Muslims Threaten To KILL Christians On ASU Campus

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Muslims Threaten To KILL Christians On ASU Campus


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Published on Apr 21, 2015
Ruben Israel And Fellow Street Preachers Cause NO SMALL STIR At The ASU Campus In Tempe Az. By Preaching Out Against Radical ISLAM. (Several Death Threats Have Been Made By Muslim Students On The ASU Campus)

 

[kaylagrl]

Muslims Threaten To KILL Christians On ASU Campus


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Published on Apr 21, 2015
Ruben Israel And Fellow Street Preachers Cause NO SMALL STIR At The ASU Campus In Tempe Az. By Preaching Out Against Radical ISLAM. (Several Death Threats Have Been Made By Muslim Students On The ASU Campus)

And they expected something different?...

 

[Origin]

Both groups are in the wrong

 

[Bowman]

This vid was a good plug for streetpreachers.com but much of what they repeatedly claimed was simply untrue ignorance.

They proclaimed that the Koran was a 'lie' - but, in fact, the Koran is merely paraphrased Biblical material repackaged for Arabic consumption.

Jesus is still God Almighty in the Koran, just as He is in the Holy Bible.

Jesus was still crucified until death upon the cross and raised three days later in the Koran, just as He was in the Holy Bible.

Etc, etc, etc...

The point that they should have been promoting is that islam is a cult - and that muslims have mis-interpreted their scriptures to the point of no return....and for that, they live the big LIE!

 

[valiant]

They proclaimed that the Koran was a 'lie' - but, in fact, the Koran is merely paraphrased Biblical material repackaged for Arabic consumption.

that is simply not true. it distorts biblical material and incorporates later Christian myths. much of it is deceitful.

Jesus is still God Almighty in the Koran, just as He is in the Holy Bible.

you have obviously not studied the quran. The divinity of Jesus is strictly denied. He is seen as a lesser prophet than Muhammad.

Jesus was still crucified until death upon the cross and raised three days later in the Koran, just as He was in the Holy Bible.

Muslims do not believe that Jesus was crucified. nor does the quran say so. They believe that Judas died on the cross instead of him, although that is not in the quran. it is in the Hadith.

The point that they should have been promoting is that islam is a cult - and that muslims have mis-interpreted their scriptures to the point of no return....and for that, they live the big LIE!

they do not live by the quran. they live by the Hadith. To most the quran is unintelligible as it is written in classical Arabic.

 

[Bowman]

that is simply not true. it distorts biblical material and incorporates later Christian myths. much of it is deceitful.

The authors of the Koran always point the reader back to its source, the Holy Bible...

you have obviously not studied the quran.

I have studied Koranic Arabic for the better part of 20 years.

The divinity of Jesus is strictly denied.

Wrong.

His divinity is loudly and proudly proclaimed in the Koran.

It is only islam which denies this...

Too many people attempt to think that each is the other.

He is seen as a lesser prophet than Muhammad.

Wrong.

The participle 'Muhammad' as used in the Koran, is merely an epithet pertaining to the Biblical Jesus Christ in the first place.

The fictitious islamic 'Muhammad' is the one that people wrongly focus on...

Muslims do not believe that Jesus was crucified.

Actually, certain sects do...

nor does the quran say so.

Wrong.

The Koran proclaims His Crucifixion until death upon the cross.

They believe that Judas died on the cross instead of him, although that is not in the quran. it is in the Hadith.

Some sects do...but not all...

they do not live by the quran.

They live by a mis-interpretation of it.

they live by the Hadith.

Some do...some don't...

To most the quran is unintelligible as it is written in classical Arabic.

Not to me...

 

[AngelFrog]

There is no doubt in my mind both sides were wrong.

However, that being said, there is also no doubt in my mind that had police not been there when one side had a lawful right to be there, as wrong as they were, we'd be reading about these men being savagely killed by Muslims on campus.

If they wanted to really speak to the Muslims there they should have used the name for Islams Hell; Jahannam. Which is the Hebrews Gehenna.
Also, if police were going to take someone into custody they should have arrested the woman who made a death threat to one of the protesters.

And being they had one man in custody, one of the protesters, if the cops had any of his personal information and made a police report using that, that's public information. Name, address, etc...
Pray for him. If the radicals on that campus find that out his life can be presumed to be at risk.

We're talking about a religion that calls for these protesters who acted out and who said these things to be put to death.

