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Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
According to scripture, you seem to have it backwards bro.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
According to scripture, you seem to have it backwards bro.
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There is no faith in that statement.
You are never going to get any faith from the word if you think the Bible is only talking just to the Jews of the flesh.
O ye of little faith. Do you not know you are a Jew in spirit?
James is talking to the church here
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
And Paul is talking to you here.
Romans 2: 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
You are never going to get any faith from the word if you think the Bible is only talking just to the Jews of the flesh.
O ye of little faith. Do you not know you are a Jew in spirit?
James is talking to the church here
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
And Paul is talking to you here.
Romans 2: 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
Originally Posted by 4runner
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
According to scripture, you seem to have it backwards bro.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
According to scripture, you seem to have it backwards bro.
P
I am starting to see how you have gone astray because you have respect of persons.
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Even Jesus respected not persons, not the Jews of old or is own family
Matt12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
God hardeneth whom he hardeneth and there is nothing I can do about it. But I can do this. Warn the wicked of their wicked ways, so your blood is not on my hands.
I know this that you don’t have to remain hardened.
When the tribulation starts you will have to go back and start again with your Bible study
Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Have you not read in the scripters how by faith we are grafted in to Jesus the word? Then by faith we are grafted in to the twelve tribes, and by faith we are all one and one blood, and baptised into the same spirit we are all one by faith. There is not two people of god, there is only one people by faith. We are all the children of God by faith.
I am starting to see how you have gone astray with your Bible study because you have respect of persons
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Even Jesus respected not persons, not the Jews of old or is own family
Matt12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
God hardeneth whom he hardeneth and there is nothing I can do about it. But I can do this. Warn the wicked of their wicked ways, so your blood is not on my hands.
I know this that you don’t have to remain hardened.
When the tribulation starts you will have to go back and start again with your Bible study
Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Have you not read in the scripters how by faith we are grafted in to Jesus the word? Then by faith we are grafted in to the twelve tribes, and by faith we are all one and one blood, and baptised into the same spirit we are all one by faith. There is not two people of god, there is only one people by faith. We are all the children of God by faith.
I am starting to see how you have gone astray with your Bible study because you have respect of persons
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Thanks, but I have not "gone astray". I am not "hardened". Please do not worry about my blood being on your hands. I fully know that God is no respecter of persons. Salvation is available to anyone who wants it. In this day and time, we are saved when we confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead. Jew or gentile, it makes no difference. Both are to become Christian. And the Christian church will be gathered together before the tribulation starts. All Christians will be gathered, none will be left.
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- Psa.37.39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
- Matt.10.17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
- Matt.10.18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
- Matt.10.19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
- Matt.10.20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
- Matt.10.21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
- Matt.10.22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
- Matt 24:9-14 "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
- Matt.24.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
- Matt.24.23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
- Matt.24.24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
- Matt.24.25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt.24.26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. - Matt.24.27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
- Matt 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matt 13 tares and the wheat Let both grow together until the harvest. The harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are the angels.
- Matthew 28:20 ...'lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the age
- Luke 21:28 When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh..
- John.16.33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
- Acts.14.22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
- 2 Peter 3:10 ...'But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
- 2 Thes 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is afterthe working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,"
- Rev.1.7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
- Rev.7.14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
- Rom 11:15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
- matt 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
- 2 thess 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction
- John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
- John 11:24 ...'Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.'
- John 12:48 ...'He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
- Rev 13:12-15
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed - 'Rev 9:3-4
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their forehead - eph 6:12-13 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. - Rev 13:8 (speaking about the antichrist)
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. - James 1:12
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
- Dan 12:11-12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 1290
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 1335*
J
According to the bible they are not sealed untill after the great tribulation in Rev 7:1-3. Here are some scriptures that show that the bible doesn't support once saved always saved. Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure until the end the same shall be saved.
Romans 8:24-25 "For we are saved by hope, but hope that is seen is not hope, for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."
Titus 3:8"....that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works."
