Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?
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There is nothing wrong with being apologetic to the Lord. Asking for forgiveness as if it is something to be granted, take this as an extreme example, is to trample underfoot the Son of God because it is seeking forgiveness through some other means than Christ and Him crucified.
His word says "there remains no more sacrifice for sins" and so your sins are already dealt with, remission granted through the shed blood of Jesus. What forgiveness is sought when Jesus has torn the veil that alienated you from God and reconciled you?
Nothing wrong with being apologetic to God, again. "Lord, I'm sorry. I just keep giving in, please continue to strengthen me. Thank you for your grace, for your forgiveness." Forgiveness is ours, not something we seek from God. His arms are open wide, with an embrace.
His word says "there remains no more sacrifice for sins" and so your sins are already dealt with, remission granted through the shed blood of Jesus. What forgiveness is sought when Jesus has torn the veil that alienated you from God and reconciled you?
Nothing wrong with being apologetic to God, again. "Lord, I'm sorry. I just keep giving in, please continue to strengthen me. Thank you for your grace, for your forgiveness." Forgiveness is ours, not something we seek from God. His arms are open wide, with an embrace.
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Why do I have to ask forgiveness? What purpose would it serve, do I have to ask to be forgiven, or will I go to hell if I do not? (see the issue here, if it is required to ask forgiveness, we are claiming we may lose salvation, which is a dangerous thing)
Now. Do I need to Go to God and say God I committed a great sin, I have cheated on my wife. I am at your mercy (chasten me as you desire) I only thank you I am not under law where I NEED TO BE FORGIVEN, because again I have proven I am not worthy to be called your child
I have stated how many times now we should confess our sins, or do you skip everything I say and just assuming I think otherwise?
Now. Do I need to Go to God and say God I committed a great sin, I have cheated on my wife. I am at your mercy (chasten me as you desire) I only thank you I am not under law where I NEED TO BE FORGIVEN, because again I have proven I am not worthy to be called your child
I have stated how many times now we should confess our sins, or do you skip everything I say and just assuming I think otherwise?
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this is directed at CS1,but everyone, why is it people always pick these grave sins when they make this argument, why cant you say if i say a little white lie, or i failed to love my neighbor today, don’t you think we need to confess thos sins also? Or are thos sins so small it does not really matter?
Well, I don't really get this one because I think we should be sorrowful and ask forgiveness when we sin. I mean how or why would we ever even try to stop, if we just thought it was just all cool with God and we didn't even have to discuss it with him. How do you grow like that? How do you learn?
Also, God chastises us just like our father would. I would think he would have a little more mercy if we are truly sorrowful and ask forgiveness...rather than just thinking it's all good we don't even need to discuss it with God and just go right on.
Also, God chastises us just like our father would. I would think he would have a little more mercy if we are truly sorrowful and ask forgiveness...rather than just thinking it's all good we don't even need to discuss it with God and just go right on.
No one is saying that we shouldn't discuss it with God. Neither do we say that sin doesn't grieve us when it is committed. We are simply saying that to seek forgiveness from God for sin is to dismiss the finished work of Jesus Christ that has already granted you the forgiveness of sins. Why do we seek what we already have? Instead of asking for it, give Him praise for it (for forgiveness through Christ).
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i understand your point
to ask to be forgiven of sin that is covered on judgement doesnt.... do anything
but the saying sorry
the confession i think is more what cs1 is pointing at
to restore the brother or sister who sinned...
we all know the brokeness that comes from sins after our Father has made us new
but i believe this is part of his way of saying sorry
not in order to gain or regain salvation
i dont think you two need to argue
we all know how important it is for our walk to have the whole armor of God
which includes a clean heart not convicted of anything the enemy can use to shame or attack us or dim our light
both of you believe we are saved by grace through faith
both of you believe God finishes what God starts (including His work in us)
and both of you believe we ought to confess our sins
whats the matter if we do it differently if we know we are His?
