Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven.

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FreeNChrist

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"My observation of Christendom is that most of us tend to base our relationship with God on our performance instead of on His grace. If we’ve performed well—whatever “well” is in our opinion—then we expect God to bless us. If we haven’t done so well, our expectations are reduced accordingly. In this sense, we live by works, rather than by grace. We are saved by grace, but we are living by the “sweat” of our own performance. Moreover, we are always challenging ourselves and one another to “try harder.” We seem to believe success in the Christian life (however we define success) is basically up to us: our commitment, our discipline, and our zeal, with some help from God along the way. We give lip service to the attitude of the Apostle Paul, “But by the grace of God I am what I am (1 Cor. 15:10), but our unspoken motto is, “God helps those who help themselves.”

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Jesus said that He never knew them ,because He never knew them, they had been following a false spirit and believing that spirit to be the Holy Spirit. I am thinking of two particular women of the past who had huge Christian ministries, I studied their lives very carefully and it really does appear that they were following a deceiving spirit and not the Holy Spirit of God.
I am very interested in who these 2 women are.
 
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Inconvenient truth:

You will be hated by all because of my name,
but whoever endures to the end will be saved.
- Matthew 10:22
Yes, this refers specifically to enduring through Christian persecution
... not just during the up-coming great tribulation of the antichrist,
but for the past 2000 years.

This verse has companions elsewhere in the Gospels,
and is confirmed by approx. 10 other NT verses which (try to) teach us:
ONLY those who endure in their faith until the end of their lives will inherit eternal life.

This, of course, is just another proof that OSAS is a horrendous lie from the very pits of hell.

But, of course, we all know ...
"Satan is the god/ruler of this world/age" (John 12:31, 2 Cor 4:4).
And he is the greatest liar and deceiver in the whole history of the world.
So, don't be deceived by his false doctrines!

P.S. Not all church leaders have been deceived about some very critical issues;
many have just chosen to consider people's tithes to be more important than teaching spiritual Truth.
 
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The key word is NEVER in Matt 7:23, Jesus says to those who have done great ministries in His name, I NEVER knew you. Jesus here is describing people who are following a false spirit and believing it to the Holy Spirit. We have quite a lot of this today, specially in the Pentecostal movement, people who are following a false Jesus, proclaiming a false gospel, and following a false spirit. Jesus said that He never knew them ,because He never knew them, they had been following a false spirit and believing that spirit to be the Holy Spirit. I am thinking of two particular women of the past who had huge Christian ministries, I studied their lives very carefully and it really does appear that they were following a deceiving spirit and not the Holy Spirit of God.
HOW DARE YOU sit on the seat of judgement, denouncing an entire denomination, when the only witness you know are the few popular televangelists that mar the name "christian" every time their show airs? Who gave you the authority to make such a judgement?

HAVE YOU SEEN the little churches where the poor & elderly "tarry" at the altars, burdened for souls?

HAVE YOU PERSONALLY VISITED these churches, & witnessed their worship before you condemned them?

Are these things actually happening? Perhaps. BUT ALL OF THEM?

Like Saul in the book of Acts, you seem to need to be knocked off your high horse & be stricken blind so you can truly see. I hope you survive it when it happens.:rolleyes:
 
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HAVE YOU SEEN the little churches where the poor & elderly "tarry" at the altars, burdened for souls?
HAVE YOU PERSONALLY VISITED these churches, & witnessed their worship before you condemned them?
He does have every right to be very upset at ...
the incredibly false witness of many who covet riches above ALL else!

As for me ...
My wife and I attended a small charismatic church for 5 years where
the pastor and his wife had (combined) all 9 of the spiritual power gifts in 1 Cor 12.

So, we had the faith to see many being healed of lots of things.
Sorry, no one was raised from the dead (we never prayed for that!).
Our bad.
 

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What is the will of God for his children? First point His will to keep our self in sanctification and honour KJV 1Thessalonians4;3-4, 3.For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication;4.That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Second point KJV1Peter2;15-16,15.For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men;16.As a free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as servants of God.;Third point We're spread Good News of everlasting life to the World as His sons and daughters KJV John6;40, 40.And this is the will of him that send me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life; Thanks the Lord for opportunity to do his will in the World.
 