Muslims Threaten To KILL Christians On ASU Campus


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Published on Apr 21, 2015
Ruben Israel And Fellow Street Preachers Cause NO SMALL STIR At The ASU Campus In Tempe Az. By Preaching Out Against Radical ISLAM. (Several Death Threats Have Been Made By Muslim Students On The ASU Campus)

 

[Vernon]

Bowman, from the commentaries I have read the Quran recognizes Jesus the Messiah and final prophet to the children of Israel, he was born of the Virgin Mary by the breath of Allah. He did many miracles (healings and raised people from the dead), he was never married and had no children. He was because of this a unique prophet, but he was not the Son of God and he is not divine, Allah would never share his nature with another, he was created as Adam was from the dust of the ground. He was not crucified, and did not resurrect from the dead, Allah lifted him up to heaven where he waits to return to earth to finish his prophetic role.

Where are these commentaries wrong?

 

[Bowman]

We're talking about a religion that calls for these protesters who acted out and who said these things to be put to death.

That's a knee-jerk reaction from a group of people who are already dead themselves...

 

[Bowman]

Bowman, from the commentaries I have read the Quran recognizes Jesus the Messiah and final prophet to the children of Israel, he was born of the Virgin Mary by the breath of Allah. He did many miracles (healings and raised people from the dead), he was never married and had no children. He was because of this a unique prophet, but he was not the Son of God and he is not divine, Allah would never share his nature with another, he was created as Adam was from the dust of the ground. He was not crucified, and did not resurrect from the dead, Allah lifted him up to heaven where he waits to return to earth to finish his prophetic role.

Where are these commentaries wrong?

Regarding the important things, yes, they are incorrect.

Commentaries need to be taken with a grain of salt, unless they are backed by vigorous scriptural exegesis for verification.

Muslims do not comprehend their book of faith.....no different than that of modern-day Jews mis-comprehension of their book of faith...

 

[Word_Swordsman]

This vid was a good plug for streetpreachers.com but much of what they repeatedly claimed was simply untrue ignorance.

They proclaimed that the Koran was a 'lie' - but, in fact, the Koran is merely paraphrased Biblical material repackaged for Arabic consumption.

Jesus is still God Almighty in the Koran, just as He is in the Holy Bible.

Jesus was still crucified until death upon the cross and raised three days later in the Koran, just as He was in the Holy Bible.

Amazing! Please show where those are in the Quran. I'll supply a handy English translation easily accessible for all of us.
http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/quran.htm

If you have an easier one to use without having to download PDFs, please share that.

 

[AngelFrog]

Jesus is still God Almighty in the Koran, just as He is in the Holy Bible.

You have clearly never picked up a copy of the Qur'an.

Jesus is relegated to a mere prophet in the Qur'an because allah has no son. And in the Qur'an Jesus name is, Isa.

Nor, according to the Qur'an, did they kill or crucify Jesus. Sura:4:156-159

 

[Utah]

islamic apologists on a Christian chat site. How quaint.

 

[AngelFrog]

islamic apologists on a Christian chat site. How quaint.

A man afraid of the truth about Islam. And while calling a Christians names. How pathetic.

 

[Utah]

A man afraid of the truth about Islam. And while calling a Christians names. How pathetic.

Exactly. I like what you've shared on this thread. Keep fighting the good fight!

 

[Bowman]

You have clearly never picked up a copy of the Qur'an.

Surely you don't really mean that...

Jesus is relegated to a mere prophet in the Qur'an because allah has no son.

That's pure Islamic myth.


Glory be to Him the uncreated Son


39.4


لو أراد الله أن يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق ما
يشاء سبحنه هو الله الوحد القهار

Law arada Allahu an yattakhitha waladan laistafa mimma yakhluqu ma yashao subhanahu huwa Allahu alwahidu alqahharu

39.4 Although “allah” he intended that he takes a Son; he has not chosen from that which he creates, (but) what he wills, glory be to Him; he, allah”, the one, the supreme.



39.4 is yet another clear Arabic ayah that boldly proclaims that Jesus is the Son.

In fact, it is stated that “he intended” (“arada” – completed action) that he takes (“yattakhitha”) a Son.

The stipulation being that the Son does not come from anything that is created (“yakhluqu”).

This should sound extremely familiar, as it proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) is uncreated!

A Son that has always existed.


Further, the very next ayah, 39.5, point-blank tells us that the Son is Jesus Christ as thus…


خلق السموت والأرض بالحق يكور اليل على النهار ويكور النهار على اليل وسخر الشمس والقمر كل يجري لأجل مسمى ألا هو العزيز الغفر

Khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda bialhaqqi yukawwiru allayla AAala alnnahari wayukawwiru alnnahara AAala allayli wasakhkhara alshshamsa waalqamara kullun yajree li-ajalin musamman ala huwa alAAazeezu alghaffaru

39.5 He created the heavens and the earth through 'The Truth'. He causes to revolve the night onto the day, and He causes to revolve the day onto the night, and He made subservient the sun and the moon, each pursues its course to a fixed and appointed term, is He not the all-mighty, the most protecting one?


