Not By Works
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Readers out there need to know this. This needs to be exposed as error, otherwise people they will become entrapped in a system of works to keep salvation which on a day-to-day basis becomes a burden God never imposed on his children.
This thread has meandered in so many different directions..... but let’s get James straight within the context of all scriptures that tell us that we are saved eternally.
Which by the way is the only way to understand the Bible!
Statements such as “if you have faith, you will have works” need to be put to eternal rest as in Die!!
This is a salvation-base, and works-based response to and application of James message.
He isn’t questioning the faith or salvation of his audience because of the absence of works; rather he is questioning
the absence of works ‘given’ their faith and salvation taken at face value.
He urging them not to have dead faith...dead meaning USELESS ... while these works are not to save us or even to prove we are saved they do help with our testimony (justify) before men.
Readers out there need to know this. This needs to be exposed as error, otherwise people they will become entrapped in a system of works to keep salvation which on a day-to-day basis becomes a burden God never imposed on his children.
This thread has meandered in so many different directions..... but let’s get James straight within the context of all scriptures that tell us that we are saved eternally.
Which by the way is the only way to understand the Bible!
Statements such as “if you have faith, you will have works” need to be put to eternal rest as in Die!!
This is a salvation-base, and works-based response to and application of James message.
He isn’t questioning the faith or salvation of his audience because of the absence of works; rather he is questioning
the absence of works ‘given’ their faith and salvation taken at face value.
He urging them not to have dead faith...dead meaning USELESS ... while these works are not to save us or even to prove we are saved they do help with our testimony (justify) before men.
Hmmmm.
Not everyone looks it up.
And I like to think that I'm posting for persons reading along. They definitely won't look it up.
it's good to learn from each other.
Sometimes a person sees something in a verse that maybe someone else doesn't.
I definitely would post the scripture and then comment on it, if I were you.
(just a suggestion)
Not everyone looks it up.
And I like to think that I'm posting for persons reading along. They definitely won't look it up.
it's good to learn from each other.
Sometimes a person sees something in a verse that maybe someone else doesn't.
I definitely would post the scripture and then comment on it, if I were you.
(just a suggestion)
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oh yes, his flesh would have been definately been 'destroyed' had he not 'REPENTED'...
we all must learn that when we do sin, we do have our 'Intercessor', Jesus Christ',
whom is sitting right beside God on the THRONE,- 'If we confess our sins',
'He is Faithful and Just to 'forgive' us our transgressions'...
it's all about our Saviour's Love and Sacrifice for us all...
this is our Saviour's JOB, this is what He DOES for US, as we have need of Him,
as it is written: 'For if, when we were 'enemies', we were reconciled to God by the death
of His Son, much more, being 'reconciled', we 'shall' be 'saved-by-His-Life'.
oh yes, his flesh would have been definately been 'destroyed' had he not 'REPENTED'...
we all must learn that when we do sin, we do have our 'Intercessor', Jesus Christ',
whom is sitting right beside God on the THRONE,- 'If we confess our sins',
'He is Faithful and Just to 'forgive' us our transgressions'...
it's all about our Saviour's Love and Sacrifice for us all...
this is our Saviour's JOB, this is what He DOES for US, as we have need of Him,
as it is written: 'For if, when we were 'enemies', we were reconciled to God by the death
of His Son, much more, being 'reconciled', we 'shall' be 'saved-by-His-Life'.
Listen to the difference EG:
OSAS is a doctrine from hell.
Now listen to this:
Peter, why don't you give your life to God?
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in the first instance, I'm judging my opinion about OSAS.
in the second instance, by your telling Peter go give his life to God, you are ASSUMING that he hasn't and thus is lost.
There's a difference EG.
OSAS is a doctrine from hell.
Now listen to this:
Peter, why don't you give your life to God?
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in the first instance, I'm judging my opinion about OSAS.
in the second instance, by your telling Peter go give his life to God, you are ASSUMING that he hasn't and thus is lost.
There's a difference EG.
Being sorry for our sins does NOT gain us salvation.. Grace through faith and belief in Jesus does.. Only 3 ingredients needed for salvation: grace, faith and belief.
You do have God in a really tiny box.
But have no fear, He will not stay there...
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EG,
this hurts my heart to hear you say such a thing...trust God, He grabbed ahold of you
just when He wanted to...'past 'sin's, wiped clean, after true 'conversion', and then
our Holy Saviour's loving heart gives us a brand new chance to walk with Him,
hands holding hands and then He teaches us about the Holy Gift of Repentance,
when we fail Him and others -
His reason for sitting on the right hand of God on the Throne - our Holy Intercessor for the rest of
our lives...can anything beat this for The Perfect 'gift of Love'?
EG,
this hurts my heart to hear you say such a thing...trust God, He grabbed ahold of you
just when He wanted to...'past 'sin's, wiped clean, after true 'conversion', and then
our Holy Saviour's loving heart gives us a brand new chance to walk with Him,
hands holding hands and then He teaches us about the Holy Gift of Repentance,
when we fail Him and others -
His reason for sitting on the right hand of God on the Throne - our Holy Intercessor for the rest of
our lives...can anything beat this for The Perfect 'gift of Love'?
You refuse to use scripture...
Here it is:
3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life
.8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
The works in vs 8 are not to save us, or maintain salvation, Paul proved that in verse 5.
Paul did not contradict himself.
Not by works of righteousness...
YOU are the one who is Always saying that our righteousness is Worth nothing.
You're RIGHT.
These are the WORKS that are OBEDIENCE TO LAW.
They are Worth nothing.
verse 5
BUT we who HAVE believed in God should be careful to MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS.
These are works known as OBEDIENCE OF FAITH.
These are worthy in the eyes of God.
So now you know what the two terms mean.
Does it help you?
WE ARE TO MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS. WE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD.
and we are to be CAREFUL to do this. That sounds like a warning... as he warned many times...
Here it is:
3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life
.8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
The works in vs 8 are not to save us, or maintain salvation, Paul proved that in verse 5.
Paul did not contradict himself.
Not by works of righteousness...
YOU are the one who is Always saying that our righteousness is Worth nothing.
You're RIGHT.
These are the WORKS that are OBEDIENCE TO LAW.
They are Worth nothing.
verse 5
BUT we who HAVE believed in God should be careful to MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS.
These are works known as OBEDIENCE OF FAITH.
These are worthy in the eyes of God.
So now you know what the two terms mean.
Does it help you?
WE ARE TO MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS. WE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD.
and we are to be CAREFUL to do this. That sounds like a warning... as he warned many times...