carry it out physically or not.
The Bible says that if you obey a law, then you must obey all of that law. If you go back to obeying God's law physically, and you can handle paying for things with animals and stoning certain sinners outside the city, how are you going to find a 2,000 year old high priest to sacrifice animals on behalf of your sin? You cannot use Jesus as your high priest- because that is under the New Covenant. For you cannot be under Moses and Christ at the same time- that's committing spiritual adultery (Romans7:1-4).
We are not under the physical laws of the old covenant/Old Testament.
You know how Jesus compares physical things to spiritual things in His parables? Well that's what God did with the Old and new testaments. The physical laws- such as stoning a sinner to death outside the city, or physically resting on a physical day, Christ completed them, then nailed those to the cross.
We are no longer under Moses, but under Christ (Romans 7:1-4). God says to rightly divide the Word. You cannot drag Old Testament laws into the New Testament. Does that mean we don't obey the Ten Commandments including not to murder? God's law was not nailed to the cross- only the physical way of doing that law. Under Christ, the spiritual way of doing God's law, if you hate your brother you are already guilty of murder- whether you carry it out physically or not.
The Bible says that if you obey a law, then you must obey all of that law. If you go back to obeying God's law physically, and you can handle paying for things with animals and stoning certain sinners outside the city, how are you going to find a 2,000 year old high priest to sacrifice animals on behalf of your sin? You cannot use Jesus as your high priest- because that is under the New Covenant. For you cannot be under Moses and Christ at the same time- that's committing spiritual adultery (Romans7:1-4).
We are not under the physical laws of the old covenant/Old Testament.
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Yes, for those who have received the Holy Spirit, all is spiritual, including the law, but this new understanding in the Holy Spirit takes nothing away from approaching and obeying the law in the spirit and with understanding.
Again, when our Lord died for us on the cross He became a curse for us, and the curse was destroyed on the croos for us who believe.
Because of this we no longer need fear the curse of the law..........this does not render the law obsolete, stupid or unnecessary to read for the edification, prophesy, wisdom and more that it contains. Being now spiritual we know which laws are no longer. Also having studied the Word inits entirity we know the purpose of the law and how it is to be understood according to the teachings of Jesus Christ for He does teach the law clarified and fulfilled by Him. Do not think fulflled here is to be interpreted as obsolte.......
Again, when our Lord died for us on the cross He became a curse for us, and the curse was destroyed on the croos for us who believe.
Because of this we no longer need fear the curse of the law..........this does not render the law obsolete, stupid or unnecessary to read for the edification, prophesy, wisdom and more that it contains. Being now spiritual we know which laws are no longer. Also having studied the Word inits entirity we know the purpose of the law and how it is to be understood according to the teachings of Jesus Christ for He does teach the law clarified and fulfilled by Him. Do not think fulflled here is to be interpreted as obsolte.......
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
It is also written in this same chapter and in the OT, cursed be any who are under the law who do not perform ever law writteen, paraphrsed but contianing that meaning.
I hope no one here who has read my posts or the posts of any who believe in obeying th law according to Jesus Christ's teachings think for one moment we obey all of the laws, no, we are not guided by that written code for the writtn code kills. We do however read teh law and know by the Holy Spirit which are and which are not just as wise as when they were given to moses by the Holy Spirit.
Or do you thing we who kow we are childre of obedience believe we may habitually break God's laws? Do not teach grace as licesnse for we who are obedient know we are saed by grace alone. Do not accuse the obedient chldren of being inslaved by the law, for this is a blasphemy of the Savior, Jesus Christ.
If you grace-only folks are terrified of the law, then the law has not had its curse of death conquered for you.
Faith in God is the product of love. Loving God, our Father, we must obey Him as well as we are given to be able. Any lack is taken care of by grace. Those who do not study the laws are definitely lacking its wisdom, prophcy, and all other understanding it affords. Are you afraid you will start sacrificing lambs and goats for your sins? If not, you have nothing to concern yourselves with about obeying God, just have faith founded and love and obey.
God bless the obedient children in Jesus Christ, amen.
It is also written in this same chapter and in the OT, cursed be any who are under the law who do not perform ever law writteen, paraphrsed but contianing that meaning.