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HOW DARE YOU sit on the seat of judgement, denouncing an entire denomination, when the only witness you know are the few popular televangelists that mar the name "christian" every time their show airs? Who gave you the authority to make such a judgement?

HAVE YOU SEEN the little churches where the poor & elderly "tarry" at the altars, burdened for souls?

HAVE YOU PERSONALLY VISITED these churches, & witnessed their worship before you condemned them?

Are these things actually happening? Perhaps. BUT ALL OF THEM?

Like Saul in the book of Acts, you seem to need to be knocked off your high horse & be stricken blind so you can truly see. I hope you survive it when it happens.:rolleyes:
This kind of thing is so common these days it no longer surprises or upsets me. People who judge or denounce a denomination do so with the thought that it's against God when in fact it's against them. It's easy to hide behind the God card when it's really about us and it's easy to denounce what goes against your views and beliefs but the issue is we do so assuming we know peoples hearts.

The way I see it I don't care what denomination a person is in whether it's baptist pentecostal catholic lutheran or whatever I know them by their fruits. People make the mistake of looking at the denomination when God looks to the heart, you think we would have learned this by now
 

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Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

In context it is clear that Jesus is pronouncing judgment upon Israel as a nation.
Clear? In context? please explain how Jesus was clearly talking about Israel as a nation in this passage, when the entire Chapter is to Christians (IN CONTEXT) Saying these particular verses is talking about Israel as a nation, is altogether taking those verses OUT of context of the entire chapter to fit into a doctrine that you believe in. You see these verses have to be talking about Israel as a nation, so as to not feel like we have to apply it to ourselves in our daily lives. Woe to this generation who is blind to the Truth of Scriptures, changing Scriptures to fit their own doctrines.

Please explain how you come up with these verses are referring to Israel as a nation?

They were, like many today, very religious but very far from God. This is not about individual believers but a prophecy directed to the nation of Israel.
According to who? Who told you this was the case? What do you base that interpretation on?

Using this passage for a proof text requiring works to be saved is sloppy exegesis and creates doctrine that is in error.
Faith and Works is exactly what Scriptures teach. For me to list them, would be for me to write the entire New Testament here in a post.

Works Only = Those who think their good deeds, their good works will get them into Heaven
Faith Only = Those who think that believing in the Son of God is all that is required for one to have Eternal Life
Scriptures over and over and over again teach Faith and Works are required. And they even PLAINLY teach it.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is His commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (FAITH), AND 2) love one another (WORKS), as He gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Scriptures PLAINLY teach Faith and Works go hand in hand, over and over and over again, but this generation chooses to be blind, and do not see this Truth, because their eyes are clouded with false doctrines that they hold on to as TRUTH, even when Scriptures are contrary to what they believe is True. This generation better wake up from their sleeping, or they will indeed miss the bus. Keep on hitting snooze every time you come across a verse that contradicts what you believe to be the TRUTH, and you will miss the bus.

Jesus plainly taught us, that if we love Him, we will DO what He says, and what does he say? NO, what does He COMMAND us to do? LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe to this wicked and perverse generation that take thought they have Jesus yet do not do what He says, How will these be any different from those who say "Lord, Lord, have we not ________, and done ________ and attended _________, and did miracle IN YOUR NAME, and did MANY things through YOU?" and what will He say to them "I do not know you, those who practice sinning" Woe to this generation, for they believe false doctrines, and then God sends them servants to teach them that they are adhering to false doctrines, and they will not believe, nor turn from their false doctrines that they hold on to, claiming they see, but are blind as can be.

i tell you the TRUTH, but because what i teach has no place in you, because it does not line up with what YOU THINK is the TRUTH, you reject that teaching, which i plainly say comes from God, not because it contradicts any Scriptures, but contradicts the doctrines (beliefs) that you THINK is the TRUTH.

