Not concreted...just interesting.

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He gets totally demon posessed when he dies and comes back I think.
The king of Tyre and the destroyer are a man. I think those texts are about the antichrist.
 

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My goodness, even a dove? I knew of other occult symbols. But this dove flies up, the occult symbol one flies down. They also have an upside down cross.
Christian Occult Symbols: Hexagrams and Doves
Dunno, my dad had to throw away his expensive curtains because my mom said there were occult symbols on it.
It wasn't the dove that caught my attention. It was the sunburst. Google the Catholic sun symbology and see the striking resemblance. I've been told I'm misguided on this but I don't think so. Because of the Catholic use of sun worship symbology I'd stay clear of it. 1Thess. 5:22 'Abstain from all appearance of evil.'

Even the inverted dove is used by some churches and other Christian productions. I think Aleister Crowley utilizes the inverted dove imagery. Trinity Broadcasting Network uses the upside down dove.

Pointing to the wolves on TBN only reinforces my premise that occult symbols face no real resistance by the apostate Church.
 

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The coming Antichrist isn't even going to be a flesh born man. It will be Satan, the dragon, himself, for he also has the image of man, as all the angels do per God's Word.

Many have failed to understand Matt.24:23-26, 2 Thess.2, and Rev.13:11 forward about the great wonders and miracles the Antichrist is coming to do. No flesh born man has ever... done those great signs, wonders, and miracles, (excepting our Lord Jesus and Jesus is GOD The Savior).

In Matt.24:23-26, Jesus showed that coming pseudo-Christ will work wonders and signs that, IF possible, would deceive even His very elect. That shows how POWERFUL of a SUPERNATURAL working on earth that false messiah will work. Have we seen any flesh born working that SUPERNATURAL type of working upon this earth to fool the majority of the world? NO!!!
Im sorry, but concerning the end time 'stuff', when somebody says 'here's where everybody but ME is failing to see'....I stop reading. Knowwhatimean Vern?
 

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I can think of at least three people in the Bible that did signs and wonders, Moses Elijah and Elisha, so did Pharaohs magicians. Satan used a Serpent to deceive Eve and Judas Iscariat to betray Christ so he doesn't have to appear as flesh and blood. It also appears that a false Prophet works the signs in the presence of the beast not the beast himself
So Moses, Elijah, and Elisha did the great signs and wonders in their day? I thought God did those???

Does that mean God is going to work great signs and wonders through this coming Antichrist??? See how silly your argument is?
 

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Im sorry, but concerning the end time 'stuff', when somebody says 'here's where everybody but ME is failing to see'....I stop reading. Knowwhatimean Vern?
I never implied any such idea, but God reveals it in His Word very simply with the "dragon" which is another name for Satan. Our Lord Jesus also revealed it in Matt.24:23-26 with the coming pseudo-Christ, because who would be given enough power of miracles to almost... deceive even Christ's very elect? And Apostle Paul did tell us that Satan transforms (disguise in the Greek) himself as an angel of light (2 Cor.11). And in Rev.17 we're shown the Antichrist coming as a king and ascends out of the bottomless pit. So it's not me that has to be right, it's God Who is right on this matter.
 

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I never implied any such idea, but God reveals it in His Word very simply with the "dragon" which is another name for Satan. Our Lord Jesus also revealed it in Matt.24:23-26 with the coming pseudo-Christ, because who would be given enough power of miracles to almost... deceive even Christ's very elect? And Apostle Paul did tell us that Satan transforms (disguise in the Greek) himself as an angel of light (2 Cor.11). And in Rev.17 we're shown the Antichrist coming as a king and ascends out of the bottomless pit. So it's not me that has to be right, it's God Who is right on this matter.
So he arrives not by birth, I concede, but who would fully know this when he takes the world's stage. I jest, when I say Obama's birth certificate is shrouded in doubt. I'm steering off the plantation possibly. And 'no' I'm not endorsing our king as the antichrist. Just tossing around some thoughts.
My lexpertise is not on the antichrist but on the apostasy of the church.
 
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If this is old news to some of you forgive me. Indulge me. Smile.

Luke 10:18 ....l beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Lightnning: Gr: astrape. The Hebrew equivalent is Baraq.

Heaven: Gr: Oranos: Sky, air, area above earth, place of stars and planets.