i pour my heart out
sometimes fumble my words in prayer
and id be lying if i said i dont ask for forgiveness
but in these same prayers i give thanks
knowing what Hes done for me....
lol
maybe im just simple
but i dislike seeing brothers bicker over this
God bless you both
(not trying to reprove or point my finger EG like i said i do get your point and agree whole heartedly if i do something i shouldnt... and die before i ask for forgiveness i am forgiven on account of Jesus already)
but i also see cs's point....
i do feel better when i say sorry
wether i ask for forgiveness or just cry and say sorry and pray to be delivered
(sorry for rambling to anyone who took the time to read all of this)
to ask to be forgiven of sin that is covered on judgement doesnt.... do anything
but the saying sorry
the confession i think is more what cs1 is pointing at
to restore the brother or sister who sinned...
we all know the brokeness that comes from sins after our Father has made us new
but i believe this is part of his way of saying sorry
not in order to gain or regain salvation
i dont think you two need to argue
we all know how important it is for our walk to have the whole armor of God
which includes a clean heart not convicted of anything the enemy can use to shame or attack us or dim our light
both of you believe we are saved by grace through faith
both of you believe God finishes what God starts (including His work in us)
and both of you believe we ought to confess our sins
whats the matter if we do it differently if we know we are His?
i pour my heart out
sometimes fumble my words in prayer
and id be lying if i said i dont ask for forgiveness
but in these same prayers i give thanks
knowing what Hes done for me....
lol
maybe im just simple
but i dislike seeing brothers bicker over this
God bless you both
(not trying to reprove or point my finger EG like i said i do get your point and agree whole heartedly if i do something i shouldnt... and die before i ask for forgiveness i am forgiven on account of Jesus already)
but i also see cs's point....
i do feel better when i say sorry
wether i ask for forgiveness or just cry and say sorry and pray to be delivered
(sorry for rambling to anyone who took the time to read all of this)
again never said anything about losing salvation so don't go there. I see what you have said and I wonder why the question you ask is "why do I have to ask forgiveness?". " What Purpose would it serve'? then you say you "I do have to ask to be forgiven " or will I go to hell if I do not?"
i'm sorry but the statement in my opinon is not very appropreiate . it sounds like to me and I could be wrong:
Oops I did sin but am saved and God you know i'm a sinner and I would ask you to forgive me for commiting adultery but hey what good would it do, i'm not going to lose my salvation if I do not ask forgiveness.
That is boastful, and prideful, and blasphemy. If a person has I sa8id a person not speaking of anyone here Ok. If a person has that kind of thought process they may not be saved.
Surely they are not reverent to the Almighty. what say you all?
lol there is no such thing as a white lie
but use another sin if you like. But it was my question and I would like you to answer it as I asked it. just because you do not like how I asked the question.please answer the question if you commit adultery as a christian do you have to ask forgiveness for doing so?
and thank you for answering
When does the " finished work" Erase the Word of God that clearly teaches while teaching His disciples to pray, teaches them to ask forgiveness, and also to forgive others, in the model He gave those He is calling Gods Children " when you pray say " Our Father Who is in Heaven,....."
when the " finished work" erases the authority of Jesus and His Word, for instance something as simple as this subject " Jesus says " when you pray....forgive us our sins as we forgive those who trespass against us, Lead us not unto temptation, but deliver us from evil"
its a distortion when any doctrine opposes Jesus Christs Teachings, and calls it " the finished work" which actually is not even a phrase in the Bible. the Only time Jesus ever said He finished the Work given to Him by God, is after He says " I have Given them your word, your word is truth.....I have finished the work you have given Me, glorify Me Now as I have glorified you on earth"
the " finished work" of the cross is not complete without the Gospel. No one ever in the Bible teaches 1 time, to believe differently from Jesus teachings. when the doctrine Becomes entirely His death, and that erases the Words He spoke, its a mirage designed By the One force in the world working to Get people to not Hear and Believe the Word of God. the label " the finished work" has Been totally distorted and Mde the reason to not even believe Jesus teachings, are for you......
