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So did any of the old testament peoples ever break any other laws where a person wouldn't be stoned to death?
Since you're so into the Laws God commanded in the old testament, Jesus being God also said if you break the least of these commands, you have broken the whole law and since adultery is part of the whole law, everyone gets stoned to death and the world is no longer inhabited by humans.
I guess that law of stoning to death wasn't the answer because some of us are still doing the adultery thing today. It never cured the sin did it?
You mentioned that everyone payed for his or her own sin meaning you weren't allowed to take someone elses place, but that was only a fleshly death, whereas Jesus died for your soul. You can't mix apples and oranges. Fleshly death and spiritual death are not the same.
Therefore by that fact, Jesus didn't break God's law (man paying for his own sin and not anothers) because Jesus didn't die for your flesh, your flesh will never be saved, when He raises you from the dead it will be a new body not made of the corruptable, but rather the incorruptable which isn't of earthly matter.
So what is the cure? Jesus the Christ, (the perfect law keeper FOR US by the grace of God) was lawfully able to die in our place.
Oh and by the way, Jesus spoke all those passages you quoted while living in the old testament not the new as you stated, as there was no new testament at that time. And of a course He honored the OT,....as these (OT words) are they which testify of Me (Jesus God).
I don't have any questions for your OP as this isn't a site for muslim converts and any questions I may have are already answered in the bible. I wouldn't waste my time reading you kor'an to understand any of it because one can't make sense out of N O N S E N S E. But you are certainly welcome to ask biblical questions that is why this site is HEAR.
Sorry for the pun....
Since you're so into the Laws God commanded in the old testament, Jesus being God also said if you break the least of these commands, you have broken the whole law and since adultery is part of the whole law, everyone gets stoned to death and the world is no longer inhabited by humans.
I guess that law of stoning to death wasn't the answer because some of us are still doing the adultery thing today. It never cured the sin did it?
You mentioned that everyone payed for his or her own sin meaning you weren't allowed to take someone elses place, but that was only a fleshly death, whereas Jesus died for your soul. You can't mix apples and oranges. Fleshly death and spiritual death are not the same.
Therefore by that fact, Jesus didn't break God's law (man paying for his own sin and not anothers) because Jesus didn't die for your flesh, your flesh will never be saved, when He raises you from the dead it will be a new body not made of the corruptable, but rather the incorruptable which isn't of earthly matter.
So what is the cure? Jesus the Christ, (the perfect law keeper FOR US by the grace of God) was lawfully able to die in our place.
Oh and by the way, Jesus spoke all those passages you quoted while living in the old testament not the new as you stated, as there was no new testament at that time. And of a course He honored the OT,....as these (OT words) are they which testify of Me (Jesus God).
I don't have any questions for your OP as this isn't a site for muslim converts and any questions I may have are already answered in the bible. I wouldn't waste my time reading you kor'an to understand any of it because one can't make sense out of N O N S E N S E. But you are certainly welcome to ask biblical questions that is why this site is HEAR.
Sorry for the pun....
Who are you and what have you to teach that I may learn?
I seek the Truth in all places and tell the Truth even when I am wrong and thus you know there is no guile to be found in me but in man. For if I beguile you it is because I am beguiled.
I have faith in this solid fact that Jesus is the Christ and the God of the Bible. I have faith that the Bible is The Sword of Truth.
I seek the Truth in all places and tell the Truth even when I am wrong and thus you know there is no guile to be found in me but in man. For if I beguile you it is because I am beguiled.
I have faith in this solid fact that Jesus is the Christ and the God of the Bible. I have faith that the Bible is The Sword of Truth.
This brother puts my thoughts better than I.
Only one error, this OP is not a convert from Islam, he is ensnared by it! So you see how because of Islam he does not even know the whole purpose of Christ Because Islam denies Jesus that is why Islam is evil, because look how it is the very spirit of confusion and is a snare around our brother the OP.
Jesus is the only way and Jesus is the Son of God indeed! That is my final comment on this Thread, Amen.
Only one error, this OP is not a convert from Islam, he is ensnared by it! So you see how because of Islam he does not even know the whole purpose of Christ Because Islam denies Jesus that is why Islam is evil, because look how it is the very spirit of confusion and is a snare around our brother the OP.
Jesus is the only way and Jesus is the Son of God indeed! That is my final comment on this Thread, Amen.
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Islam is a satanic religion, proven by the way they take over and kill Christians and when they run out of Christians to kill they start killing each other. Satanic oppressed Christians find that they have no need of the cross and place their faith in something else. Like works or baptism or forty days of purpose or fasting or even doing penance and then teaching others to do the same and that is more satanic than Islam. Because we no better and have the word of God and they don't.
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As Christians, who are no longer infidels but now believe and trust in the blood of Christ, are not here in this present world to be an example, we are here in Christ's stead to be ambassadors for Christ. We are here to let the world know the that the only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ and His shed blood. We are here to preach the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the only way to salvation and to be justified from sin is by grace through faith in the living God who was raised from the dead, Christ Jesus. We are here with a word and ministry of reconciliation that all men may see Jesus Christ and Him crucified and that he has ascended to the Father and gave us the apostles and prophets and a living organism called the church, made of believers from all walks of life who have trusted in Christ for the forgiveness and cleansing of all sin and have been reconciled to God by faith in the finished work of Christ.
You, as we all, are sinners who were separated from God and have reconciliation ONLY through the blood of Christ and not through any doctrine or works of any religion. The name of God according to the scriptures is YHWH who loved the world and sent His only begotten Son into the world that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. In the name of Jesus Christ is the only way that a sinful man can be made righteous and have eternal salvation given unto him by grace. You must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His shed blood to have salvation and be removed from God's eternal wrath and condemnation. It was the love of God that made that possible through His Son Jesus Christ and ONLY Him and NO other.