Satan the prince of the power of the AIR.

Issiah 14 lucifer says he will ascend above the HEIGHTS....

Heights meaning above the earths atmosphere, the 'heavens', outer space.

Heights:Hebrew: BAMA

BARAQ BAMA!

We'll see.

That day will not come till there comes a great apostasy (we are there) and that man of sin be revealed. 2Thess. 2:3

Is he being revealed at this time........?
It al makes perfect sense, if you don't think about it. :rolleyes:
 
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you know, I've learned quite a bit about what a Christian should NOT have in their home

but, I think we can overdo it also

so like if I see a rainbow, I should look away because homosexuals use that as a symbol?

sunbursts...I SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY doubt that is going to open a door to a demon..

can we please remember what Paul said regarding food offered to idols?

it can get really ridiculous

There are definitely certain things we should not have, but looking for demons under every rock or blaming demons for anything that goes wrong, reminds me more of superstition than actual hard facts

GOD created all things. If the devil takes something, because he is NOT a creator, and uses it, why jump on board and agree that rainbows, turquoise stones, doves and sunbursts are evil? They are not evil.

I'm taking Paul's advice regarding these things and I never and I won't flaunt my liberty in Christ in the face of someone who is a weak brother/sister

I've done the gauntlet regarding deliverance ministry teaching...I've seen stupid things that you would not believe...did not participate...even the term 'deliverance minister' is not biblical

ALL Christians are supposed to know how to deal with the demonic.

Some balance and proper biblical teaching anyone?
 
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ps

I do not for one second think Mr O is THE anti-Christ

He is not
 

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I've done the gauntlet regarding deliverance ministry teaching...I've seen stupid things that you would not believe...did not participate...even the term 'deliverance minister' is not biblical
I've never even heard of that term... deliverance minister?
Telling my age, I suppose, but why do I hear "Dueling Banjos" in the background?
 
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LOL...thanks for the first chuckle of my day

demons are not a funny subject, but sadly some have turned 'deliverance' into a 3 ring circus.

basically, some folks have taken a subject and turned it into a doctrine...there are NO deliverance ministers in scripture

according to Jesus, ALL saved folks should know how to deal...but in the west, it is often a very overlooked subject and because of that, so called deliverance ministers have sprung up and teach that getting rid of spiritual conflict is a difficult and very hard thing to do. Thing is, there is no such thing as POSSESSION...according to how most people seem to understand it

Scripture actually states that it is the person who has the demon and not the other way around.

how did Jesus deal with the devil when He was tempted? Did he run and find someone to perform some sort of ceremony or did someone tell Him to stay away from certain stones or art objects? NO! He simply stated 'It is written....'

We wield truth from our position IN Christ....the reason things have become so complicated, is because there is a dire LACK OF TEACHING on this subject

now I am putting on my helmet and flak jacket LOL!
 

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I reckon, in my humble opinion, it's the dove and sunburst together that makes it a religious thing. No, I don't feel a demon coming on, its just that personally i try to steer clear of all things 'Catholic looking'. Sacred heart, halos, female angel imagery, etc. Mystery Babylon all.

Each man desides for himself what he'll allow, as Paul said. No fussing here. Just caution.

But sometimes certain images can be an invitation to the 'dark side'. If somebody is having continual attacks by the enemy, I'll recommend that they do a check list of what is in their lives.

One family had a ' presence' in their home. They had the 'peace sign' design everywhere. They got rid of them and the demon left, after I reminded it that it had no more business hanging out.

Im just saying. These things are real.
 
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I reckon, in my humble opinion, it's the dove and sunburst together that makes it a religious thing. No, I don't feel a demon coming on, its just that personally i try to steer clear of all things 'Catholic looking'. Sacred heart, halos, female angel imagery, etc. Mystery Babylon all.

Each man desides for himself what he'll allow, as Paul said. No fussing here. Just caution.

But sometimes certain images can be an invitation to the 'dark side'. If somebody is having continual attacks by the enemy, I'll recommend that they do a check list of what is in their lives.

One family had a ' presence' in their home. They had the 'peace sign' design everywhere. They got rid of them and the demon left, after I reminded it that it had no more business hanging out.

