Not concreted...just interesting.

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As for the OP, back in 2013, when I was actually taking Biblical Hebrew, someone sent me a video (long gone off the internet) about this ridiculous mishmash of Hebrew and Greek to somehow prove Obama was the anti-Christ. I did a couple of pages of research, and the answer is NO! This is NOT correct.

I can copy and paste it here, but it does refer to the original video. Let me know if you want me to post it.

I have to confess I don't understand why this kind of nonsense is still flying around on the Internet, when Obama is almost gone. Unless you thing he is going to declare some kind of Marshall law and stay on long past his term? I guess that would show Trump!
Oh sure you know...folks love a good story! much to hard to study and such when you can get it straight outta youtube :rolleyes:

Few of us have gone to the lengths that you have gone to in your studies, but there is tons of good material and the actual Bible itself, from which to gain understanding, insight etc. Just really no excuse...but you know that

I've heard the marshall law rumors regarding the big O as well...I mean if one wants to sit around all day and invent the end of the world, I guess they can
 

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As for the OP, back in 2013, when I was actually taking Biblical Hebrew, someone sent me a video (long gone off the internet) about this ridiculous mishmash of Hebrew and Greek to somehow prove Obama was the anti-Christ. I did a couple of pages of research, and the answer is NO! This is NOT correct.

I can copy and paste it here, but it does refer to the original video. Let me know if you want me to post it.

I have to confess I don't understand why this kind of nonsense is still flying around on the Internet, when Obama is almost gone. Unless you thing he is going to declare some kind of Marshall law and stay on long past his term? I guess that would show Trump!
Could Donald be the LAST TRUMP? Just kidding everybody. I hope you understood the title of thread. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just now discovered the OBAMA CONNECTION. I'm a late bloomer. I'm old and slow. Smile.
 
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He doesn't have to and he can't get into a body. It's not a demon. The antichrist will be a man, King of Tyre, the destroyer He made to destroy.

respectfully:

you don't think demons can enter into a man?

what version of the Bible do you actually have? :confused:
 
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Could Donald be the LAST TRUMP? Just kidding everybody. I hope you understood the title of thread. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just now discovered the OBAMA CONNECTION. I'm a late bloomer. I'm old and slow. Smile.

no harm...no foul :eek:
 

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Where do you guys come up with the notion that Satan must be born in the flesh to appear upon this earth as we do?

Don't you guys read your Bible about angels manifesting upon this earth with image of man, like the two angels God sent to Lot per Gen.18?
I never said that. Satan can appear as big foot, flying saucers, dead Uncle Joe, blondes, brunettes, and red heads. All kinds of trouble.
So we're in agreement.
 

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Oh sure you know...folks love a good story! much to hard to study and such when you can get it straight outta youtube :rolleyes:

Few of us have gone to the lengths that you have gone to in your studies, but there is tons of good material and the actual Bible itself, from which to gain understanding, insight etc. Just really no excuse...but you know that

I've heard the marshall law rumors regarding the big O as well...I mean if one wants to sit around all day and invent the end of the world, I guess they can

You all know that I don't spend time on end time events other than the apostate condition of the church.

But I do hold to 'watching for HIS return.' 'Watch and pray that we may be found worthy to escape all these years things'.
 

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He doesn't have to and he can't get into a body. It's not a demon. The antichrist will be a man, King of Tyre, the destroyer He made to destroy.
I understand Rev.12:7-9 literally about our near future.
 
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respectfully:

you don't think demons can enter into a man?

what version of the Bible do you actually have? :confused:
Demons yes but not satan I think. The war is against powers and principalities in the heavenlies, demons are on earth.
 

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Demons yes but not satan I think. The war is against powers and principalities in the heavenlies, demons are on earth.
Luke 10:17-18
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, "Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through Thy name."


18 And He said unto them, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."
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Demons yes but not satan I think. The war is against powers and principalities in the heavenlies, demons are on earth.

ok...sorry

I misunderstood you to mean otherwise

thanks! :eek:
 
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Ember must of had her second cup of coffee:D
 

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I guess you guys just don't understand the two dimensions per God's Word like I do.

In the Book of Job, Satan and his angels appeared before God's Throne in Heaven, with God asking him where he'd been. Satan said walking to and fro up and down in the earth. I know some believe he was bound at Christ's death on the cross, but he still not yet, not until Rev.20, because of Rev.12:7-9 which is still future.

Gen.18 & 19 gives us a huge picture of how angels are able to appear on this earth with the image of man, eat man's food, i.e., live upon this earth. It's all the Hollywood imagery and horror writers that have confused many away from understanding how angels can be on earth in our dimension and we may not even know they are angels (Heb.13:2).

Portraying of angels in western art culture and film, and because of mention of wings in God's Word, has led many to believe they appear on earth like that, when God's Word shows they can appear on earth looking exactly like us. God looks like man, He made Adam not only in His spiritual Image, but also with His appearance and outward likeness.