This ayah tells us that “allah” created the known Universe with the help of ‘The Truth’.

It is already a very well established fact that ‘The Truth’ is repeatedly mentioned as a deity attribute of Jesus Christ in both the Holy Bible as well as the Koran.

Now…once again… “allah” is shown to be in need of assistance in creating the Universe.


The assistance of the Son.

And in the Qur'an Jesus name is, Isa.

And...?

Nor, according to the Qur'an, did they kill or crucify Jesus.

Sura:4:156-159

وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول​

الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن​

الذين اختلفوا فيه لفي شك منه ما لهم به من علم​

إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا​

Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

4.157 And their saying: "Truly we killed The Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, “allah's” messenger”, and that they killed him, and that they crucified him, and certainly they alike, and truly whom they differed in Him, certainly they (are) not in doubt from Him, on account of Him, from knowledge, except to follow the belief, and that they surely killed him.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Some really good information is available free at http://answering-islam.org/

They have managed to stay online a long time, while some of my favorites are gone, most shut down by IP hosts, hackers, and governments. I figure some sites yielded to the threats that come.

Apparently this Arthur Arberry translation is OK to share online. It's supposed to be the best Quran translation, though Muslim scholars say it can't be translated properly from the ancient Arabic. https://archive.org/details/QuranAJArberry

I'm curious about claims of the Quran supporting Christianity and Judaism since it makes clear that what scriptures we have today are corrupted, unlike the original, so we can't possibly understand our scriptures, so must accept the Quran, which is claimed to correct the Torah and New Testament.

History shows Muslims typically don't expect Jews or Christians to accept it or Islam because of their corrupted minds making it difficult to embrace Islam. I've been told that many times online. It's easier for their extremists to simply demand conversion or die, knowing many will choose death. They prefer finding people who are ignorant of any religion.

There's a lot of reference in the Quran to our Bible, so if you are patient and take lots of time studying, it's possible to lead them to Christ by pointing that out. The problem is convincing them our Bible scriptures are the same as when Muhammad lived (7th century). There's plenty of evidence the Bible hasn't changed, so if you can show that, you have a chance. From there we can then lead them to those pre-7th century scriptures the Quran claims it honors.

Then some real challenges arise, like showing proof of Jesus being of the godhead bodily, after they have been taught there is no Trinity. Each of them possess a precious soul bought with more price than all the value of the universe, so don't give up a chance to reach them for Jesus.

 

[Bowman]

Amazing! Please show where those are in the Quran. I'll supply a handy English translation easily accessible for all of us.
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If you have an easier one to use without having to download PDFs, please share that.
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Jesus as God

قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدينسبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما​

يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم​

Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu

Say: "Indeed on account of the most Merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.”Glory be to the Lord (of) the heavens and the earth, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe.So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened.And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows.(43.81 – 84)

 

[AngelFrog]

Islam is a false faith, true. It's a violent, mysoginistic, satanic faith who's moon god is contained in the Kabah in Mecca and in a box no less.
Muhammad was a pedophile, true. He married one of his wives when she was 6. He consummated when she was 9. True.
He was a murderer, he was illiterate. Islam was an oral tradition while he was healthy as its prophet and when he started to deteriorate, some say because one of his slaves, who's husband he'd murdered and then took her as his slave, slowly poisoned him so he'd suffer to death for years, he purportedly laid down and recited to literate scribes all that they were to copy down. And that was what became known as the Qur'an.

The Hadith is what today we'd call his personal journal and has no impact on the practice of the faith itself. The Qur'an alone does.

When someone posts in a Christian forum, in a thread about protests against Muslims, that Jesus in the Qur'an still retains his status as God almighty, etc... as Christians we're compelled to correct falsehood. It doesn't serve the truth of our Lord to let false faiths be misrepresented as pertains to their own teachings.

Because if we let falsehood about , in this case Islam, stand and then pursue teachings against it we ourselves are false. Because we're not speaking point for point against what is taught and is true about Islam. We're speaking point for point to refute what is already a lie and something that Islam never teaches and that is not in their Qur'an.

How can we hope to lead Muslims to Christ if we don't know the truth about what we're up against?

 

[Bowman]

I'm curious about claims of the Quran supporting Christianity and Judaism since it makes clear that what scriptures we have today are corrupted, unlike the original, so we can't possibly understand our scriptures, so must accept the Quran, which is claimed to correct the Torah and New Testament.

The authors of the Koran never claim that the written Holy Bible is in error.

This yet another Islamic polemic...

There's a lot of reference in the Quran to our Bible, so if you are patient and take lots of time studying, it's possible to lead them to Christ by pointing that out.

Agreed!