I hope no one here who has read my posts or the posts of any who believe in obeying th law according to Jesus Christ's teachings think for one moment we obey all of the laws, no, we are not guided by that written code for the writtn code kills. We do however read teh law and know by the Holy Spirit which are and which are not just as wise as when they were given to moses by the Holy Spirit.
Or do you thing we who kow we are childre of obedience believe we may habitually break God's laws? Do not teach grace as licesnse for we who are obedient know we are saed by grace alone. Do not accuse the obedient chldren of being inslaved by the law, for this is a blasphemy of the Savior, Jesus Christ.
If you grace-only folks are terrified of the law, then the law has not had its curse of death conquered for you.
Faith in God is the product of love. Loving God, our Father, we must obey Him as well as we are given to be able. Any lack is taken care of by grace. Those who do not study the laws are definitely lacking its wisdom, prophcy, and all other understanding it affords. Are you afraid you will start sacrificing lambs and goats for your sins? If not, you have nothing to concern yourselves with about obeying God, just have faith founded and love and obey.
God bless the obedient children in Jesus Christ, amen.
Gosh, I am becoming like the g-o folks. I just cannot keep quiet.
Here is a thought for all on this subject.
If all children of disobdience who come to Jesus Christ receive grace providing they truly are repentant, does the g-o form of grace mean that grace is now an excuse to continue in disobedience?
You know when the Kingdom has replaced this age and its material existence, that is after the fire next time, all suffering, all sorrow, all evil and all other melevolence of which you may think will be separated from the Kingdom All of that evil sgtems fromdisobedience.
Praise God Almighty, those who turn to being children of obedience will live forevermore in the presence of our Father and in joy, gladness and all else that is living and good, amen.
Here is a thought for all on this subject.
If all children of disobdience who come to Jesus Christ receive grace providing they truly are repentant, does the g-o form of grace mean that grace is now an excuse to continue in disobedience?
You know when the Kingdom has replaced this age and its material existence, that is after the fire next time, all suffering, all sorrow, all evil and all other melevolence of which you may think will be separated from the Kingdom All of that evil sgtems fromdisobedience.
Praise God Almighty, those who turn to being children of obedience will live forevermore in the presence of our Father and in joy, gladness and all else that is living and good, amen.
The gospel does not contain the Law of Moses. the doifference is that the Law was given to sinners with no rebirth to the hard hearted one example after another
this is the Law concerning divorce ...deuteronomy 24:1 ""When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house,
this is what Jesus said in His ministry....matthew 531-32 "“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[SUP]f[/SUP] 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
How then are you going to say Jesus command to not divorce your wife but for marital unfaithfulness, is Jesus teaching us to obey the Law which says " if your wife displeases you divorce her and write her a divorce certificate?
Im sorry you disagree but you are missing this very imoportant point
do you not understand that paaul constantly defended christians when Judiazers came Behind Him, teaching the christians that they must obey the Law of moses? and pauls constant teaching that they are dead to the mosaic Law? The Law of moses was the first covenants law, when Jesus died, it was accomplished, finished.
romans 7:1 "Do you not know, brothers and sisters--for I am speaking to those who know the law--that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?"
romans 7:4-6 "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP]a[/SUP] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
when you are baptized, according to God, you died. you died in order that the Law is fulfilled because it ends when the sinner is put to death. the Law of moses did not continue into the afterlife. it is absolutely seperate from the Gospel. anything that still applies Jesus taught. the 10 commandments 100 percent valid, taught by Jesus. the numerous ordinances, rules , details outward regulations no longer apply to THOSE IN CHRIST. i stand by what i said 100 percent. Jesus ministry is not " how to really obey the Law, it is the perfect Law that brings freedom from sin. in order to be in Christ, we must die to what bound us. the Law was perfect, the problem was that man became sinners. the result then was death to all who were under the Law. Jesus brought the Kingdom of God. the Law has zero authority over Christians. those who hope in the mosaic Law, are Jewish, those who practice all the commands of the Law, and the gospel....they are christians who will be great in Heaven. the christian who follows Jesus Christ is a christian. the Law is in no way the gospel, yet to your point, the gospel is in opart Hidden in the Law, but was not acceopted by those in the desert. 2 different ministries Judiasm, and christianity. sorry we disagree...God bless you though anyways ! to make clear...the Law is good.......