Im just saying. These things are real.

yeah...I agree for the most part

I've watched enough vids on youtube...not to convince myself of anything but because I like to keep informed...some of them are so ridiculous with regards to conspiracies and symbols as to be mockery of what is real...and yet folks posting that stuff are deadly serious...

Again, there are things we do need to and should keep out of our home

For basically the same reason, I will not watch horror or demonic crap...as a child I was horribly afraid of the dark because of certain experiences I had ... I was very sensitive and it is often just that type of child that will be vulnerable to some things

I just avoid things that are open doors and especially since I am still sensitive, now tempered with discernment and armed with the Word, I think it very unwise to deliberately indulge in things you know are traps set to ensnare...Christians going into places and allowing into their minds things that are blatant adverts for the devil, do themselves no favors!
 

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Discernment is right. I'm real careful about any movies from the latter sixties on. Thats when satan took over Hollywood.
Whats sad is many Christians will watch movies with the toilet mouths and nudity and the such. One youth leader that I knew for years were encouraging the young people to go see Titanic! I kid you not. 'F' word, nudity. So many Christians are 'waxing cold' because 'lawlessness abounds'.

While I'm on it, I took note also that if you approach a Christian about a film that has the 'rot' in it and tell them, they'll answer with 'I never saw that in it'.
Some real darkness going on here. I mean DARK! I could rattle on about the 'lack of natural affection and gratitude' that IS suppose to be prevalent in the 'LAST HOUR', and it is, but I'll put the brakes on.
 

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As for the OP, back in 2013, when I was actually taking Biblical Hebrew, someone sent me a video (long gone off the internet) about this ridiculous mishmash of Hebrew and Greek to somehow prove Obama was the anti-Christ. I did a couple of pages of research, and the answer is NO! This is NOT correct.

I can copy and paste it here, but it does refer to the original video. Let me know if you want me to post it.

I have to confess I don't understand why this kind of nonsense is still flying around on the Internet, when Obama is almost gone. Unless you thing he is going to declare some kind of Marshall law and stay on long past his term? I guess that would show Trump!
 

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So he arrives not by birth, I concede, but who would fully know this when he takes the world's stage. I jest, when I say Obama's birth certificate is shrouded in doubt. I'm steering off the plantation possibly. And 'no' I'm not endorsing our king as the antichrist. Just tossing around some thoughts.
My lexpertise is not on the antichrist but on the apostasy of the church.
Where do you guys come up with the notion that Satan must be born in the flesh to appear upon this earth as we do?

Don't you guys read your Bible about angels manifesting upon this earth with image of man, like the two angels God sent to Lot per Gen.18?
 

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Where do you guys come up with the notion that Satan must be born in the flesh to appear upon this earth as we do?

Don't you guys read your Bible about angels manifesting upon this earth with image of man, like the two angels God sent to Lot per Gen.18?
well think about satan often loves to copy God to mock him if Jesus as God came and was born into flesh I wouldn't be surprised id satan did the same thing
 

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well think about satan often loves to copy God to mock him if Jesus as God came and was born into flesh I wouldn't be surprised id satan did the same thing
You know why that idea doesn't work? Because our Lord Jesus already came in the flesh once and died for us. If Satan is going mimic Christ then who would suspect he wasn't our Lord Jesus returned in His resurrected body, like suddenly appearing in the midst like our Lord Jesus did among His disciples?
 
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Where do you guys come up with the notion that Satan must be born in the flesh to appear upon this earth as we do?

Don't you guys read your Bible about angels manifesting upon this earth with image of man, like the two angels God sent to Lot per Gen.18?
He doesn't have to and he can't get into a body. It's not a demon. The antichrist will be a man, King of Tyre, the destroyer He made to destroy.
 
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oh my lands...you folks really need to get into the Bible and quit it with all the conjecture...BTW? we are told not to let our imaginations run away with us in scripture

the anti-Christ spirit is already at work in the world and has been ever since God allowed

I believe the anti-Christ is also a man through whom the devil will enact demonic miracles...I have news...there are plenty of those already going on today...I've seen one or two, such as a self-proclaimed witch holding his hand in a flaming lighter for a long period of time with no ill effects

Many believe that the anti-Christ is not an actual person...I think he is...that is my opinion

To state the anti-Christ will be born as kind of the opposite of Christ, is absolutely CONJECTURE