Ok to be lesbian?

[homwardbound]

And yeah, anyone running around sleeping with wives husbands can stay home on Sunday too.

Being in Christ Sister you have everything need for life and Godliness, what is there to be afraid of and by Faith the enemy can't harm us. And I am not talking of one trying to get it right that is where fear comes from and stagnates believers all around us. You know you have been there and seen the faithless that claim faith and when the rubber hits the road they went running. And i am not saying to stand in arrogance, boastfulness or pride, I am saying stand in humility, God's grace being sufficient enough for you You think? Love you deep as God does that flesh can't fathom only the Spirit of God reveals this

 

[john832]

You would be right John, that is not my beef with timeline, we were discussing unsaved Homosexuals in the world, not church discipline or even immorality in the church and he brings up 1 Cor 5.1-13 to stand on his belief in telling Homosexuals they are sinners headed for hell. He is out of context and wrong.

I understand Paul and church discipline and by debate with timeline and others is that the church teachings of Paul have been perverted and mis-applied by certain denominations to include the unsaved in the world and that is squarely wrong.

The Epistles of Paul were written to the church for the church and pertaining to the church, not as clubs to beat sinners over the head with.

timeline and other Christians beat homosexuals over the head using an Epistle, it is evident, that they do not even know how to apply. Paul was talking about homosexuality in the church, not unsaved homosexuals.

I have no issue with church discipline or Paul, but we must adhere to proper context or we end up in a ditch of confusion and several on this thread are in the ditch thinking it is Biblical to run up to anyone in the world, especially homosexuals and tell them they are sinners. And they do it because of misapplied teaching of Epistles that speak to the church and not the world.

My mistake and my apologies. One sees a lot of this "can't we all just get along" and the accepting of false doctrine and foul practices in the name of love and unity. Sometimes I over react. Again, my apologies.

 

[The_highwayman]

My mistake and my apologies. One sees a lot of this "can't we all just get along" and the accepting of false doctrine and foul practices in the name of love and unity. Sometimes I over react. Again, my apologies.

No apology needed friend.

 

[Timeline]

You would be right John, that is not my beef with timeline, we were discussing unsaved Homosexuals in the world, not church discipline or even immorality in the church and he brings up 1 Cor 5.1-13 to stand on his belief in telling Homosexuals they are sinners headed for hell. He is out of context and wrong.

I understand Paul and church discipline and by debate with timeline and others is that the church teachings of Paul have been perverted and mis-applied by certain denominations to include the unsaved in the world and that is squarely wrong.

The Epistles of Paul were written to the church for the church and pertaining to the church, not as clubs to beat sinners over the head with.

timeline and other Christians beat homosexuals over the head using an Epistle, it is evident, that they do not even know how to apply. Paul was talking about homosexuality in the church, not unsaved homosexuals.

I have no issue with church discipline or Paul, but we must adhere to proper context or we end up in a ditch of confusion and several on this thread are in the ditch thinking it is Biblical to run up to anyone in the world, especially homosexuals and tell them they are sinners. And they do it because of misapplied teaching of Epistles that speak to the church and not the world.

Are you paying attention to my posts on this thread? Respond lovingly sounds like "beat" to you.

 

[The_highwayman]

Are you paying attention to my posts on this thread? Respond lovingly sounds like "beat" to you.

I have never witnessed anyone that tells a homosexual their lifestyle is an abomination, come across in perfect love to that homosexual. Once again, the sin of homosexuality is no greater than your sin of disbelief, until you found Jesus.

When "christians" can minister to people without regard to the unsaved persons condition, is when compassion is activated and God begins working. Nothing happened with Jesus until he moved in compassion, this is why churches today see no power of God anymore.

Your theology seeks to make you an agent of sanctification on behalf of the lost and unsaved. Thats not your job and it is clearly taught in the Bible it is not your job.

Stop standing on passages that have zero to do with the lost and unsaved.

 

[Timeline]

I have never witnessed anyone that tells a homosexual their lifestyle is an abomination, come across in perfect love to that homosexual. Once again, the sin of homosexuality is no greater than your sin of disbelief, until you found Jesus.

When "christians" can minister to people without regard to the unsaved persons condition, is when compassion is activated and God begins working. Nothing happened with Jesus until he moved in compassion, this is why churches today see no power of God anymore.

Your theology seeks to make you an agent of sanctification on behalf of the lost and unsaved. Thats not your job and it is clearly taught in the Bible it is not your job.

Stop standing on passages that have zero to do with the lost and unsaved.

If you went into a hospital would you want them to say you a good the way that you are and there is no reason for change.

 

[The_highwayman]

If you went into a hospital would you want them to say you a good the way that you are and there is no reason for change.