If you will listen carefully to the Holy Spirit within you, you will most likely follow many of those laws. Let's put it like this.
there are two unforgivable sins. One of them is Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. How do you do that? If you choose not to listen to him and decide to follow a course of want, greed, etc. , you are in danger of doing just that.
Who is saying the Law is stupid or unuseful or anything like that? The fact is if you have faith in Jesus Christ, you died to the authority of the Law and the New covenant makes the Old obsolete, the mosaic Law was the Law of that covenant. it is seperate from the Gospel. again as in the op and a few other comments. the Law is good, useful for learning righteousness, useful for learning what sin is, what is right and wrong, useful to aquire wisdom is to be revered , studied but...it does not in any way govern a christian. Im not at all saying lets go disobey Gods Law given through moses....Im sayng that according to the holy scriptures, the Law of moses is obsolete along with the entire old covenant. in regards to christianity. the Law of moses is good, righteous, holy. but did you know that the good righteous and holy Law of moses, actually made sin increas in mankind? and that it was even partly for that Purpose?
ill give scriptures pretty clearly saying this. but first think about it just for a moment. if a person is rebellious by thoier nature, what happens when you tell them what NOT to do? take a rebellious natured Liar and tell them do not lie, ever? according to scripture because we WERE sinners on the inside, by our nature objects of wrath, when the Law came it produced ever kind of sinful desire in us. we were rebels give a rebel a rule and they will desire to break that rule is the Point, the gospel is different. By the knowledge we died to that Law, we died to sin, we died to who we were ect.....there is life because our debt to the Law has already been paid, the Law has no authority over those who Belong to Jesus Christ. "everything was accomplished according to Law when Jesus died. that applies to us because we also died with Him romans 6-7. we are to believe we died on the cross in order that according to Law we are Justified, paid in full the sentance of Death, that is the only result of the Law it is temporal, a part of the foundation of Gods Plan this is what the Law did.
Honestly just want you to consider these scriptures, they are in context whixh is why i always use so much scripture so that context cant really be argued, yet people still find a reason to omit what they wish but as a friend hinestly consider these
romans 7:4-13 "So, my brothers and sisters, YOU ALSO DIED TO THE LAW through the body of Christ, that you might BELONG TO ANOTHER, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP]a[/SUP] the SINFUL PASSIONS AROUSED BY LAW were at work IN US, so that we bore FRUIT FOR DEATH. 6But now, by DYING TO WHAT ONCE BOUND US, we have been RELEASED FROM THE LAW so that we SERVE in the NEW WAY of the Spirit, and not in the OLD WAY of the written code.
7What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 8But sin, seizing the OPPORTUNITY AFFORDED BY THE COMMANDMENT, produced IN ME every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9Once I was alive apart from the law; but WHEN THE COMMANDMENT CAME, sin sprang to life and I DIED. 10I found that the very commandment that was INTENDED TO BRING LIFE actually BROUGHT DEATH. 11For SIN, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, DECIEVED ME, and THROUGH THE COMMANDMENT PUT ME TO DEATH. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good TO BRING ABOUT MY DEATH, so that through the commandment SIN MIGHT BECOME UTTERLY SINFUL."
whats being said here my friend? honestly there is sooooooo much value to grasping this concept. The holy commandment produced death to mankind, not because it was bad or flawed....but because prior to Jesus WE were just no good, sinners without Hope or true righteousness. the Law brings death to mankind because we are sinners, and the wages of sin is death according to the very same Law. anyone who sins must die according to Law. because mankind were sinners, the only result of Law is death. thats exactly why we have to die through Christ, to remove the Law that demands our death because we are imperfect. the perfect One came and died for us, and we died with Him to the ministry that was our death ( the Law).
galatians 2:19-21 "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”"
Jresus died to free us from what Kept us in death, because of sin living in us the Law condemned us we had no hope under Law, Jesus saved us from that condemnation, and also much more Gave us the brand new and eternal covenant of Life, the ministry of Life that conforms us to Christ.