You, as we all, are sinners who were separated from God and have reconciliation ONLY through the blood of Christ and not through any doctrine or works of any religion. The name of God according to the scriptures is YHWH who loved the world and sent His only begotten Son into the world that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. In the name of Jesus Christ is the only way that a sinful man can be made righteous and have eternal salvation given unto him by grace. You must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His shed blood to have salvation and be removed from God's eternal wrath and condemnation. It was the love of God that made that possible through His Son Jesus Christ and ONLY Him and NO other.
Brother, can you provide me with evident which is Brother Rivera theory that not come to pass?
I my self not talking about His theory. I am talking about his information that he wrote long time before happen
One example: Pope will apologist to holocaust victim. He wrote in the 70s and for what I am remember it start happen in the 90s
How he know? To me it is a clue that he was insider.
But it is up to you brother if you not convince.
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I my self not talking about His theory. I am talking about his information that he wrote long time before happen
One example: Pope will apologist to holocaust victim. He wrote in the 70s and for what I am remember it start happen in the 90s
How he know? To me it is a clue that he was insider.
But it is up to you brother if you not convince.
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GodTruth, when I asked: “In the light of contemporary secular society, at least, a number of the provisions of Islam strikes us as immoral at best and criminal at worst.
Where do you stand on the enforcement of Islamic rules against apostasy and strict enforcement of Islamic laws again sexual relations outside marriage?”
You responded with Old Testament passages specifying death for both apostasy and adultery.
In instances of prostitution you cited Leviticus 21:9 “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.”
However, you go one step further and proclaim: “Why should only a daughter of a priest gets burnt to death if she profanes herself? Why can't this law apply to all daughters?”
Are you serious in believing that not only should we execute prostitutes but that we should burn them alive? Surely you do not believe apostates, adulterers, and prostitutes should be executed? Or do you believe this? You highlighted the Old Testament passages for stoning and cutting off hands, and of course we know that in Islamic controlled countries stoning and cutting off hands are relatively common punishments. These practices in my thinking are barbarous.
GodTruth, you concluded “So according to Jesus peace be upon him, the adulterer in the New Testament must be put to death.”
I ask you, do you support the death penalty for apostasy, adultery, and prostitution?
Where do you stand on the enforcement of Islamic rules against apostasy and strict enforcement of Islamic laws again sexual relations outside marriage?”
You responded with Old Testament passages specifying death for both apostasy and adultery.
In instances of prostitution you cited Leviticus 21:9 “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.”
However, you go one step further and proclaim: “Why should only a daughter of a priest gets burnt to death if she profanes herself? Why can't this law apply to all daughters?”
Are you serious in believing that not only should we execute prostitutes but that we should burn them alive? Surely you do not believe apostates, adulterers, and prostitutes should be executed? Or do you believe this? You highlighted the Old Testament passages for stoning and cutting off hands, and of course we know that in Islamic controlled countries stoning and cutting off hands are relatively common punishments. These practices in my thinking are barbarous.
GodTruth, you concluded “So according to Jesus peace be upon him, the adulterer in the New Testament must be put to death.”
I ask you, do you support the death penalty for apostasy, adultery, and prostitution?
This makes no sense to me, and what I mean by that is I haven't a clue as to what you just said. Are you trying to sound profound, or cryptic, or prophetic? I have not idea what this means. If I don’t understand what you have written then you’ve failed to communicate your meaning. Can you give it to me once more, but in the Queen's English?
Satan is cursed:
They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan. Whom Allaah has cursed.}[Quran 3:117-118]
“O mankind, eat from whatever is on earth [that is] lawful and good and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. He only orders you to evil and immorality and to say about Allah what you do not know.” Al-Baqarah, 2: 168
“Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.”Al-Baqarah, 2: 268
“O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?” Al-Mâ’idah, 5: 90-91
for full details on what Allah tells about satan please refer here:
IslamBasics
Jesus is praised in Quran:
The Birth of Jesus
Surah III, vs.
45: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the one of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God.
Vs. 46: "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
Vs. 47: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a Plan, He but saith to it, "Be", and it is!
The Mission of Jesus (PBUH)
Vs. 48: And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, The Law and the Gospel,
Vs. 49: "And appoint him an Apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a sign from your Lord, In that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye should store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if you believe.
Vs. 50: "(1 have come to you), to attest the Law which was be- fore me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God and obey me.
Vs. 51: "It is God who is my Lord and your Lord; Then worship Him, in a way that is straight".
Quran honors Mary:
And remember when the angels said, 'ALLAH has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above all women of the time.
[Quran 3:042]
They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan. Whom Allaah has cursed.}[Quran 3:117-118]
“O mankind, eat from whatever is on earth [that is] lawful and good and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. He only orders you to evil and immorality and to say about Allah what you do not know.” Al-Baqarah, 2: 168
“Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.”Al-Baqarah, 2: 268
“O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?” Al-Mâ’idah, 5: 90-91
for full details on what Allah tells about satan please refer here:
IslamBasics
Jesus is praised in Quran:
The Birth of Jesus
Surah III, vs.
45: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the one of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God.
Vs. 46: "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
Vs. 47: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a Plan, He but saith to it, "Be", and it is!
The Mission of Jesus (PBUH)
Vs. 48: And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, The Law and the Gospel,
Vs. 49: "And appoint him an Apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a sign from your Lord, In that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye should store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if you believe.
Vs. 50: "(1 have come to you), to attest the Law which was be- fore me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God and obey me.
Vs. 51: "It is God who is my Lord and your Lord; Then worship Him, in a way that is straight".
Quran honors Mary:
And remember when the angels said, 'ALLAH has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above all women of the time.
[Quran 3:042]