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TomH

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The Catholic church in the south of the US is allowing voodoo into the church, there. They say that if they didn't, many would not accept Christ as they also believe in what voodoo says, so by doing this they save many who otherwise would not have Christ as their savior.



Any proof of this? You just throw that out there. If what you say is true, then it is not a Catholic Church
My ex is originally from Haiti. She was raised a Catholic and taught to avoid folks there who practice voodoo. From what I've seen, the voodoo practiced there is a hybrid of African and Catholic religious practices. There's a large Haitian community here in south Florida. That may be what that's about. It seems like the church throughout history adopted various traditions to include pagans in its flock. Things like praying to dead folks (saints), Christmas, Easter, and even the Trinity, and the common misconception of hell all include elements of pagan religions.
 
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The Catholic church in the south of the US is allowing voodoo into the church, there. They say that if they didn't, many would not accept Christ as they also believe in what voodoo says, so by doing this they save many who otherwise would not have Christ as their savior.



Any proof of this? You just throw that out there. If what you say is true, then it is not a Catholic Church
You are right! If I make an accusation I better be absolutely sure it is correct. My information comes from an ex nun who I have learned to respect. We often share an afternoon of tea and I have never heard any gossip from her even about the people we know. She still works in her church every day. I haven't checked with the church, itself. I have run it by a member of my church who responded that everyone knows that. So I felt safe in reporting it, but now I wonder. The information that it is in the African Christian church is well documented. You say "then it is not a Catholic church". From my information, they are trying to do the best they can for the kingdom of God as they see it, why would that make them not Catholic? I think it is wrong, but they don't. I think changing Passover to Easter is wrong, too, but most people don't. It is still the church.
 

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The missionary who works in Africa came to our church. He said that the people have voodoo so deep in their culture that it often is in the church, there. He told of one woman who came to them, saying she was ill because of a voodoo spell. He had worked there enough years that he promised to help her. He and his helper worked with her for hours. It was like fighting demons. And she was well, after that. He says that this terrible cult has power.

The Catholic church in the south of the US is allowing voodoo into the church, there. They say that if they didn't, many would not accept Christ as they also believe in what voodoo says, so by doing this they save many who otherwise would not have Christ as their savior.

I looked up articles about it on the net. There are stores that sell supplies for voodoo, there are priests, but it isn't an organized church, really. It is part of other churches. One article made a chilling statement. They said that it is no different from the pagan practices that our very early church made as part of the Christian religion.

Look at our history! James, brother of Christ, was head of our church based in Jerusalem. He was killed in 62. Then Rome destroyed the temple along with thousands of Jews in 72. Our church head went to ex pagans, to the gentiles. More and more there was a separation from OT thinking, until Constantine. Our church was a loose mishmash of ideas until he unified them with the Nicene Council, mostly a wonderful happening. But there were things decided there that James, brother of Jesus, would have objected to and I think we should, too.

Christ meant us to know God the Father well, but to grow in maturity through Him. From Genesis to Revelation, we are to keep to the one true God, never letting other Gods creep in at all in any way. I think we should watch our church with a scrub brush in hand.
I have a friend from Brazil. She says that in Brazil, people are Catholics by day, and voodoo by night. I believe her. I do not think this wave of heresy can be attributed to Protestants, though.

This is an offshoot of the charismatic movement, with people who only have a shallow knowledge of the Bible. I do not think the form of worship matters, but the content must be Biblical and I am not seeing that.

I played with a worship band a few weeks ago for our Mayor's Prayer Breakfast. We had an incident with a drunk person wandering in during our practice session. The worship leader (who was an amazing musician) started off on this incredibly unbiblical rebuke and spent 1/2 hour teaching and never used one verse of scripture. That was Victory Life, which is a Canadian offshoot of this wild and worrisome movement.

I won't play with them again, although the music was more or less Biblical. I really was so uneasy about the way he handled the drunk. I think he could have just escorted him out, or perhaps shown him God's love. But rebuking and taking authority over his demons (and he may well have had them!) didn't do anything for the situation except waste time!
 
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TomH

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What would Jesus and the disciples think of this? It gave me a really uneasy feeling.

[video=youtube_share;_rwzbcMXpSQ]http://youtu.be/_rwzbcMXpSQ[/video]
When I left the Catholic Church seeking the truth elsewhere, I got into pharmakeia, Eastern philosophies, and eventually some pretty lively Charismatic church services. These days I think all that stuff is bogus.


"God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth." (John 4:24)
 
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You are right! If I make an accusation I better be absolutely sure it is correct. My information comes from an ex nun who I have learned to respect. We often share an afternoon of tea and I have never heard any gossip from her even about the people we know. She still works in her church every day. I haven't checked with the church, itself. I have run it by a member of my church who responded that everyone knows that. So I felt safe in reporting it, but now I wonder. The information that it is in the African Christian church is well documented. You say "then it is not a Catholic church". From my information, they are trying to do the best they can for the kingdom of God as they see it, why would that make them not Catholic? I think it is wrong, but they don't. I think changing Passover to Easter is wrong, too, but most people don't. It is still the church.
Thank you sister for clarifying that! I have been Catholic my whole life and have been in intense study of the Church in recent years and I know doctrine does not call for any VooDoo. Most of the service is the same as it has been for hundreds of years. I Love our Lord and I love the Church also. And once again thank you
 
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TomH

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Very revealing video! Thanks for posting!
"For such are false apostles, fraudulent workers, being transfigured into apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light." (2 Corinthians 11:13,14)
 
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Sick and demonic.