2 corinthians 3:6-18 "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ( john 6:63)7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!12Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[SUP]a[/SUP] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."
all im asking of you, is to study these in your own bible and really consider Just whats there in your bible with an open mind PRAYERFULLY, i think if you would do that, you will doscover some valuable truth to add to the Knowledge you already possess. God bless you
ill give scriptures pretty clearly saying this. but first think about it just for a moment. if a person is rebellious by thoier nature, what happens when you tell them what NOT to do? take a rebellious natured Liar and tell them do not lie, ever? according to scripture because we WERE sinners on the inside, by our nature objects of wrath, when the Law came it produced ever kind of sinful desire in us. we were rebels give a rebel a rule and they will desire to break that rule is the Point, the gospel is different. By the knowledge we died to that Law, we died to sin, we died to who we were ect.....there is life because our debt to the Law has already been paid, the Law has no authority over those who Belong to Jesus Christ. "everything was accomplished according to Law when Jesus died. that applies to us because we also died with Him romans 6-7. we are to believe we died on the cross in order that according to Law we are Justified, paid in full the sentance of Death, that is the only result of the Law it is temporal, a part of the foundation of Gods Plan this is what the Law did.
Honestly just want you to consider these scriptures, they are in context whixh is why i always use so much scripture so that context cant really be argued, yet people still find a reason to omit what they wish but as a friend hinestly consider these
romans 7:4-13 "So, my brothers and sisters, YOU ALSO DIED TO THE LAW through the body of Christ, that you might BELONG TO ANOTHER, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP]a[/SUP] the SINFUL PASSIONS AROUSED BY LAW were at work IN US, so that we bore FRUIT FOR DEATH. 6But now, by DYING TO WHAT ONCE BOUND US, we have been RELEASED FROM THE LAW so that we SERVE in the NEW WAY of the Spirit, and not in the OLD WAY of the written code.
7What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 8But sin, seizing the OPPORTUNITY AFFORDED BY THE COMMANDMENT, produced IN ME every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9Once I was alive apart from the law; but WHEN THE COMMANDMENT CAME, sin sprang to life and I DIED. 10I found that the very commandment that was INTENDED TO BRING LIFE actually BROUGHT DEATH. 11For SIN, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, DECIEVED ME, and THROUGH THE COMMANDMENT PUT ME TO DEATH. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good TO BRING ABOUT MY DEATH, so that through the commandment SIN MIGHT BECOME UTTERLY SINFUL."
whats being said here my friend? honestly there is sooooooo much value to grasping this concept. The holy commandment produced death to mankind, not because it was bad or flawed....but because prior to Jesus WE were just no good, sinners without Hope or true righteousness. the Law brings death to mankind because we are sinners, and the wages of sin is death according to the very same Law. anyone who sins must die according to Law. because mankind were sinners, the only result of Law is death. thats exactly why we have to die through Christ, to remove the Law that demands our death because we are imperfect. the perfect One came and died for us, and we died with Him to the ministry that was our death ( the Law).
galatians 2:19-21 "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”"
Jresus died to free us from what Kept us in death, because of sin living in us the Law condemned us we had no hope under Law, Jesus saved us from that condemnation, and also much more Gave us the brand new and eternal covenant of Life, the ministry of Life that conforms us to Christ.
2 corinthians 3:6-18 "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ( john 6:63)7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!12Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[SUP]a[/SUP] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."
all im asking of you, is to study these in your own bible and really consider Just whats there in your bible with an open mind PRAYERFULLY, i think if you would do that, you will doscover some valuable truth to add to the Knowledge you already possess. God bless you
how do you hear the holy spirit though? how does a person tell the difference in our own thought, and the leading of the spirit?
john 6:63 -64..."The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[SUP]e[/SUP] and life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”"
john 14:26 "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
the words of Jesus Christ are the Words of God in all authority, and God is spirit.
john 6:63 -64..."The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[SUP]e[/SUP] and life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”"
john 14:26 "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
the words of Jesus Christ are the Words of God in all authority, and God is spirit.
when we live in a house, we know a foundation is there. the foundation of christianity is judaism. the jewish religion, governed by the mosaic Law. this first covenant is obsolete, and we are not under the Laws authority. its confusing when we think judaism is christianity or visa versa. its confusing to have One law saying " stone the sinner" and Jesus saying " let He who is without sin cast the first stone...Neither do i condemn you" 2 religions one is death and can only ever result in death, the other is Life to those who accept and Believe Jesus the CHRIST.
hebrews 8:13 "By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."