Search the Scriptures, show any verse that contradicts what i tell you comes from Him. But because He is not in you, you refuse to hear His Words, which i plainly tell you come from Him. You reject me, because you reject Him who told me these things, and He tells me, and EVERYONE. to go and LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe unto you if you feel like you don't need to. Woe to you that teach if you do have Works (Loving One Another) then you are working for Salvation. i will tell you the TRUTH. Those who have Jesus Christ living in them, that is to say, they have LOVE living inside of them, Will be full of good works, full of good fruits, they will have compassion on those in need, they will be generous, they will give the shirt of their backs to help others. Those who have Jesus living in them, will indeed be LOVING ONE ANOTHER. Woe to this generation indeed, for who does not claim that Jesus lives in them, and their fruits are not sinful?

Proof texting is always corrected by correct context.

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Reading something in context, is to read the context around said verses, read the entire Chapter. Those three verses that you say is a prophesy concerning the nation of Israel, could you kindly show anything in the entire chapter that address the nation of Israel? or are you taking those verses completely OUT of context by saying ONLY those three verses is a prophesy to the nation of Israel? All 29 verses are written to and for Christians. You saying those particular three verses are not to Christians, how is that not taking them out of context?

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Inconvenient truth:

You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved.
- Matthew 10:22
This Scriptures plainly teaches that he that endures to the end shall be Saved. Funny how some people in this generation think they don't have to endure anything at all, because they are already Saved. These know not the TRUTH, and refuse to hear it when it is in their ears.

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Originally Posted by nl


Inconvenient truth:

You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved.
- Matthew 10:22
that is in reference to those in great tribulation enduring and living up until the return of Christ, their physical lives will be saved.

It is NOT speaking of eternal salvation.
You say it means what you do, because you do not believe what it says. Can you explain away other verses which teach the same thing?

Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Yes, go to now, bring up your Bible and look it up, see if you can find a way to NOT believe what it says.

You say it is not speaking of Salvation, is it not written in the Word of God to have HOPE for Salvation?

1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Strange, this Inspired by God verse just said HOPE of Salvation. The writer of that verse must not have been Holy Spirit indwelled, because that writer didn't know that Salvation is automatic to those who believe Jesus is the Son of God, why then would this writer say put on the helmet of "the HOPE of Salvation" God forbid.

This generation does not know or understand, that it is ONLY when the Book of Life is opened that Everyone, (dead and living alike) are Judged whether they are Saved or not Saved.

Right now i am walking in the light, i am Saved, i know Jesus Christ is the Son of God, i know i am a sinner, i have repented of my sins, and He has forgiven me, and cleansed me, and He has made me white as snow. i am Saved. Does that mean i can't possibly deny Jesus Christ, ever? What? Because i am Saved now, that means my name CAN'T possibly be blotted out of the Book of Life? What? Because i am Saved right now, that means, i can Never deny Jesus Christ? What? Because right now i am Saved, i am Righteous, no matter how many unrighteous things i do?
Even though right now, my name is written in the Book of Life, does not mean my name will still be there when it is opened on Judgement Day. What if God allows satan to do to me, what happened to Job. Would i still remain in Him, would i deny Him then? i like to thing that i would not deny Him, but a person really don't know until they are in that situation. This is why it is written He that endures to the end shall be Saved, This is why we are to put on the helmet "The HOPE of Salvation". But no, not this generation, who is walking around with the helmet of "The HOPE of Salvation"? People in this generation they will tell you they are wearing the "Helmet of Salvation" Which is no where to be found in Scriptures. it is a false helmet, a helmet that gives license for them to do whatever they want to do, and still be Saved, as long as they are wearing the "Helmet of Salvation" they do not have to HOPE for it, they HAVE it already, and as long as they wear that helmet, they can do not wrong, they can never lose their Salvation, and as long as they wear that Helmet of Salvation, they don't need to do Anything at all, they do not need to have any works, especially to Love One Another, why would they do that, when they don't have to, because they are wearing the "Helmet of Salvation" and have altogether forsaken the Helmet the Scriptures speak of and that is the helmet of "The HOPE of Salvation" which is altogether a different HOLY helmet, which they will not put on, because they like the "Helmet of Salvation" much better, and it is easy to wear. Woe to this generation indeed, for who believes the Scriptures and what they plainly teach?

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