Ugh, that video is disgusting.
 
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jinx

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I'm oneness apostolic/pentecostal and we are called "holy-rollers" and I couldn't finish watching the first minute of this video. Something isn't right about that "ministry"
 

zone

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I have a friend from Brazil. She says that in Brazil, people are Catholics by day, and voodoo by night. I believe her. I do not think this wave of heresy can be attributed to Protestants, though.
The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is a movement within the Catholic Church. While the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church makes no distinction between churches, some charismatic parishes may practice "worship outside of Mass," including prayer meetings featuring alleged prophecy, faith healing and glossolalia. Proponents of the charismatic experience put forth the belief that certain charismata (a Greek word for gifts), bestowed by the Holy Spirit, such as the abilities to pray in tongues and to heal (which Christians generally believe existed in the early Church as described in the Bible) should still be practiced today.

Catholic Charismatic Renewal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

oh look.....the RC is doing it too.
is this an ecumenical move of' the Spirit'?
 

zone

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Look at our history! James, brother of Christ, was head of our church based in Jerusalem. .
who killed James?

Then Rome destroyed the temple along with thousands of Jews in 72. Our church head went to ex pagans, to the gentiles.
you don't get that God planned the Kingdom go to the gentiles?

More and more there was a separation from OT thinking, until Constantine. Our church was a loose mishmash of ideas until he unified them with the Nicene Council, mostly a wonderful happening. But there were things decided there that James, brother of Jesus, would have objected to and I think we should, too.
like what?

Christ meant us to know God the Father well, but to grow in maturity through Him. From Genesis to Revelation, we are to keep to the one true God, never letting other Gods creep in at all in any way. I think we should watch our church with a scrub brush in hand.
and Judaize it you mean?
 
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WOW false teachers shall abound in the last days. SHEEP ARE TRULLY STUPID!!!!!!
How could anyone fall for this nonsensen Elijah would of said slay them LOL. Do any of you think they would have acted this way on the temple mount. RUN FROM THIS STUFF!!
UMM I think the problem is they want all that stuff and not God.
 
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TomH

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The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is a movement within the Catholic Church. While the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church makes no distinction between churches, some charismatic parishes may practice "worship outside of Mass," including prayer meetings featuring alleged prophecy, faith healing and glossolalia. Proponents of the charismatic experience put forth the belief that certain charismata (a Greek word for gifts), bestowed by the Holy Spirit, such as the abilities to pray in tongues and to heal (which Christians generally believe existed in the early Church as described in the Bible) should still be practiced today.

Catholic Charismatic Renewal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

oh look.....the RC is doing it too.
is this an ecumenical move of' the Spirit'?
I heard they were into it too. I have no use for either. I tried them both, and they're not for me. I'm satisfied just reading my scripture everyday.
 
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jinx

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I heard they were into it too. I have no use for either. I tried them both, and they're not for me. I'm satisfied just reading my scripture everyday.
We should never just be satisfied in our walk with GOD, we should always strive to walk further, although it is hard.
 

zone

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I heard they were into it too. I have no use for either. I tried them both, and they're not for me. I'm satisfied just reading my scripture everyday.
well, the ironic part is, you'll have some evangelicals bashing Rome...and yet doing the identical charismatic stuff.

wouldn't it mean the Holy Spirit has accepted RC, then? as He did by showing the miraculous signs for the gentiles?:rolleyes:
 
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HollyLoree

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i posted this video here years ago.
people defended it then.
just like they do now.

though some will say - it's just an "abuse" of the gifts.
Not many are defending it. I don't think....
 
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TomH

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We should never just be satisfied in our walk with GOD, we should always strive to walk further, although it is hard.
I'm still walking, sister. I just don't need any other doctrine than the word of God.
 
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Ilovecoffee

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Not many are defending it. I don't think....
I am sorry to say that some are: :(

I got involved in a new church plant not too long ago. Everything seemed to be ok, as at the time there were no disqualifying factors and no red flags . I was asked to be involved in leadership, and went to all the meetings. One of these meetings, the Pastor put on music and everyone was getting into the spirit ( which spirits I dont know).There was laughter and similar shenanigans,and I did more research on Che Ahn ( harvest international ) who this pastor was/is closely involved with. I left the church, but not without giving the studies to the Pastor. He defended it as stating it was a "renewal" and did some tap dancing around the issue. He immediately removed the Harvest International symbol from the website.I believe this pastor and others are fully aware of what they are doing and are indeed wolves among the sheep.