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No I am saying you can be Jewish without accepting Jesus...I don't believe Jews are saved if they reject Jesus, even though they worship God the Father


...I believe in Christ there is no difference between Jew or gentile.
exactly....NO MAN comes unto the FATHER except through the SON (JESUS)......and in Christ there is neither JEW nor GENTILE as the two have become one......
 
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correct me if I am wrong. I see you talk a lot of times about healing in us, hurts dealt with and love.

A lot of you say concerning this I do actually give credence to.

But I do have to say that I do disagree with your quote
Imputed righteousness misses the point of love, how sin is washed away, how
barriers are broken, how hurts that drove us before and no longer there[/QUOTE]

Imputed righteousness has nothing to do with missing the point of love, barriers broken, hurts an pain healed.

Imputed righteousness was given as a result of our sins being washed away and when believed and prayed

Romans 10:9-11
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

So to me God working in us to heal us from anything that hurts us, hurts others things that affect our walk with him and others has nothing to do with righteousness.

Its a loving Father who works in us to conform us to the image of Christ.

With regard to righteousness

Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;[/QUOTE]


AMEN and I agree.......many deny this......
 
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Lol someone labeled me reformed. Another said i teach easy believism.,,.,so labels of people given by others, I take with a grain of salt,,,in that it's often misrepresenting what those people actually believe.

We can talk about the label hyper grace and what it implies. If folks want to take it further and accuse folks of believing that doctrine...well that is a different story and would need more investigation.
HAHHAH yep I agree......what one thinks means zero at the end of the day.........what does the Lord think is all that matters.....
 
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Sorry but make absolutely no sense at all.

If you want engage then I encourage you to write in a way that people can understand then can engage.

off course that depends on whether you want to engage or just tell and impose, which seems to be the case given your above post that quite frankly I can't see how it relates to enhances this thread.
thats' why Jesus in His day spoke in parables to those minding the flesh, because they could only rationalize fleshly things, beings that things of the Spirit were most foreign to them and made no sense...It's no difference among the religious circles today.. things of the Spirit make no sense to them, Matt. 13-15
 
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AMEN.....IT IS FINISHED is clear.....the debt between man and God has been settled.....end of story......the problem is now faith.....either believe in the sacrifice of JESUS and it's sufficiency or NOT......
Jesus did not pay any sin debt, for a dept paid cannot possibly be forgiven,(therefore canceling out mercy, of the which triumphs over condemnation)...... but rather at Calvary He purchased the souls of whosoever should deny themselves, pick up their cross of persecution, and follow after Him, in that they might through repentance be reconciled back to God via His wonderful mercy, and he that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.....That my friend is the finished works of Christ..in short He established the New Covenant and did away with the old....But this mercy, love, and long suffering will by no means justify the guilty sinners who repented not Exodus 34, because the wrath of God abides still upon the children of disobedience, and the servant of sin abides NOT in the house forever....
 
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some perceive that Jesus sacrifice was not enough to take away sin, (or as Matt. 1 says "He came to save His people from their sin".... not in their sin..
 
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thats' why Jesus in His day spoke in parables to those minding the flesh, because they could only rationalize fleshly things, beings that things of the Spirit were most foreign to them and made no sense...It's no difference among the religious circles today.. things of the Spirit make no sense to them, Matt. 13-15
That wasn't a parable and you aren't Jesus.
 
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Jesus did not pay any sin debt, for a dept paid cannot possibly be forgiven,(therefore canceling out mercy, of the which triumphs over condemnation)...... but rather at Calvary He purchased the souls of whosoever should deny themselves, pick up their cross of persecution, and follow after Him, in that they might through repentance be reconciled back to God via His wonderful mercy, and he that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.....That my friend is the finished works of Christ..in short He established the New Covenant and did away with the old....But this mercy, love, and long suffering will by no means justify the guilty sinners who repented not Exodus 34, because the wrath of God abides still upon the children of disobedience, and the servant of sin abides NOT in the house forever....
This is lacking any biblical comprehension and exactly why you miss the mark pal.....and straight from the pits of hell......!
 
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His false gospel is straight from the flaming pits.........satanic as can be.....!
Its got just enough truth mixed in to get the kids to eat the candy...

For example Jesus did establish the New Covenant and did away with the old.

What we don't agree with is exactly what the New Covenant is and what Jesus accomplished upon the cross.

He may just be listening to and repeating lies Dcon.

For example why can't a debt both be forgiven and paid?

If you crash your dad's car into a tree...you dad can both forgive you and pay for the car to get fixed.
 
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2 Timothy 4:1-5 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

Titus 3:10-11 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
 

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Jesus did not pay any sin debt, for a dept paid cannot possibly be forgiven,(therefore canceling out mercy, of the which triumphs over condemnation)...... but rather at Calvary He purchased the souls of whosoever should deny themselves, pick up their cross of persecution, and follow after Him, in that they might through repentance be reconciled back to God via His wonderful mercy, and he that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.....That my friend is the finished works of Christ..in short He established the New Covenant and did away with the old....But this mercy, love, and long suffering will by no means justify the guilty sinners who repented not Exodus 34, because the wrath of God abides still upon the children of disobedience, and the servant of sin abides NOT in the house forever....
i never herd about it, can you show from what book in the Bible said Jesus did not pay any sin debt. And what is the different between sin and sin debt?
 
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Colossians 2:10-20 ESV

And you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross
 
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Ephesians 1
13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.

15For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your lovef toward all the saints, 16I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

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Jesus is upon his throne...why do some people doubt it?
 
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Its got just enough truth mixed in to get the kids to eat the candy...

For example Jesus did establish the New Covenant and did away with the old.

What we don't agree with is exactly what the New Covenant is and what Jesus accomplished upon the cross.

He may just be listening to and repeating lies Dcon.

For example why can't a debt both be forgiven and paid?

If you crash your dad's car into a tree...you dad can both forgive you and pay for the car to get fixed.
It is and the bible is clear.......he was the propitiation for our sins....the word propitiation IS PAYMENT and we have been redeemed which is BOUGHT BACK and in CHRIST we are FORGIVEN......SPONGEBOB has consistently proven that his view of the bible is not only skewed, but is also false, deceptive and not of GOD.....a false gospel with NO POWER, double cursed and one that will not lead to the kingdom of GOD!
 
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i never herd about it, can you show from what book in the Bible said Jesus did not pay any sin debt. And what is the different between sin and sin debt?
HE cannot because he is in error with his false belief...

REDEEMED<--bought back
Propitiation<--PAYMENT
IT IS FINISHED<--legal terminology PAID IN FULL
FORGIVEN in CHRIST
Without the shedding of blood there can be NO REMISSION of sins

Do not for one second buy his false gospel which leads to the flaming pits of hell....he preaches a sinless, perfectionist working for save yourself dogma......
 
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Colossians 2:10-20 ESV

And you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross
With one verse the lies of SATAN and his minions can be squashed.........imagine the LIE of saying we are not forgiven in Christ and by Christ.........deception from hell for sure.....
 
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Ephesians 1
13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.

15For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your lovef toward all the saints, 16I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

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Jesus is upon his throne...why do some people doubt it?
SIMPLE....they are.....

a. Deceived
b. Lost
c. Blind
d. Not saved
e. Ignorant of the word
f. And or willfully blind to it
 
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so we only lose rewards i like this concept this wins it :) whats a reward anyways who needs rewards ?
No one needs a reward, but the Lord loves to give them,

we we all need salvation, and all the rewards in the universe are meaningless if we are not saved, and we can. OT earn salvation, ever,