Mother Of God?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

dallasb78

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2015
125
0
16
Matt 22

29Jesus replied, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven. 31But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God said to you: 32‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?’c He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

God has no wife/spouse in Heaven.

This speaks on Earthy marriage not Spiritual marriage.
 

dallasb78

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2015
125
0
16
What makes you say that? Do you not believe that Scripture is unique since all of it is God-breathed? Does not that fact in itself make it THE ONLY source of doctrinal truth?
It would make it a source of Truth yes. But not necessarily the only source.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2017
9,267
5,629
113
Because there was a pagan goddess worshipped as "queen of heaven" doesn't mean there can't be an authentic "queen of heaven". By this logic we also shouldn't call Jesus the "Son of God" because the greek god Apollo was also called the "Son of God".
It's the same deceiving spirit then as now. The tile is TELLING you that. The real Mary didn't & doesn't seek worship for herself. That is one way you should KNOW beyond any doubt that the Catholic mother goddess is an impostor. How many indicators do you need? Nothing that draws worship away from God is of God.
 
L

LPT

Guest
This speaks on Earthy marriage not Spiritual marriage.
the spiritual marriage is the whole church this is the only mentioning of a spiritual marriage in scripture, the marriage of the church and Christ.

Mary yes she is included but she is not exclusive to God. she is not the spiritual spouse of God, Your drunk in Catholic doctrine.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2017
9,267
5,629
113
It would make it a source of Truth yes. But not necessarily the only source.
Then you can mix it with anything you like and fall into all sorts of error. The Bible is replete with stories about those who have fallen into that kind of trap. Why not at least TRY to do the things God has asked us to do? Worship him in spirit and in truth. Not with the trappings of filthy paganism which he detests.
 

dallasb78

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2015
125
0
16
It's the same deceiving spirit then as now. The tile is TELLING you that. The real Mary didn't & doesn't seek worship for herself. That is one way you should KNOW beyond any doubt that the Catholic mother goddess is an impostor. How many indicators do you need? Nothing that draws worship away from God is of God.
If we worshiped Mary or if Mary drew worship away from God you would have a point.
 
J

jaybird88

Guest
That does not make sense! Can G-d use anyone for His own purpose? Does He not do it today? What is Mickey Mouse logic? Se is NOT special; she is a woman that gave birth!!!!
it makes perfect sense, let me explain another way. John the baptist was a great teacher, greatest prophet, came in the spirit of Elijah, lead the way for the Christ, baptized the Christ, and all the rest that the scriptures say about him, outside of that, he was just a guy.
but we both know he was not just another guy. you cant just throw out the phrase "outside of that" and remove what the scriptures say.
and back to Mary, of all the women the Lord could have chosen for this task, He chose Mary. do you really think that just any women would do, not likely.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
24,641
13,044
113
It would make it a source of Truth yes. But not necessarily the only source.
Then you don't really understand the meaning of Divine inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility. And we are talking about spiritual truth. The writings of the Early Church Fathers are a mixture of truth and error. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is predominantly error. The Apocrypha is a mixture of truth and fantasy. So are you looking to the philosophers for your "truth"? It would seem that you are echoing Pontius Pilate who said "What is truth?"
 

Lucy-Pevensie

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2017
9,267
5,629
113
If we worshiped Mary or if Mary drew worship away from God you would have a point.
I used to be Catholic. We knelt before statues and said "Hail Mary". That IS worship as defined by The Bible. And it is wrong.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,822
13,440
113
While the Bible is without error, you will not find a verse that says it is the ONLY source of doctrinal Truth.
Fallacy: argument from silence.

Fair enough: According to ncregister.com there are 9000 official protestant denominations and 22000 independent denominations(not officially protestant but still do not accept the authority of the pope). That's 31000..
ncregister.com is not any sort of authority on protestant denominations.

The Catholic Church and the household of God are one and the same.

St. Ignatius of Antioch(35AD-107AD):

Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid. — Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, J.R. Willis translation.
This is misleading, because the RCC did not exist when Ignatius wrote this. He meant "universal church of Jesus Christ". Further, his words aren't Scripture either.
 

dallasb78

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2015
125
0
16
the spiritual marriage is the whole church this is the only mentioning of a spiritual marriage in scripture, the marriage of the church and Christ.

Mary yes she is included but she is not exclusive to God. she is not the spiritual spouse of God, Your drunk in Catholic doctrine.
Another spiritual marriage is that of the church, yes. But I have stated there is no Bible verse that eludes to Mary being the spouse of the Holy Spirit. I concede it would be difficult or impossible for a protestant to believe.

