That verse is a favorite of mine because it states that all scripture is God-breathed. This includes the Old Testament too. There are those that believe that the God-breathed scripture of the OT is obsolete. Not true. Jesus quoted from the OT many times. At that time there was not yet the written NT.
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"Though in the early church there were some debates on which New Testament books to include in the Bible, God worked through the Christian church to recognize those inspired works. Therefore we now have 27 inspired books for the New Testament."
And how do you think they settled this debate? Who had the final authority when disagreements rose among the Bishops? and from where did they get their authority to do so?
And how do you think they settled this debate? Who had the final authority when disagreements rose among the Bishops? and from where did they get their authority to do so?
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You haven't seen because you go to church on Sunday's or what ever and listen to the sermons etc, have you been behind the scenes, they all do it, cardinals bishops etc. kissy kissy my ring is plain stupid. The pope is no better of a religious leader than a homeless man. people cry went a new pope is selected, the stupid smoke thing from the chimney, bunch of quack stuff.
Jesus does not need anyone human to represent Himself, you can freely ask Jesus yourself for forgiveness, and you can have a personal relationship with him as well, that is what he would love to have with people.
The Mary Intercessor thing is solely built around the wedding at Cana, the claim is Mary had compassion on the people thus has become a so called Intercessor, a completely false teaching, Jesus said himself why do you bother me with this stuff woman, the wedding was of a family member and Mary had worldly thoughts of wanting the reception to go smoothly that is all it was nothing more nothing less. Jesus changed the water to wine for a reason and it wasn't for that reason either.
the Pharisees loved the place of honor, the loved to be seen with their fancy robes and hats.
Jesus does not need anyone human to represent Himself, you can freely ask Jesus yourself for forgiveness, and you can have a personal relationship with him as well, that is what he would love to have with people.
The Mary Intercessor thing is solely built around the wedding at Cana, the claim is Mary had compassion on the people thus has become a so called Intercessor, a completely false teaching, Jesus said himself why do you bother me with this stuff woman, the wedding was of a family member and Mary had worldly thoughts of wanting the reception to go smoothly that is all it was nothing more nothing less. Jesus changed the water to wine for a reason and it wasn't for that reason either.
the Pharisees loved the place of honor, the loved to be seen with their fancy robes and hats.
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Says the Bible(Mt. 16:19:19)(John 16:12-13),
and says the church Fathers:
Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).
Irenaeus
But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).
and says the church Fathers:
Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).
Irenaeus
But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).
Let us get this straight....
MARY was and is a SINNER saved by GRACE
She was faithful, chosen by GOD to bear JESUS
IS NOT the queen of heaven
HAS NO power to intercede for a flea, much less a man
Is not to be worshiped or prayed to
Has no special power or pull with JESUS
and had numerous children by JOSEPH after JESUS
end of story!
MARY was and is a SINNER saved by GRACE
She was faithful, chosen by GOD to bear JESUS
IS NOT the queen of heaven
HAS NO power to intercede for a flea, much less a man
Is not to be worshiped or prayed to
Has no special power or pull with JESUS
and had numerous children by JOSEPH after JESUS
end of story!
I cannot imagine anyone could possible say Peter was the first POPE....seeing how it was not until after 300 A.D. that the Catholic Church came online, Peter had long been crucified upside down in ROME and NO WHERE is evidence to be found that proves he was the pope of anything......POPPYCOCK......is exactly what it is....
Thank you mcubed, Yes Mary needed to be born again, she was a sinner whom Jesus had to save through His death, burial and resurrection from the dead. I was waiting all day for someone to make this point; Mary was, "A sinner saved by Grace."...
"This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about:" "His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit." Matthew1:18
20) But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21) She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Luke2:20,21
"This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about:" "His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit." Matthew1:18
20) But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21) She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Luke2:20,21
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