I wish satan would say " Im satan im evil follow Me" But instead, He explains why what God said, isnt what He said it is, .....Let Me explain why. before a person Knows it, they are actually opposed to things thier Lord taught His followers...those who Believed in Him. to re teach, what Jesus taught.......is a terrible road to travel.
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i know you have already confessed to not believe Jesus is God
now are you suggesting His sacrifice is not enough to save a man?
are you suggesting work needs to be added onto His sacrifice?
or that a born again believer made new... sealed.... kept by the power of God .... He will in no wise cast out ....can lose their salvation?
wait
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i know you have already confessed to not believe Jesus is God
now are you suggesting His sacrifice is not enough to save a man?
are you suggesting work needs to be added onto His sacrifice?
or that a born again believer made new... sealed.... kept by the power of God .... He will in no wise cast out ....can lose their salvation?
Did not Jesus speak to those under the Law with the Law to lead them to Himself? He said to them if they had believed Moses they would've believed in Him. I can surely assume that you did not pluck out your eyes, or cut off your arm to enter Heaven an amputee than to enter Hell whole, did you?
You understand what Jesus was saying, yes? Perfection is God's standard. Today Jesus says to the believer, not to cut off his arm or take out his eye, but to believe in the Son of God, that He died on the cross for your sins and resurrected on the third day (unto your justification, and reconciliation to God).
We must keep in mind the audience Jesus spoke with, and the time in which He spoke.
You understand what Jesus was saying, yes? Perfection is God's standard. Today Jesus says to the believer, not to cut off his arm or take out his eye, but to believe in the Son of God, that He died on the cross for your sins and resurrected on the third day (unto your justification, and reconciliation to God).
We must keep in mind the audience Jesus spoke with, and the time in which He spoke.
it actually to Me Makes Much more sense with it,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
from v4-8, support perfectly the reasoning for it Being there, He sets up the idea that " No condemnation is for those who are in Christ, and then clears it up " those who do not walk after the flesh, but after the spirit. then He exlains " the flesh Minds the things of the flesh, the spirit the things of the spirit... the subkect is actually began in chapter 7. when He is explaining this " Law of sin within His Members that causes Him to want to do good, but Not be able to carry it Out." romans 8. is the solution to that double Nature that is in conflict. the good and evil in us.
Paul says in 7, " I realize that when I want to do Good, evil is right there with Me, and even though i know the good to do, this evil in me, restrains me from doing it. then i notice this Law within My Members holding Me captive to the Law of sin"
Jesus came Preaching the spirit to those who would Believe Him. when you later read Pauls elaboration on this flesh and spirit, He gives even More insight into what He is saying there in chapter 7 and 8 in galatians 5 again saying it the same way " those who walk by the spirit" so id be willing to say it belongs there. Pauls Letters all compliment each other.
Galatians 5 " This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. ( the law of sin He explains in romans 7)18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
then explaining what are the works of the flesh??
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. "
Paul is saying, repent of sin, and follow the gospel. the spirit of truth that is within the Gospel. there is condemnation for those who continue in the works of the flesh. its those who do not follow the lust of the flesh, but walk after the spirit, after the Gospel, to Love each other, treat each other right, Gods standards , not our own right standards. to Just Be Like He says were to Be. has Nothing to do with ordinance or laws of stone....But How we treat Our fellow Human Beings in His Name. we do Have to walk in the spirit of Christ. its Why Jesus said Before the cross " keep my commands obey My words" and after the cross " Go teach the world, to keep My commands and observe My Words" ..... walking In His teachings, really does free us from things Nothing else ever can Because it changes us inside.
to Be in christ is to Abide in His teachings john 15, to receive the Holy spirit, is to Keep his teachings and commands, the word is what Quickens because the spirit of God, is in the Word of God. we take it in and Believe and Let there Be light...and Light shined. He creates through His word.
lol Naw you have Heard Me confess Jesus is the Christ, THE SON of the Living God. as the Bible teaches
ans Let Me say it this way, about a Month ago you said to Me on this site " your a liar i believe Jesus teachings i dont disagree with even One"
Now Im saying that Jesus word, is Not seperate from His sacrifice, and if someone is saying " the cross elimiunates Gods Word" its a Herecy 100 percent, and is of satans forked tongue. that is what im saying very clearly.
