Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[seed_time_harvest]

I do not understand your logic " your death warrant" . LOL forgiven.

you can qoute charlie was a great man buit the context of Forgiveness is as such Jesus said to " Forgive as you have been forgiven.

Jesus told Peter when he asked the Lord how many times should I forgive ? Matt 18:21 :

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

what did Jesus our Lord say ? Matt 18: 35

So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

So we are to forgive . we are told to repent we are told

[h=1]2 Chronicles 7 :14[/h]
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

so if you who are spirtual restore such aone in the faith what is it they are being restored from?

what was Gal 6:1 talking about ? in the KJV what is a " fault" ? in the NKJV what is a trespass ?
in the NIV what is a sin?

the Greek says fault is = ( a sin, misdeed)
so why restore a brother if he has not done a sin? what are you restoring him from ?

If the person does not have a forgiving heart how can GOD forgive them.meaning no one can come to JESUS unless the Father draws them.GOD Is looking at the heart and If the person Is not true then then they will not be forgiven.

 

[Ariel82]

If the person does not have a forgiving heart how can GOD forgive them.meaning no one can come to JESUS unless the Father draws them.GOD Is looking at the heart and If the person Is not true then then they will not be forgiven.

God can change hearts...making hearts of stone circumcised to hearts of living flesh.


We forgive others because God forgave us..,we love because He first loved us.

Not the other way around.

This is what it means to receive God's grace. We have Faith that He loves us enough to die for us, even though we did nothing to deserve His love. That His blood cleansed us of sin, even though we deserve to be sent to hell.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Oh wow, its always good to open up the verse people are sharing and look at the verses surrounding it (context). This is actually a very easy thing to resolve Peaceful and I am excited to share it with you.

2 Corinthians 5:9-11 King James Version (KJV)

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Notice that the Apostle Paul "labored" and "persuaded men"? Towards the end of 2 Corinthians 5, he also starts speaking of being reconciled to God as well. When he says "for we must all appear before the judgement seat..." do you think he could be speaking of the world? This is why he brings up good or bad and the "terror of the Lord", because they represent motives to share the word of reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:19).

This is one way to understand the verse, but even if we understood it as our own wrongs we must admit that it has nothing to do with forgiveness of sin because there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ. If anything it represents a loss of rewards, or a lower amount of rewards (I should say) because even that which is burned up, if any man have nothing left he is "saved yet so by fire" (1 Corinthians 3:15). He suffers loss (of rewards) but such judgement is not in relation to forgiveness.

There is no condemnation in Jesus Christ to those who WALK not after the flesh but AFTER the Spirit. When we sin we are not walking after the Spirit but after the flesh . . . that would be the "bad". I am not saying that we have to do this for salvation but we do things in the "flesh" that are bad and we will be judged accordingly in order to receive our rewards.
I, for one, want rewards . . . I don't have to work or do anything for my salvation except believe in Jesus Christ and believe that God raised him from the dead . . . BUT my WALK on earth will account for something - whether good or bad!

Love ya Ben - you too, EG!!!

 

[Ariel82]

The only reward I seek is to be in heaven surrounded by my loved ones who walked with me in this strange land back home to our Father.

Perhaps to hear the words "Rest my beloved child, for your race has been run faithfully."

 

[BenFTW]

There is no condemnation in Jesus Christ to those who WALK not after the flesh but AFTER the Spirit. When we sin we are not walking after the Spirit but after the flesh . . . that would be the "bad". I am not saying that we have to do this for salvation but we do things in the "flesh" that are bad and we will be judged accordingly in order to receive our rewards.
I, for one, want rewards . . . I don't have to work or do anything for my salvation except believe in Jesus Christ and believe that God raised him from the dead . . . BUT my WALK on earth will account for something - whether good or bad!

Love ya Ben - you too, EG!!!

[h=1]Romans 8:9 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

This is a current reality we live in.