Satan's abode is in hell (haides), a holding place in the heavenly dimension for the wicked dead. It's in Heaven, which is also what Rev.12:7-9 shows. That Rev.12 Scripture shows when the war in Heaven happens, his place in Heaven is no more. There's only one other place to go per God's Word, and that's here in our dimension on earth. He doesn't need a flesh body to appear here on earth in our dimension. Neither did God's angels who appeared to Abraham, and throughout God's Word. The lie that he would need a flesh body to appear on earth is just another tom-foolery to get folks off track of understanding that Satan is coming to earth in the last days prior to our Lord Jesus' coming.

And do you think Satan is going to allow any flesh man to usurp his desired glory of being God, even in the last days?
 
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I believe the Antichrist will come out of the revived Roman empire. He won't be an American.


I also believe Christians will be raptured to heaven before the Antichrist is revealed.
The antichrist,the little horn,the man of sin,will come from the Roman Empire,for in Daniel chapter 7 it states that the Roman Empire did not have their dominion taken away until Jesus puts them down,in which they will come together at the end time,and the world will be split in to 10 sections,which is the 10 horns,and the man of sin will come from the 10 horns,which come from the Roman Empire.

Also in Daniel 9:26,it says the prince to come,will come from the people who overthrew Jerusalem,which is the Roman Empire.

But the saints will be in the tribulation,because the Bible says the saints will not be united with Christ,until there is a falling away,and the man of sin,the antichrist reveals himself to the world(2 Thessalonians 2:1-13)that he has harnessed the power of nature,and gained power,and has the solution for what is best for the world,and the power to make it happen.

This is because that as long as the world can repent of their sins,the saints will remain on earth.When they take the mark of the beast,then repentance is no longer available to them,and God will take His children.

But the Bible says the little horn wears out the saints,and makes war against the saints,and Matthew chapter 24 says after the tribulation,then the saints are resurrected.

Also I do not believe the antichrist will be a person interested in being president,because he is so arrogant that the position of president is beneath him.He will only be interested in being a great man of peace,bringing peace to the middle east to start the 7 years period.

To compete with people for any position,like president,would hinder his agenda as appearing like no other person,that does not compete for any position,for he is above all positions in the world,and there is only one man of sin,and nobody else.

This man will be so heady,so high minded,that it would be an insult to him to compete with other people for a position,because he believes he is above all those positions,any position in the world.

He is being trained in the occult for a position that there is no competition for that,but he is the only one in that position,and it is above all positions on earth,for he believes he will harness the power of nature,and gain power.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The antichrist would view it as an insult to him to compete with mere human beings for a position that is beneath the position that he is going for,and he is the only one in that position,and there is no competition for that position,which he will exalt himself above all people,and their positions.

The antichrist will begin his work when he brings peace to the middle east,solving what nobody else could solve,and from then on will gain a following,leading to the beast kingdom,where he claims to be God,by harnessing the power of nature,and there is nobody that can compete with him for that position.

Obama,and the presidents,and their positions,are a peon in the antichrist's eyes,although he likes that they deceive which helps him out.
 
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I guess you guys just don't understand the two dimensions per God's Word like I do.

In the Book of Job, Satan and his angels appeared before God's Throne in Heaven, with God asking him where he'd been. Satan said walking to and fro up and down in the earth. I know some believe he was bound at Christ's death on the cross, but he still not yet, not until Rev.20, because of Rev.12:7-9 which is still future.

Gen.18 & 19 gives us a huge picture of how angels are able to appear on this earth with the image of man, eat man's food, i.e., live upon this earth. It's all the Hollywood imagery and horror writers that have confused many away from understanding how angels can be on earth in our dimension and we may not even know they are angels (Heb.13:2).

Portraying of angels in western art culture and film, and because of mention of wings in God's Word, has led many to believe they appear on earth like that, when God's Word shows they can appear on earth looking exactly like us. God looks like man, He made Adam not only in His spiritual Image, but also with His appearance and outward likeness.

Satan's abode is in hell (haides), a holding place in the heavenly dimension for the wicked dead. It's in Heaven, which is also what Rev.12:7-9 shows. That Rev.12 Scripture shows when the war in Heaven happens, his place in Heaven is no more. There's only one other place to go per God's Word, and that's here in our dimension on earth. He doesn't need a flesh body to appear here on earth in our dimension. Neither did God's angels who appeared to Abraham, and throughout God's Word. The lie that he would need a flesh body to appear on earth is just another tom-foolery to get folks off track of understanding that Satan is coming to earth in the last days prior to our Lord Jesus' coming.

And do you think Satan is going to allow any flesh man to usurp his desired glory of being God, even in the last days?
But he's not a man.

Because your heart*is*lifted up,
And you say, ‘I*am*a god,
I sit*in*the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,’
Yet you*are*a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god

It will be a satanic trinity:

The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the*lake of fire*and brimstone where the*beast*and the false prophet are
 

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But he's not a man.