Accusing me of being "drunk" does nothing to further your argument.
 
L

LPT

Guest
it makes perfect sense, let me explain another way. John the baptist was a great teacher, greatest prophet, came in the spirit of Elijah, lead the way for the Christ, baptized the Christ, and all the rest that the scriptures say about him, outside of that, he was just a guy.
but we both know he was not just another guy. you cant just throw out the phrase "outside of that" and remove what the scriptures say.
and back to Mary, of all the women the Lord could have chosen for this task, He chose Mary. do you really think that just any women would do, not likely.
Nice post, I would just add, yea God could have chosen any woman, I am confident you know why God did.

But I'll mention it to refresh the thoughts, the blood line that went back all the way to the beginning of man, and was the only reason why Mary and Joseph was chosen.
 

dallasb78

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2015
125
0
16
Then you can mix it with anything you like and fall into all sorts of error. The Bible is replete with stories about those who have fallen into that kind of trap. Why not at least TRY to do the things God has asked us to do? Worship him in spirit and in truth. Not with the trappings of filthy paganism which he detests.
The are three sources of Truth that God has given us: Sacred Scriptures, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium. All are only valid because they are from the Holy Spirit. None of them are pagan.
 
L

LPT

Guest
Another spiritual marriage is that of the church, yes. But I have stated there is no Bible verse that eludes to Mary being the spouse of the Holy Spirit. I concede it would be difficult or impossible for a protestant to believe.

Accusing me of being "drunk" does nothing to further your argument.
Ok I can except that for sure, and I apologize to you, if my words seemed harsh, but the truth is many Catholic Protestants are drunk in the doctrine, and I'm not meaning actually being drunk from alcohol, but completely believing in false doctrines built by false theologians of the past.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,822
13,440
113
The are three sources of Truth that God has given us: Sacred Scriptures, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium. All are only valid because they are from the Holy Spirit. None of them are pagan.
Two of those sources are inventions of the RCC, have nothing to do with Scripture, and little to do with truth.
 

notuptome

Senior Member
May 17, 2013
15,050
2,538
113
The are three sources of Truth that God has given us: Sacred Scriptures, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium. All are only valid because they are from the Holy Spirit. None of them are pagan.
God has given us Himself and that is all sufficient. The only point you have correct is the scriptures. Traditions and magisterium are constructs of man not God.

Traditions have no merit outside of scripture. Magisterium also must abide within scriptural bounds or they are useless.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

dallasb78

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2015
125
0
16
Then you don't really understand the meaning of Divine inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility. And we are talking about spiritual truth. The writings of the Early Church Fathers are a mixture of truth and error. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is predominantly error. The Apocrypha is a mixture of truth and fantasy. So are you looking to the philosophers for your "truth"? It would seem that you are echoing Pontius Pilate who said "What is truth?"
Who are you or I to judge the the writings of the early church fathers, or the catholic church, or the Apocrypha? they had access to the same books of the bible as we have.

Divine inspiration: Meaning that that inspired(breathed) the writers of the Bible to write books that contained the Truth(s) of God.

inerrancy: the Bible is without error.

infallibility: the Bible is incapable of being wrong
 
L

LPT

Guest
Some examples of false Catholic practices, kiss the rings of the leaders of that church, calling the leaders father Billy or bob or joe. Asking the cardinal or pope or who ever to forgive their sins.

having statues of Mary and praying to Mary as if she is a intercesssor between People and Jesus.

they look act and walk just as the Pharisees did back in day, they like to been seen and praised, they like the front seats.

all satan did is switch out one religion for another, the show is the same no difference they are modern day Pharisees.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
36,749
13,155
113
the pillar and foundation of truth is explained if we would just continue reading little bit...

Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

(1 Timothy 3:14-16)​

God's household: Jesus Christ, eternal, incarnate, ascended, returning.
for the church is nothing at all unless it is found in Him: Jesus of Nazareth is the only foundation, and no other foundation may be laid. not the RCC. not a pulpit. not any human device, but Christ Himself.

don't you papist types know what 'the church' is, beyond the naive description of human congregations and institution?? i was under the impression that there was a rich history of theological understanding among the people of God...
 

dallasb78

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2015
125
0
16
Two of those sources are inventions of the RCC, have nothing to do with Scripture, and little to do with truth.
Let me ask you something. Where did Scripture come from? and Who decided which books were in the Bible?