Your walk on earth will account for rewards (or the lack there of). If you have no work remaining, you are saved yet so as by fire. [/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

With this philosophy - one can live the way he wants once he is born again and it don't matter!

what philosophy are you talking about? I am confused and not sure what you mean sis.

I see it as fruit, if we do something that bears fruit we will br rewarded, if we do something that does not bear fruit it will be burnt.

I do not look to see what sins I am committing, I look to see what is the purpose I am doing whatever I do. If I do it for th love of others, God can use it, If I do it because i want to get something out of it (selfishness) God can't.

two people can do the same action. One can be in sin, one can be bearing fruit. It is not the action, it is the root cause.

If I am committing adultery, I am being selfish, not bearing fruit, and doing it because I have failed to love my wife and do not love the person I am sinning with.

Following the law will not help me overcome the sin I am doing, (thats why the law is useless to help me overcome sin) I have to change my heart (LOVE others not self)

 

[NoNameMcgee]

" one can live the way he wants once he is born again and it don't matter"

this suggests that a born again believer does not have a new heart......

i have never heard of someone who believes this that "sin is what we want in our lives and it dont matter how much we do it"

but i often hear it used as an attack on the truth of the eternal security given to Gods children


i would ask whoever makes this statement .....what way do you think a born again believer WANTS to live?


you think they want a license to live in sin
practice it

and conform to the world?



that doesnt sound like a new heart to me....


who ever thinks like that didnt get what i got when God made me new

and i would suggest to them to examine themself



anyways

i do know that no matter what happens


i am saved

and this assurance comes from the promises of God

not my walk

 

[Joseppi]

If a man’s conscience condemns him it must be cleansed.

Ignoring one’s own conscience, denying one’s own conscience and/or reasoning as an unbeliever against the condemnation of the conscience will not cleanse it.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

 

[BenFTW]

If a man’s conscience condemns him it must be cleansed.

Ignoring one’s own conscience, denying one’s own conscience and/or reasoning as an unbeliever against the condemnation of the conscience will not cleanse it.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Who has spoken against amends? No one.

 

[Ariel82]

If a man’s conscience condemns him it must be cleansed.

Ignoring one’s own conscience, denying one’s own conscience and/or reasoning against condemnation of conscience will not cleanse it.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

How would you counsel someone whose conscience condemns him?

I would tell him the Gospel and how Jesus forgives sins. How the Holy spirit will teach us to overcome sin.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

There is no condemnation in Jesus Christ to those who WALK not after the flesh but AFTER the Spirit. When we sin we are not walking after the Spirit but after the flesh . . . that would be the "bad". I am not saying that we have to do this for salvation but we do things in the "flesh" that are bad and we will be judged accordingly in order to receive our rewards.
I, for one, want rewards . . . I don't have to work or do anything for my salvation except believe in Jesus Christ and believe that God raised him from the dead . . . BUT my WALK on earth will account for something - whether good or bad!

Love ya Ben - you too, EG!!!

The phrase "to those who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit" in Romans 8:1 is considered my most bible scholars to not have been in the original writing. It appears to have been copied from the end of Romans 8:4. And it really makes more sense without it because there is no guilty verdict to those in Christ by virtue of what he did, and not by virtue of how they walk.

Condemnation
G2631 κατάκριμα katakrima (kat-ak'-ree-mah) n.
1. an adverse sentence (the verdict)

 

[CS1]

If the person does not have a forgiving heart how can GOD forgive them.meaning no one can come to JESUS unless the Father draws them.GOD Is looking at the heart and If the person Is not true then then they will not be forgiven.

Hmmm The Holy Spirit ables one to .

 

[CS1]

You take the cake man, I asked you a question.

I never said you did, I ASKED YOU IF YOU DID, in fact my first response to you was IF YOU DID? WE HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES.

about all we have is you NEVER SAID YOU DID OR Did not.

(so it is you who has serious issues with reading)

stop blaming others for your own problems my friend, If you going to do like you did, then don;t blame me for misunderstanding you, You could have said in your first response. I never taught that,




I do not have an issue with elders confronting people in sin, especially if they do not fess up (confess) to it. But as usual, you think I am out to get you, so you can not understand what I am trying to say, and your silly comments just make you look silly.

again I repeat.

