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He has had a tough day - I have pinned him down over and over and over today pointing out the errors and deficiencies in his theology.
His repertoire is rather limited and he gets a bit defensive when the holes are exposed...
I hear ya mate....I am on your time frame....In the "Riff" NSW hahahahh peace bro....
 

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I hear ya mate....I am on your time frame....In the "Riff" NSW hahahahh peace bro....
You need to spread your wings a bit!
The weather up here in Queensland at this time of the year is beaut!
The locals have a saying here "the weather is beautiful one day and perfect the next!"
We are even friendly!
Don't believe the rumours about drop-bears....
 

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He has had a tough day - I have pinned him down over and over and over today pointing out the errors and deficiencies in his theology.
His repertoire is rather limited and he gets a bit defensive when the holes are exposed...
by pinned down you mean you didnt use Scripture and ignored the fact Hebrews 7 uses 2 different greek words, yeah sure.

For the lawyer who accused me 5 times in 6 statements

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Do you keep the very law you peddle......nope, so what value does your law blend false gospel accomplish? Nothing but condemnation
I see you are good at calling names.

well the Messiah;s words are the standard, may we all seek Him
 
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you sure are a pillar of truth and respect are you not...

So quote a single post of mine and show me my error, surely if I am worthy of such words you can illustrate my error?
A simple, honest yes or no.

Do you keep the law?

No tap dancing just a yes or no will suffice.....here I will show you how easy it is....

Do I keep the law? NO

AS a matter of fact....NO ONE DOES...much less those who peddle the law like a street organ player with a dancing monkey in Calcutta!
 

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Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
 

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by pinned down you mean you didnt use Scripture and ignored the fact Hebrews 7 uses 2 different greek words, yeah sure.
You might want to check the posts first before you say such silly things!
Nothing has been ignored...
Also, it doesn't change the meaning of the text - the Torah is still not part of the New covenant...
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 1:26-28, “And above the expanse over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone. And on the likeness of the throne was a likeness as the appearance of a man high above it. And from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw what looked like glowing metal with the appearance of fire all around within it. And from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw what looked like fire, and brightness all around. As the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the esteem of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:44-45, “That I might [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]guard Your Law[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] continually, Forever and ever; That I might [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]walk in liberty[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], For I have sought Your orders.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]this[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] we know that we love the children of Yah, when [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]we love Yah and guard His commands[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For t[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]his is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:22-25, “And become [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]doers of the Word[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]perfect Law of liberty[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]doing[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]
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John 8:42-47 The Children of the Devil Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, YOU WOULD LOVE ME, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. YOU BELONG TO YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a LIAR and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
 
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Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

New International Version 1984 Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you HYPOCRITES; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Romans 3:31 Do we, then,
NULLIFY THE LAW by this faith? Not at all! Rather, WE UPHOLD THE LAW.

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
 
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so your hate filled rant teaches what?

that condemnation is written on the heart?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

yet he calls it love:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
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Hate filled.....hey accusatory Pharisee do you keep the law? Nope.....just another faux law keeper......
 
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You might want to check the posts first before you say such silly things!
Nothing has been ignored...
Also, it doesn't change the meaning of the text - the Torah is still not part of the New covenant...
Amen....ask him if he keeps the law or how that helps his salvation...then get accused of hate, not knowing scripture etc....just another faux Hebrew roots law keeper that does not keep the law...
 

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Amen....ask him if he keeps the law or how that helps his salvation...then get accused of hate, not knowing scripture etc....just another faux Hebrew roots law keeper that does not keep the law...
Oh, he's had a go at me a few times but it is as I said - his theology got shot full of holes today....
 
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by pinned down you mean you didnt use Scripture and ignored the fact Hebrews 7 uses 2 different greek words, yeah sure.



I see you are good at calling names.

well the Messiah;s words are the standard, may we all seek Him
Yeah accuser....what name did I call you...? Jesus called your kind names...so did John the Baptist...you know...lawyers and Pharisees that peddled a law keeping self saving false gosple ........
 
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Hardly any excuse is it....

As for Matt 5:18,
Paul clearly and unambiguously teaches that the Law is NOT binding on New covenant believers, and Luke also in his narrative of the Acts of the Apostles details the Jerusalem council where the explicit conclusion of that council is that the Law is NOT binding on New covenant believers...

These texts are understandable to a ten year old, both what Paul wrote and what Luke wrote...

So, no, the problem is not that this stuff is difficult to comprehend, it may just be difficult to accept...
Chalk and cheese!

You have set Paul (and Luke?) and Jesus up in opposition to each other!
That is your problem, and error, not mine...
Exactly......and blind to the truth that the law had one purpose...to condemn and bring sin to light while pointing to the only cure...Jesus by faith!
 
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You need to spread your wings a bit!
The weather up here in Queensland at this time of the year is beaut!
The locals have a saying here "the weather is beautiful one day and perfect the next!"
We are even friendly!
Don't believe the rumours about drop-bears....
Amen bro.....taking a cruise up to Morton Island in a little over a week ;)