My position is now and always has and will be, the ministry of Jesus Christ is the Kingdom of God, the Law of moses, is judaism they do not go together one is old and fading will end with the world, the other is new and ternally true and authoritative. Jesus words are different than all others. He is Greater, He is the One promised throughout old testament scripture would come and that we must Listen to Him. He is the One who was foretold God would put His own words in His mouth. the Christ is the One who would Bring Salvation, not moses, nor paul. Jesus.
why do we suppose paul spent so much tinme defending the church against judaizers who came after Him and tried to make the christians adhere to mosaic Law? the book of galatians the first 4 chapters are all about this as well as much of pauls writing. the dire mistake is to teach that Jesus taught the mosaic Law as the gospel, because if a person believes that, then you learn that the Law doesnt apply anymore boom...satan has ommited the Words of the Lord, the Savior, the way, truth and Life who spoke the new and eternal Covenant the Kingdom of God.
we Know the house we Live in Has a foundation, but we dwell above the foundation, inside the finished Home. if a person wants to obey the Law of moses thats great, but to obey it, means we obey all of it and are bound also by its restrictions. its best to take the Law, study and learn from it...But to obey and follow and trust in the Things Jesus taught. which are different than Law
the Law says if your wife displeases you give her a certificate of divorce...Jesus says if you divorce your wife except for unfaithfulness...you are now and adulterer" 2 different directives. one its okay to divorce if ur unhappy, the other, its not okay to divorce unless your spouse is unfaithful.
in the Law, the diseased, the lame, crippled the physically imperfect are forbidden to come close to God, in the new covenant He takes them By the Hand and Heals them through Jesus Christ........different principles. one sprang from the other, but the new is all there is.
hebrews 8:13 "By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."
My position is now and always has and will be, the ministry of Jesus Christ is the Kingdom of God, the Law of moses, is judaism they do not go together one is old and fading will end with the world, the other is new and ternally true and authoritative. Jesus words are different than all others. He is Greater, He is the One promised throughout old testament scripture would come and that we must Listen to Him. He is the One who was foretold God would put His own words in His mouth. the Christ is the One who would Bring Salvation, not moses, nor paul. Jesus.
why do we suppose paul spent so much tinme defending the church against judaizers who came after Him and tried to make the christians adhere to mosaic Law? the book of galatians the first 4 chapters are all about this as well as much of pauls writing. the dire mistake is to teach that Jesus taught the mosaic Law as the gospel, because if a person believes that, then you learn that the Law doesnt apply anymore boom...satan has ommited the Words of the Lord, the Savior, the way, truth and Life who spoke the new and eternal Covenant the Kingdom of God.
we Know the house we Live in Has a foundation, but we dwell above the foundation, inside the finished Home. if a person wants to obey the Law of moses thats great, but to obey it, means we obey all of it and are bound also by its restrictions. its best to take the Law, study and learn from it...But to obey and follow and trust in the Things Jesus taught. which are different than Law
the Law says if your wife displeases you give her a certificate of divorce...Jesus says if you divorce your wife except for unfaithfulness...you are now and adulterer" 2 different directives. one its okay to divorce if ur unhappy, the other, its not okay to divorce unless your spouse is unfaithful.
in the Law, the diseased, the lame, crippled the physically imperfect are forbidden to come close to God, in the new covenant He takes them By the Hand and Heals them through Jesus Christ........different principles. one sprang from the other, but the new is all there is.
deuteronomy 18:15-19 "The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16For this is what you asked of the Lordyour God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”17The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name."