If you were unsaved and had secret sins of watching porn and drinking booze, that your spouse knew nothing about, and I knew about, would it be better to tell you that you were on your way to a devils hell or show you the love of Jesus and talk about your unbelief and how Jesus can make your life better and talk about it without even mentioning your secret sins?

The spiritual babe seeks to clean up people, before getting them saved. The mature son or daughter of God can look past the condition, because the greater issue at hand is salvation not the specific sin or sins keeping them in bondage.

Stop attempting to clean people up, before you to take them to the shower...

 

[Timeline]

If you were unsaved and had secret sins of watching porn and drinking booze, that your spouse knew nothing about, and I knew about, would it be better to tell you that you were on your way to a devils hell or show you the love of Jesus and talk about your unbelief and how Jesus can make your life better and talk about it without even mentioning your secret sins?

The spiritual babe seeks to clean up people, before getting them saved. The mature son or daughter of God can look past the condition, because the greater issue at hand is salvation not the specific sin or sins keeping them in bondage.

Stop attempting to clean people up, before you to take them to the shower...

It would be better to talk to me about it (but not attack me). At least make sure I know that I am committing a sin that is on God's hate list. And yes God says He hates sexual immorality. I am not trying to mean, but God does make it very clear.

 

[The_highwayman]

It would be better to talk to me about it (but not attack me). At least make sure I know that I am committing a sin that is on God's hate list. And yes God says He hates sexual immorality. I am not trying to mean, but God does make it very clear.

I never said God did not hate sexual immorality, I never said God does not make it clear, I know he detests sexual immorality,

So answer me this, which is greater sin in God's eyes:
ANY sin of sexual immorality or the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ?

 

[Timeline]

I never said God did not hate sexual immorality, I never said God does not make it clear, I know he detests sexual immorality,

So answer me this, which is greater sin in God's eyes:
ANY sin of sexual immorality or the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ?

Not sure what you want here. Because I at one time I was not saved does not mean that I should be silent about sexual immorality. Yes, I was and am a sinner. I am only saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. Not sure if you are being sincere or just want to argue. As I have said many times, Approach people in love. It is through grace that all men (and women) are saved. If I were to sum up the bible in one word it would be Love.

 

[Timeline]

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, [SUP]5 [/SUP]does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, [SUP]6 [/SUP]does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP]bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part; [SUP]10 [/SUP]but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

 

[tucksma]

Thank you for your stance:

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

if you are led to do what you say then go for it, but if you are not then this work of self will burn up at judgment

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Tell your brother, Sister as to how you belief yes definitely, and then trust God to do God's work through you the same as the Disciples who waited for God from the Spirit of on high and preached through them, get it, love you


no one comes to belief truly but by God truly, there is no more self works to be done after the cross of Christ, none

ohn 3

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: [SUP]2 [/SUP]the same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



This can't be forced as many do this force. Love as you are loved, maybe if being mean to them is not your view, yet it is theirs, then maybe tell them I do this because I love you as God does.

Now I remember my Mother saying this to me as Dad was whipping me with the belt, and I looked at my Mother and said if this is love I want nothing to do with it.

She then started talking with me, and I never got the belt again, for God used her to teach me truth over error from that day forward and I did not listen, and later did. God is amazingly awesome to all, and I see your conviction on this issue, but please be careful how deep it goes into condemning others even though you have the greatest of intentions

Yes belief and correct action cannot be forced. You aren't forcing someone when you tell them to leave, you are giving them a big reason to change. We are told to judge right and wrong, but not then take the rights and wrong and state what type of person that is. If a man in your church is doing wrong to the point of it corrupting his salvation (like the entire list of Galatians 5: 19-21) then it is best to talk to them once individually. Then in a group. Then cast them out. This shows them they must change. It IS loving because you are trying to lead them to salvation.

 

[paulsfam4]

2 Peter 2:13-14 (ESV)13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, [5] while they feast with you. 14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children!
GOD WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR MISLEADING HIS CHILDREN.

 

[The_highwayman]

Yes belief and correct action cannot be forced. You aren't forcing someone when you tell them to leave, you are giving them a big reason to change. We are told to judge right and wrong, but not then take the rights and wrong and state what type of person that is. If a man in your church is doing wrong to the point of it corrupting his salvation (like the entire list of Galatians 5: 19-21) then it is best to talk to them once individually. Then in a group. Then cast them out. This shows them they must change. It IS loving because you are trying to lead them to salvation.

Why would you apply church discipline on the unsaved? According to your theology you are asking an unsaved/lost person to leave the church because they won't change and because you are "lovingly" trying to lead them to salvation?