Because your heart*is*lifted up,
And you say, ‘I*am*a god,
I sit*in*the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,’
Yet you*are*a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god

It will be a satanic trinity:

The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the*lake of fire*and brimstone where the*beast*and the false prophet are
How did you miss that verse in Isaiah 14 where God called him a 'man'? If you rightly understand Ezek.28 when God said He made him the full pattern, that's referring to Satan being a beautiful cherub.

Concerning the casting into the "lake of fire" at the end of Rev.19, I've tried to help others here understand that, to not much avail.

Rev 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

I understand that's what you're calling the 'satanic trinity'. But who is it that is to actually do the great signs, wonders, and miracles per Rev.13:11 forward? It's the beast king, called the "another beast", a 2nd beast of Rev.13. It even tells us he will rain fire down from heaven in the sight of men. That means doing supernatural wonders right here on earth in the sight of men that see it.

There's 2 different 'beasts' per our Lord's Revelation. One is a kingdom beast, and the other is a beast king. One must be very keen between the two when studying Rev.17, because both are being implied in different verses.

Rev 17:3
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
KJV

Which 'beast' is that, the kingdom beast or the beast king? It's the kingdom beast, because of that seven heads (mountains) and ten horns (ten kings that also then rule).

This next beast reference in Rev.17 has a very quick change of subject between the 2 different beasts.

Rev 17:7-9
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
KJV

The beast in verse 7 & 9 is the same kingdom beast, because of the seven heads and ten horns.

But the beast of verse 8 is different; it's the beast king, and is a direct reference to the devil, the one who shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, for back in Rev.9:11 we were told the locusts have a 'king' over them which is the angel of the bottomless pit. Only Satan and his angels so far have already been judged and sentenced to perish. No flesh man has yet, not even Judas Iscariot, so that "go into perdition" is another direct pointer to Satan.

Rev 17:10-13
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

There's been 6 beast kings so far by our Lord's counting thru John, with the 7th one not yet come in John's day (nor ours yet). When that 7th beast king does come, he must continue a short space, which is in reference to Bible prophecy about the very end with the coming pseudo-Christ of Matt.24:23-26, the "little horn" and "vile person" of Dan.7 & 9:27 & 11, the "man of sin" and "that Wicked" per 2 Thess.2, the "another Jesus" per 2 Cor.11, and the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

That beast king just pointed to in v.10 is also the eighth, and is OF the seven. What does that mean? If one understands about this 7th beast king that's still to come in our days, and we know per the Book of Daniel his beast kingdom will be destroyed at our Lord Jesus' coming, that would mean this 7th one (Antichrist) would be the last one, right? Not really, because what is to happen at the end of our Lord Jesus' future "thousand years" reign? Why is Satan going to loosed one final time at the end of that future "thousand years"?

There's Satan's role as the "eighth" beast king, set for the end of Christ's Millennium when he is loosed from his pit prison to go deceive the nations one final time (Rev.20). This is why Satan is "of" the seven beast kings, and but is also the eighth final one.

With the first 6 beast kings of history which were flesh men, Satan was over them, but this is revealing something different, because the 7th one will be Satan by reason of that ascending out of the bottomless pit reference in verse 8. That's what that phrase in v.11 with, "even he is the eighth" is revealing, because Greek kai ("even") can have a cumulative meaning, like 'he also is.'


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
KJV

Which 'beast' is that above in v.11-13? It's the beast king, which is separate from the ten kings that will reign with him when he comes. Dan.7 shows this also. That's a total of 11 kings that will reign in the end, the beast king who is over the other ten kings that reign with him making eleven.

Per Rev.19:20, the 'beast' and 'false prophet' go into the lake of fire, but not the "dragon". The first part of Rev.20 reveals why we know that "dragon" is not cast into the lake of fire then while directly pointing that "dragon" title to Satan himself. Since God has only judged and sentenced Satan and his angels to perish so far, it shows that 'beast' and 'false prophet' cannot mean literal flesh men. The "beast" in that verse is about the beast kingdom. It's destroyed at Christ's coming, but Satan is not. The "false prophet" is one of the roles Satan will play for the tribulation. It also goes into the lake of fire with the beast kingdom at Christ's coming.
 
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Heard that..... loud & clear. :rolleyes:
But what do you think? Do you see the relation in God's Word between how angels appeared on earth with how Satan can appear on earth?
 

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I am troubled that you find this interesting, Which indicates you actually think this is a possibility.
 

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I am troubled that you find this interesting, Which indicates you actually think this is a possibility.
You are free to think whatever you want, which is what can get you a free membership in man's secular philosophy club. But what I revealed is straight out of God's Word, wherein there is a difference from men's philosophical ramblings. I actually believe... what our Lord Jesus showed John about Satan and his angels being cast down to this earth at the end per Rev.12:7-17.