Psalms 69:27-28 "Add iniquity to their iniquity:and let them not come into thy righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous." One can be blotted out of the book of life. James 2:20 "but wilt thou know, o vain man, that faith without works is dead"
Romans 8:24-25 "For we are saved by hope, but hope that is seen is not hope, for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."
Titus 3:8"....that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works."
Psalms 69:27-28 "Add iniquity to their iniquity:and let them not come into thy righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous." One can be blotted out of the book of life. James 2:20 "but wilt thou know, o vain man, that faith without works is dead"
Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
That's not addressed to Christians. Jesus was addressing Jews (Israel), and talking about the trib.
He is talking about the hope. The Christian's hope is the return of Christ, and being raised to eternal life. It is not talking about the state of being saved.
Yes, Christians will be judged for their works. But they will be saved.
1 Cor 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
That's OT. Christians are born again. It is incorruptible seed. 1 Pet 1:23
If we have faith, we will do good works. Yet:
Eph 2:
8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Good works will not get you saved, nor does it keep you saved. Salvation is the gift of God which we receive by acting on Romans 10:9.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
That's not addressed to Christians. Jesus was addressing Jews (Israel), and talking about the trib.
He is talking about the hope. The Christian's hope is the return of Christ, and being raised to eternal life. It is not talking about the state of being saved.
Yes, Christians will be judged for their works. But they will be saved.
1 Cor 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
That's OT. Christians are born again. It is incorruptible seed. 1 Pet 1:23
If we have faith, we will do good works. Yet:
Eph 2:
8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Good works will not get you saved, nor does it keep you saved. Salvation is the gift of God which we receive by acting on Romans 10:9.
J
yes we are saved by faith in Christ, but the bible is very clear that the commandments are still to be observed Matt 5:17-18 Think not that I'm come to destroy the law or the prophets:I am not come to destroy but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, til all be fulfilled.
Hebrews 10:26-31 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifices for sins. But a certain fearfull looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
1 John 2:4 "He that sayeth, I know him, but keepeth not his commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him."
The law of love is the commandments Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, Thou shall not steal, Thou shall not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"
John 14:15 "If you love me keep my commandments"
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, til all be fulfilled.
Hebrews 10:26-31 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifices for sins. But a certain fearfull looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
1 John 2:4 "He that sayeth, I know him, but keepeth not his commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him."
The law of love is the commandments Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, Thou shall not steal, Thou shall not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"
John 14:15 "If you love me keep my commandments"
P
You stink with respect of persons and you don’t even know it.
In Moses day they got stoned for worshiping other gods or being in bed with false prophets.
And in the book of Timothy he would have cast you back to satin for a time.
But these days we have to let both grow together until the harvest. O I forgot you will be resurrected before the harvest. Before the ten virgins, before the end of the world, before the angels separate the good from the bad. You say the parables from Jesus, and the last trumpet and the resurrection of the just in Rv11 are for the Jews of the flesh.
It sounds to me like you are taking away from the words of the book of this prophecy.
Through one man's sin many were made sinners.
NOW my hands are clean from you blood.
Rv22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
In Moses day they got stoned for worshiping other gods or being in bed with false prophets.
And in the book of Timothy he would have cast you back to satin for a time.
But these days we have to let both grow together until the harvest. O I forgot you will be resurrected before the harvest. Before the ten virgins, before the end of the world, before the angels separate the good from the bad. You say the parables from Jesus, and the last trumpet and the resurrection of the just in Rv11 are for the Jews of the flesh.
It sounds to me like you are taking away from the words of the book of this prophecy.
Through one man's sin many were made sinners.
NOW my hands are clean from you blood.
Rv22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
LOL. You're a real pleasant fellow.
This isn't Moses' day, and you certainly aren't Moses, I do not worship a false god, nor am I in bed with false prophets.
Do you even know what that means? And by the way, satin sheets are pretty nice.
You hear wrong. You do not understand. And because of your religious ignorance and piety, you condemn me.
Feel better? I thought you did that last time.
If I am wrong, I'll find out. But until I'm proven wrong, I believe the Christian church will be gathered together before the trib.
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