You are completely in error on this.

 

[homwardbound]

Homewardbound you are missing something. You keep saying Love is the key right? Well you are showing love to someone when you kick them out of your church in hopes they see the error in their ways. Letting them continue in a comfortable life, with sins that are stated specifically to NOT inherit the kingdom of God (like homosexuality) is a terrible thing. You are not making them want to change at all, and therefore they won't, and therefore they won't inherit the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:6

The wounds you put on someone by kicking them out, by putting them through pain, IS love. It's focusing on their salvation, not how warm and fuzzy they feel on the inside. Which is more important? Salvation, or how good one feels? I would say salvation.

I only seek to be led by Father, in the power of Father and niot ever of self, if this is what you are to o, by all means do it. It is only done by God's power and is why the disciples had to wait for God to empower them and lead them by the same holy Ghost that led Christ
Just is how "i" see it me denying me daily at the cross, being co-crucified there daily in oprder to see the new life of Love to all people, and it is by the kindness of God that "I" quit trying to be a goody two-shoes with that attitude of look at me and what I am doing, seeing the word literally rather than Spiritually
For it is not the word in the Bible that sets one free, rather the truth in that word written and is only revealed by God, as one gigantic LOVE letter to all, but man has put his two cents in and squashed this love to many other people when those others do not fit in their basket of eggs
food for thought, just God just love you or all including the prostitute, the Homosexual and all sinners?
Has God forgiven you, do you deserve to be forgiven? So who are you oh man to condemn, when God chose through Son to not condemn you or the whole world through Son.
Go ahead kick me out please, I do not want a part of your version of love in your own self-righteous flesh senore.
Yet love you regardless, but please see what you might be doing is self-righteousness and using the word to justify self, condemning others when you should be condemned just like me, I deserve to be condemned and asked for Mercy.
Now that I got this I give this above all else
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Was Rahab the Harlot justified?

 

[homwardbound]

Yes belief and correct action cannot be forced. You aren't forcing someone when you tell them to leave, you are giving them a big reason to change. We are told to judge right and wrong, but not then take the rights and wrong and state what type of person that is. If a man in your church is doing wrong to the point of it corrupting his salvation (like the entire list of Galatians 5: 19-21) then it is best to talk to them once individually. Then in a group. Then cast them out. This shows them they must change. It IS loving because you are trying to lead them to salvation.

Yeah, the reason to change is to fit into your group of believers, and not for God personally, I am appalled in Spirit and truth. Father is our savior through Christ alone, and each person God deals with personally as their teacher, why would I want to believe to a bunch of self-righteous biggots, that think they are right and everyone else is wrong if they do not fit into their basket of eggs

[h=3]Luke 6:32[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]32 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

 

[homwardbound]

He's not interested in the Gospel of Jesus Christ so much as the gospel of HomewardBound.

Thank you ageofknowledge you are right and no one else is; unless you are agreed with, so do you only love those that love you?

 

[homwardbound]

I have never witnessed anyone that tells a homosexual their lifestyle is an abomination, come across in perfect love to that homosexual. Once again, the sin of homosexuality is no greater than your sin of disbelief, until you found Jesus.

When "christians" can minister to people without regard to the unsaved persons condition, is when compassion is activated and God begins working. Nothing happened with Jesus until he moved in compassion, this is why churches today see no power of God anymore.

Your theology seeks to make you an agent of sanctification on behalf of the lost and unsaved. Thats not your job and it is clearly taught in the Bible it is not your job.

Stop standing on passages that have zero to do with the lost and unsaved.

Yes agreed as is said to the person regardless of what they have done or even do
I asked a person once this:
I said did you know that God was in Christ reconciling the whole world unto himself, not counting any of your sins against you, in response to this how much more do yuo think you will be saved by his resurrected life in Spirit

It turned out that this kid was in rebellion was a PK kid (preachers kid) ans he looked at me and that he was a PK kid, ajnd had never heard this truth before.

And afterwards I watched this kid change to love from Father through Christ is response that God has forgiven him through Son and walk away from that life-style he was caught up in that was doing him no benefit in the long run

It is by God's love not this world's masquerading love, that one changes in Love to all

 

[homwardbound]

If you went into a hospital would you want them to say you a good the way that you are and there is no reason for change.

Could be no reason for change, could be for that time being. Is there not a reason for everything we can learn from good or bad?

 

[homwardbound]

It would be better to talk to me about it (but not attack me). At least make sure I know that I am committing a sin that is on God's hate list. And yes God says He hates sexual immorality. I am not trying to mean, but God does make it very clear.

So do we become a tyrant since God decided not to be one through Mercy?