A promise of the Christ to come. the Law of Moses was in authority then, Jesus is now. Jesus ministry is the Law of the spirit of Life. the Law of Moses though holy and good, brought death to sinners, and all were sinners. Jesus died. death is the end of the Mosaic Law. i would encourage all those who think obeying the mosaic Law is the way to learn every precept opf it and start changing thier Life, what foods they eat, which holy days to keep, find som sacrificial animals, gather some stones to toss at sinners, start gathering 2 or three witnesses to accuse people ect. from exodus to deuteronomy, leviticus, numbers.......thats the mosaic Law or ": the book of the Law" this is how the book of Law works
joshua 1:7-8 "Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. 8Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do EVERYTHING written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful."
dont expect blessing until youve perfected the obedience to it, and byu the way, when you pass away, the Law does not offer eternal Life.......and really consider that in Jesus ministry every righteous requirement found in the Law, is illuminated and authorized By the only authority there is in Gods Kingdom. to master both the gospel and the Law.......id be impressed. Just seems hard to ccast stones at others, and not cast stones at the same time. or to repay evil an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth life for Life, and forgive, turn the other cheek and let revenge belong to God at the same time...to carefully never repay evil with evil, and also blow for blow Justice to my silly mind seems contradictory. to divorce for any ole reason, yet only divoprce for marital unfaithfulness on the other hand seems hmm difficult.
when we sort through the Law and choose what to obey.....it fails to be the Law
james 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
Id rather Just do the word taught By Jesus and Know thats Gods Will......
Deuteronomy 30 :24-26 "After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from BEGINNING TO END, 25he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord: 26“Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God. There it will remain as a witness AGAINST YOU."
remember the ark of the covenant disappeared from the earth long before Jesus came. everything in the Law was a pattern of what was coming in Jesus. Jesus is the new moses, His ministry the new Law the "Law of the spirit of Life"," the perfect Law that brings freedom" the temple is now opur bodies , remeber the temple in jerusalem was destroyed by rome shortly after Jesus ascended and was never rebuilt, remember that the stone tablets that the law was written on, is now tablets of the human heart, remember that foods made us unclean in the law, Jesus declared that it is what is in our hearts that makes us unclean, nothing going into our mouths, but that which comes out of us, evil actions, =desires, thoughts , words. remember that paul declared not at all hiddenly, that His " faultless obedience to the Law when He was a pharisee he now considered rubble and u=seless compared to Christ and Knowing Him....
the Law is like the pattern God gave to noah for making the ark, it is a pattern of what Jesus was bringing. the Law is a covenant for the isrealites saved from slavery to egypt, Jesus saves the world from slavery to sin. even the isrealites pattern us now. the isrealites were Gods chosen people then, now it is those who believe in Jesus who are the elect...its all a pattern of what was coming and has now came we dont need to follow a pattern now, we have Jesus who is the completeness
remember the ark of the covenant disappeared from the earth long before Jesus came. everything in the Law was a pattern of what was coming in Jesus. Jesus is the new moses, His ministry the new Law the "Law of the spirit of Life"," the perfect Law that brings freedom" the temple is now opur bodies , remeber the temple in jerusalem was destroyed by rome shortly after Jesus ascended and was never rebuilt, remember that the stone tablets that the law was written on, is now tablets of the human heart, remember that foods made us unclean in the law, Jesus declared that it is what is in our hearts that makes us unclean, nothing going into our mouths, but that which comes out of us, evil actions, =desires, thoughts , words. remember that paul declared not at all hiddenly, that His " faultless obedience to the Law when He was a pharisee he now considered rubble and u=seless compared to Christ and Knowing Him....
the Law is like the pattern God gave to noah for making the ark, it is a pattern of what Jesus was bringing. the Law is a covenant for the isrealites saved from slavery to egypt, Jesus saves the world from slavery to sin. even the isrealites pattern us now. the isrealites were Gods chosen people then, now it is those who believe in Jesus who are the elect...its all a pattern of what was coming and has now came we dont need to follow a pattern now, we have Jesus who is the completeness
so then if our sins are taken away.......are you saying we have to be sinless perfectionists ? lol just kidding.....
the animals sacrificed in the ot were a pattern of Jesus to come whos blood would redeem us and take our sins away. not jUst leave us unpunished so we can continue on in sin, but truly to take them away. and why does scripture give record of several who kept Gods Laws righteously if it wasnt possible to do so? even paul who many exalt as Lord said Himself He was faultless as to following the Law? yet He says His faultless obedience to the Law, is worth Nothing?
