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ANIOHEVTORAH

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Rev. 21:2-3
Then I, John, saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from GOD, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of GOD is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. GOD Himself will be with them and be their GOD.

I have heard a few different thoughts on this. Since I have gotten into a couple hard discussions with a few on here. I thought this would be fun to get into.
I would like to know other peoples thoughts on just what they believe the New Jerusalem is, is it spiritual only, physical only, both?
Do you believe it will literally come down to earth as it says, or no?

Anyone?
 
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ANIOHEVTORAH said:
Rev. 21:2-3
Then I, John, saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from GOD, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of GOD is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. GOD Himself will be with them and be their GOD.

I have heard a few different thoughts on this. Since I have gotten into a couple hard discussions with a few on here. I thought this would be fun to get into.
I would like to know other peoples thoughts on just what they believe the New Jerusalem is, is it spiritual only, physical only, both?
Do you believe it will literally come down to earth as it says, or no?

Anyone?
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I believe New Jerusalem is the peace that descends on us when we repent of our sin.
 
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The New Jerusalem is clearly a physical "new" heaven that all saints will have access to that will sit upon the new Earth. The dimensions are even given and a vivid description of the foundational walls and gates. If it were not a physical thing, I don't believe the Bible would be so clear on all of its proportions -- even going into what precious stones will be used in the walls. I believe God will make this new heaven because the last one was defiled by satan.
 
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Both spiritual and physical.

Hebrews 12 says we're already there...
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, [SUP]23 [/SUP]to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, [SUP]24 [/SUP]to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

It starts out spiritual but progresses to the full redemption of spiritual and physical.

Like we're seated in heavenly places in Christ now.
But we'll also have our physical body resurrected, transformed, and changed from corruption to incorruption.

The final New Jerusalem will be a physical redeemed part of creation.

IMO.
 
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ANIOHEVTORAH said:
So if you believe that this is something spiritual. What are your thoughts of the detailed physical attributes?
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I think heaven is the peace of mind we get when we repent of our sin. You can also call it "New Jerusalem":

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17

When we die, I think we pass on to the resurrection. Your guess is as good as mine what exactly that is. I would suspect it would be something like the life we now have. All that have passed before us will be there.
 
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ANIOHEVTORAH said:
Rev. 21:2-3
Then I, John, saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from GOD, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of GOD is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. GOD Himself will be with them and be their GOD.

I have heard a few different thoughts on this. Since I have gotten into a couple hard discussions with a few on here. I thought this would be fun to get into.
I would like to know other peoples thoughts on just what they believe the New Jerusalem is, is it spiritual only, physical only, both?
Do you believe it will literally come down to earth as it says, or no?

Anyone?
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New Jerusalem is a physical place that will literally come down from Heaven
 
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New Jerusalem is a physical place that will literally come down from Heaven
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Will you be coming down with the New Jerusalem, too, sinless? After all you claim to be leading a sinless life now on earth. :rolleyes:
 
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Will you be coming down with the New Jerusalem, too, sinless? After all you claim to be leading a sinless life now on earth. :rolleyes:
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Yes, as long as I persevere, keeping my faith firm until the end, finishing my race I will be in New Jerusalem one day
 
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don't forget having to be sinless in addition to your faith...right?
 
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The New Heaven and the New Earth will be a perfect combination of the beautiful physicality of Earth and the supernatural holiness of Heaven.
 
ANIOHEVTORAH

ANIOHEVTORAH

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Radius said:
Will you be coming down with the New Jerusalem, too, sinless? After all you claim to be leading a sinless life now on earth. :rolleyes:
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Please don't come on here high jacking my thread by picking a fight with someone else. I appreciate, thank you.
 
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Originally Posted by sinless
Man is NOT justified by faith alone
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God's Word says otherwise.
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haha, the crazy thing is this is a direct quote from the Bible, and you say God's word says otherwise. This only shows your biblical illiteracy


James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
 
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Faith without works is dead
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You misinterpret the meaning "faith without works is dead." This is a great commentary on the subject and please read. You'll be glad you did.

James 2:


  • 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
    23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


James 2:14 begins a new paragraph and addresses the matter of those who say they have faith

but their faith does not produce any fruit (works) in their lives. (V14) This shows the context or

subject of the paragraph. Therefore the subject of this passage is bring attention to those who

claim to be Christians, but do not live for the Lord. Their lives then produce no fruit which

means God is not working in their lives. James says in verse 14, "What doth it profit, my

brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" (James

2:14) Note that he defines the type of faith he is addressing by the statement "though a man

"say" he hath faith." In other words this passage is addressed to the one who claims or says

they have saving faith. James is showing that this is a feigned faith because it produces

nothing in this person's life. I can say I am an airplane pilot, but one would rightly question my

claim if I never flew airplanes. I might even get into the cockpit of a plane and play with the

controls, but if I did not fly the plane my claim of being a pilot would certainly be suspect. So,

James' last phrase "can faith save him" means can a pretended faith that has no effect on a

person save them. The answer is obvious, no. Note what God says about the person who has

true saving faith. "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed

away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17) James further clarifies the

subject by his statement in verse 18, "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works:

shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." He is certainly

not saying that works saves, but salvation produces visible works. This is the key to

interpreting the passage.



To interpret the passage is simple. James is saying that if a person says they have true saving

faith, their faith will produce works in their life. You will be able to see their faith in action. The

justification spoken of here is not salvation, but justifying one calling himself a Christian and

claiming to have saving faith when he is not living for the Lord. In other words a man who says

he is saved and does not show any outward evidence of salvation then his salvation is in doubt

because it produces no works or result in the man's life. The person who has saving faith and

works is publicly justified in claiming to be have faith and be saved. His works show his faith.

The one who has no works, whether he is saved or not, is not justified in outwardly saying he

has saving faith, because his lack of works does not justify his claim.
 
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Your flim flammory does not change what scripture actually says ;)
 
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ANIOHEVTORAH said:
Rev. 21:2-3
Then I, John, saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from GOD, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of GOD is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. GOD Himself will be with them and be their GOD.

I have heard a few different thoughts on this. Since I have gotten into a couple hard discussions with a few on here. I thought this would be fun to get into.
I would like to know other peoples thoughts on just what they believe the New Jerusalem is, is it spiritual only, physical only, both?
Do you believe it will literally come down to earth as it says, or no?

Anyone?
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I think the New Jerusalem is a literal city put down on earth after a new heaven and new earth is made. Yes, I believe it will literally come down from heaven to earth.
 
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Radius said:
Will you be coming down with the New Jerusalem, too, sinless? After all you claim to be leading a sinless life now on earth. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE)

In God's eyes, under Christ's blood, all people who accept Christ as their personal savior are sinless.
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