IF CONFESSING SIN IS REQUIRED. We ARE ALL IN TROUBLE. (the word REQUIRED is what I was questioning!)

If one can not lose salvation, IT IS NOT REQUIRED. (Hence you see why I asked the question to begin with. )


but at the same time, It is pretty serious if you do not confess your sin. (which I explained in other posts and you should have seen, in fact I said we are commanded to confess our sins to each other.. I guess you missed that post)

try for once to stop thinking everyone is out to get you, and try to understand what they are saying before you go mocking them, ok?

Right you do not need an elder . Even though the word of God speaks of it. Your question was an assumption . your question assumed I said one loses thier salvation. Never said that. I do not think you are out to get me LOL ahahah I can careless what you think of me LOl i'm sure you can care less what I think . NOw you want to insult by calling me silly .

did I call you names ? I will tell you this do not respend to me and I will not to you Ok. I do not need your approval of Biblical Understanding nor do you need mine Ok . so just let it go so you do not have to tell people how silly they are and I will not have to tell you how wrong you are Biblically . Thank you
and God bless stop trying to think everyone is out to get you LOL ahahahahhah rotfl to funny.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

what philosophy are you talking about? I am confused and not sure what you mean sis.

I see it as fruit, if we do something that bears fruit we will br rewarded, if we do something that does not bear fruit it will be burnt.

I do not look to see what sins I am committing, I look to see what is the purpose I am doing whatever I do. If I do it for th love of others, God can use it, If I do it because i want to get something out of it (selfishness) God can't.

two people can do the same action. One can be in sin, one can be bearing fruit. It is not the action, it is the root cause.

If I am committing adultery, I am being selfish, not bearing fruit, and doing it because I have failed to love my wife and do not love the person I am sinning with.

Following the law will not help me overcome the sin I am doing, (thats why the law is useless to help me overcome sin) I have to change my heart (LOVE others not self)

Maybe philosophy was the wrong word but this idea of not asking God for forgiveness after one is born again - personally, I don't believe it is correct, of course, that is just my opinion.

I do not keep a score record of the things that I have done contrary to God's word . . . it is like it is second nature that when I screw up - I ask forgiveness . . . is it a law? Nope . . .

What is so wrong about saying "I'm sorry"?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Right you do not need an elder Even though the word of God speaks of it. .

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

I do not have an issue with elders confronting people in sin, especially if they do not fess up (confess) to it.

...........
but at the same time, It is pretty serious if you do not confess your sin. (which I explained in other posts and you should have seen, in fact I said we are commanded to confess our sins to each other.. I guess you missed that post)

You have serious comprehension issues my friend.

Your question was an assumption .

My question was a question.

your question assumed I said one loses thier salvation.

I did not assume anything, I stated a fact, IF it is true (if it is required or else we will lose salvation) we are all in trouble. You could have in one post put all this stuff to bed by saying you do not believe we must confess to stay saved, but no, for whatever reason, you did not.

Never said that

I never said you did, So who is the one ASSUMING?

I do not think you are out to get me LOL ahahah I can careless what you think of me LOl i'm sure you can care less what I think . NOw you want to insult by calling me silly .

Look at the way you have responded, You actions speak otherwise. You still are assuming and for some reason not able to see what really is going on.

did I call you names ? I will tell you this do not respend to me and I will not to you Ok. I do not need your approval of Biblical Understanding nor do you need mine Ok . so just let it go so you do not have to tell people how silly they are and I will not have to tell you how wrong you are Biblically . Thank you
and God bless stop trying to think everyone is out to get you LOL ahahahahhah rotfl to funny.

yeah another one who mocks people. Refuses to understand what they are saying, then acts as if nthey did nothign wrong. and refuses to see or confess he is doing it.

Things are becoming quite clear now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Maybe philosophy was the wrong word but this idea of not asking God for forgiveness after one is born again - personally, I don't believe it is correct, of course, that is just my opinion.

Again, the bible says we are to confess, No place does it tell us to ask forgiveness. I believe we should confess our sins, not only to God, but to others, as the bible says we should.

Maybe our issue is terms, could that be it?

I do not keep a score record of the things that I have done contrary to God's word . . . it is like it is second nature that when I screw up - I ask forgiveness . . . is it a law? Nope . . .

What is so wrong about saying "I'm sorry"?

Nothing,, Saying I am sorry is not asking for forgiveness, It is admitting you did a wrong, I believe we should do this.

 

[CS1]

A saw a comment the other day about forgiveness on an article I was reading, and the person in the comment section made an interesting observation about forgiving others and Jesus' command.

Luke 17:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

There is a conditional clause. "If he repent" then forgive him. Just an interesting observation, and if you tie it into the Lord's Prayer, the forgiving of other's trespasses then has to do with forgiving people who have repented towards you for their wrong.

I think we should keep in mind that in the NT, past the resurrection of Christ, we are told to forgive others because we have been forgiven. Where as before Christ's death and resurrection people had to forgive in order to be forgiven, we now forgive from a place of forgiveness. Having experienced God's mercy and grace, we extend it to others. To not do so would be hypocritical (like the servant in the parable).

Ephesians 4:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

This forgiveness on the other hand doesn't seem conditional. Sure their repentance would make forgiveness easier, but to hold bitterness is only a poison onto oneself. We can forgive others in being empathetic and sympathetic to them, understanding where they are coming from (and how they got there, such as pain and suffering, heartbreak, etc). Hurt people, hurt people as it goes.

Hmm

it seems maybe the idea of asking God to forgive you is now something those agree with when just earlier they said you do not have to ask forgiveness. Now the word game? the issues was from some you do not have to ask forgiveness . which is not true. according to the Word of God. then it was suggested , some are saying you lose your salvation , then it was said "that such a prayer would be your death warrant " in context to Matt 6.

if you can offend man and need to ask forgiveness to aperson who can not do you any harm if you do not do it.

why is it we think we do not have to ask forgivness for sinning aginast God when we know we have did so for exmaple if today CS1 committed adultery as a christian I do not have to ask God for giveness please answer me that

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Romans 8:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

This is a current reality we live in.

Your walk on earth will account for rewards (or the lack there of). If you have no work remaining, you are saved yet so as by fire.

I got no problem with salvation - I know we don't lose salvation . . . but there is a "walk" after salvation. And even if one is born again of the Spirit and the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ dwells in them - they don't always "walk" by the Spirit. That is what "sinning" is - Do you still lie at times? . . . that is walking after the flesh. Do you maybe covet at times? Do you get angry at times? In that moment, you are walking by the flesh . . . Are you still saved yes? Will you be accountable for what you do after being born again? Yeppers - NOT DEATH but loss of rewards.

What is so bad about asking forgiveness for things that we do contrary to God's word?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

[/COLOR]Again, the bible says we are to confess, No place does it tell us to ask forgiveness. I believe we should confess our sins, not only to God, but to others, as the bible says we should.

Maybe our issue is terms, could that be it?

Nothing,, Saying I am sorry is not asking for forgiveness, It is admitting you did a wrong, I believe we should do this.

To me - saying I am sorry or confessing that I have erred is asking for forgiveness . . . when my child has done something wrong - by coming to me and telling me they are sorry is "acknowledging" the wrong and seeking my forgiveness. Why bother telling me if not seeking forgiveness?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To me - saying I am sorry or confessing that I have erred is asking for forgiveness . . . when my child has done something wrong - by coming to me and telling me they are sorry is "acknowledging" the wrong and seeking my forgiveness. Why bother telling me if not seeking forgiveness?

God already forgave us, That's the issue, if we do not understand that we do not understand grace,

Maybe your kids do not know they have your forgiveness, thats why they ask? Just asking, not being argumentative.