Now Back to the relevant subject. " when we ask forgiveness it ignores the " finished work of the cross" <<<< thats Mans idea this is the proof of that to you, wise Mr Mcgee, ( actually Mean that bro) Hopefully you might see My point Here. Now consider this Jesus, who you are clear " IS GOD" who is the Only One who can ever give salvation, the Only One who its impossible for Him to Not be right, who says specifically " My WORDS will never Pass away"
He says this
Matthew 6 : After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11Give us this day our daily bread.12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Heres My question to you.......Am I wrong to agree 100 Percent with Jesus the Lord? or should i try to twist the Bible, to make it say what it doesnt? should i say hmmmm " did God really say. when I pray ask forgiveness? did God really say " if i forgive others,He will forgive Me. if i do not, Niether will He?"
On what Planet, are Christians supposed to disregard Jesus Christs teachings, which HE SAYS Keep them do not ever part from them, i will send the spirit to remind you of them...lol come on brother. Have you bought into the gog ? i believe you trust Jesus. think about what He said about salvation, Only He has the authoruity to offer it. so do we need to ask forgiveness when we sin even though Jesus died? do we Need to Believe what He say about forgiveness....Being He said it would be preached in all the world, and then the end would come?
watch out for any method that tries to get you to see Jesus as Not right regarding salvation. the fruit Looked really delicious and seemed good for food......it didnt Lead to life though. On the Other Hand, what God said, turned Out to Be the truth" adam died and so did all Mankind. go with the One God sent. agrre with Jesus and you cant go wrong thats a fact.
ans Let Me say it this way, about a Month ago you said to Me on this site " your a liar i believe Jesus teachings i dont disagree with even One"
Now Im saying that Jesus word, is Not seperate from His sacrifice, and if someone is saying " the cross elimiunates Gods Word" its a Herecy 100 percent, and is of satans forked tongue. that is what im saying very clearly.
Now Back to the relevant subject. " when we ask forgiveness it ignores the " finished work of the cross" <<<< thats Mans idea this is the proof of that to you, wise Mr Mcgee, ( actually Mean that bro) Hopefully you might see My point Here. Now consider this Jesus, who you are clear " IS GOD" who is the Only One who can ever give salvation, the Only One who its impossible for Him to Not be right, who says specifically " My WORDS will never Pass away"
He says this
Matthew 6 : After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11Give us this day our daily bread.12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Heres My question to you.......Am I wrong to agree 100 Percent with Jesus the Lord? or should i try to twist the Bible, to make it say what it doesnt? should i say hmmmm " did God really say. when I pray ask forgiveness? did God really say " if i forgive others,He will forgive Me. if i do not, Niether will He?"
On what Planet, are Christians supposed to disregard Jesus Christs teachings, which HE SAYS Keep them do not ever part from them, i will send the spirit to remind you of them...lol come on brother. Have you bought into the gog ? i believe you trust Jesus. think about what He said about salvation, Only He has the authoruity to offer it. so do we need to ask forgiveness when we sin even though Jesus died? do we Need to Believe what He say about forgiveness....Being He said it would be preached in all the world, and then the end would come?
watch out for any method that tries to get you to see Jesus as Not right regarding salvation. the fruit Looked really delicious and seemed good for food......it didnt Lead to life though. On the Other Hand, what God said, turned Out to Be the truth" adam died and so did all Mankind. go with the One God sent. agrre with Jesus and you cant go wrong thats a fact.