He said this because a person could obey Gods Laws faultlessly.....and it meant nothing because there is no eternal Life in the Law of moses, it is temporal. a few examples of Law keepers
paul speaking of His former way of Life as a pharisee .phillipinas 3:6 "as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, FAULTLESS."
this more clearly says what it says Luke 1:6 "Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, OBSERVING ALL THE LORDS COMMANDS AND DECREES BLAMELESSLY "
this a reference to zechariah and His wife both blamelessly followed all of Gods commands and decrees.
there are other, examples but really this Kind of should let you know that it wasnt impossible for people to follow all of Gods commands in the Law....well it should because its scripture. id take a look at the verse in your own Bible, and realize the issue wasnt that man couldnt obey the Law....its that the Law was never meant to offer eternal Life, that Came in the ministry of Jesus Christ. a person can right now follow every Law of moses and they will die and Have No eternal Life because to follow those commands rewuires us to disobey the gospel. they are not the same ministry. One is Life, the other is blessing on earth and then you die the end. but to your point...yes before Jesus people obeyed Gods Law given through Moses without fault, there are records of it in scripture....the Law is a restraint given to sinners, not a life Giving ministry that offers rebirth and eternal Life that ministry is found in matthew mark Lujke and John. Paul and the apostles were testifying of it.
amen, this is my point. we who are "spiritual" know what we Know because of the words of Jesus. there is a reason we had to die to the Law, because we have no authority to pick and choose wich Laws apply and which dont, Jesus explained everything for us, Gave us a new and perfect Law, different from that of Moses. the People moses spoke to on Gods behalf were afraid of God and His word they told Moses " tell the Lord not to speak to us anymore or we will die" they were children of adam, remember when He ate the fruit? His first reaction was to then be afraid of God and Hide from Him. the isrealites reflect that perfectly, they not only reveranced God, they were afraid to Hear His words because they were natural sinners, rebels opposed to all law and rule, God said " it is good that they said that" and then He promised to raise up a prophet from among them Like moses, who would tell them everything He said, would Put His words in the Prophets Mouth." This is a promise of Jesus who would Come with the Word of God revealed to a new people, those born again by the spirit in the word. the Law is Holy, righteous and Good, is full of wisdom and value.....But it is not the Law for Christians, Jesus gave everythoing relevant in the Law, in His ministry....thats the Only way we Know whats valid and what isnt. we arent allowed to divide the Law ourselves, Jesus did that for us, took away the Old covenant of fear, and gave the New of Life.
kames 1:21-25 "Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.22Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do."
Hebrews 1:1-3 "In the PAST God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by HIS SON, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. "
The Law of Moses came to the ancestors of abraham, Jesus came to His descendants and then sent His message through them to the world. the Laws of Justice are Laws in the Mosaic Law they are Gods commands to stone each other, so many laws that cant apply now according to the Gospel. we are to obey Jesus, who is the promised Christ the One who would explain everything to the World.
Im all for obedience...to Jesus, not moses. Moses commanded things to unspiritual people, rebels, sinners , hard hearted therefore the Law was Hard, harsh , heartless with its punishments because it was meant for the unrughteous and ungodly.
1 timothy 1:8-10 "We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine."
Hebrews 1:1-3 "In the PAST God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by HIS SON, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. "
The Law of Moses came to the ancestors of abraham, Jesus came to His descendants and then sent His message through them to the world. the Laws of Justice are Laws in the Mosaic Law they are Gods commands to stone each other, so many laws that cant apply now according to the Gospel. we are to obey Jesus, who is the promised Christ the One who would explain everything to the World.
Im all for obedience...to Jesus, not moses. Moses commanded things to unspiritual people, rebels, sinners , hard hearted therefore the Law was Hard, harsh , heartless with its punishments because it was meant for the unrughteous and ungodly.
1 timothy 1:8-10 "We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine."