Old Earth or Young Earth?

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jamesg1951

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NarrowRoadDisciple said:
There is no wrath coming to the world? That contradicts clear and defined scripture.
God desires that every man be saved, but not all will choose to accept Him and His sacrifice for us.
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It is a matter of perspective. Of course there is wrath coming upon the world, but it is not borne of punishment for evil, it is borne of consequences of actions. When a mother tells her son "do not play on the road" and the son disobeys her and is subsequently run over by a truck, it is not because the mother saw her son disobeying her and called a trucking company to come run over her son as punishment for disobeying her.

This is how some sick minds view our loving heavenly father. They are actually picturing God as a Satanic evil hateful entity.

We are the creators of our own destiny. If our destiny is one that ends in pain and suffering, it is not because God is using it as punishment for disobedience, but it is in spite of the fact that God did everything He could to try and convince us to not do the things that would result in our pain and suffering, including sending his own son to suffer and die for us and then return to offer us the spirit and power to just do the right thing. My constant prayer is that all of us will accept the Spirit of Truth and Righteousness and as a result create our destiny by loving our fellow mankind.
Finally... God be merciful to me a sinner, because as I type this reply I think of the words of Paul..
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst.
 
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jamesg1951

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Tintin said:
There's so much misinformation in this post of yours, I don't know where to start.
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Hahahah. Just start with the first word.I do not claim what I say is fact. These words are based on my feelings and observations. How many people are killed in he name of God. Even in the World Wars, the men shooting those guns mostly claimed to be Christians ?!?!?!!? CHRISTIANS !!!! Brothers in Christ. You may not classify those wars as "religious wars" but if you do not see the hypocrisy of murdering your brother in Christ while knowing Jesus taught LOVE your ENEMIES! Do good to those who despitefully use you. Then everything I say you will just classify as "misinformation" Have a nice day.
 
Dan_473

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jamesg1951 said:
It is a matter of perspective. Of course there is wrath coming upon the world, but it is not borne of punishment for evil, it is borne of consequences of actions. When a mother tells her son "do not play on the road" and the son disobeys her and is subsequently run over by a truck, it is not because the mother saw her son disobeying her and called a trucking company to come run over her son as punishment for disobeying her.

This is how some sick minds view our loving heavenly father. They are actually picturing God as a Satanic evil hateful entity.

We are the creators of our own destiny. If our destiny is one that ends in pain and suffering, it is not because God is using it as punishment for disobedience, but it is in spite of the fact that God did everything He could to try and convince us to not do the things that would result in our pain and suffering, including sending his own son to suffer and die for us and then return to offer us the spirit and power to just do the right thing. My constant prayer is that all of us will accept the Spirit of Truth and Righteousness and as a result create our destiny by loving our fellow mankind.
Finally... God be merciful to me a sinner, because as I type this reply I think of the words of Paul..
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst.
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Hi!

Your profile says you are Unsure... but you sound sure about some things... parts of the Bible maybe?
 
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trofimus said:
Why not... I just dont see how layers upon layers of ancient life that has never existed is a beauty, for example :)
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How about this part?
Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.
 
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Dan_473 said:
How about this part?
Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.
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"He made everything appropriate in its time. He also placed eternity within them—yet, no person can fully comprehend what God is doing from beginning to end."

Nice verse, but I dont see how it is about our topic... nobody says we know everything. But that does not mean that science must be totally wrong about history.
 
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will knowing how old the earth is help us get closer to Him?
 
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These are all just my perception. Parts of the bible? I have my own perception of the bible, most of which is metaphorical and very little of it historical.
God to me is what is Absolutely True and Right and the Spirit of God represents that and not any mans perception of what is true or right. No man can know the mind of God.
Jesus is the Spirit of Truth and Righteousness which came to us in and as much as we can or are willing to comprehend it.
The "unsure" refers to the question of whether I am a christian. I believe in the teachings and Spirit of Christ Jesus. But I really do not want to be called a christian and be lumped in with racists and hate mongers that say anyone who does not believe what they do is going to hell. Jesus said many will call themselves christians and He will say to them, "depart from Me for I knew you not."
I hoe that helps answer your question.
 
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trofimus said:
"He made everything appropriate in its time. He also placed eternity within them—yet, no person can fully comprehend what God is doing from beginning to end."

Nice verse, but I dont see how it is about our topic... nobody says we know everything. But that does not mean that science must be totally wrong about history.
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What does it mean to have eternity in your heart?
 
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jamesg1951 said:
These are all just my perception. Parts of the bible? I have my own perception of the bible, most of which is metaphorical and very little of it historical.
God to me is what is Absolutely True and Right and the Spirit of God represents that and not any mans perception of what is true or right. No man can know the mind of God.
Jesus is the Spirit of Truth and Righteousness which came to us in and as much as we can or are willing to comprehend it.
The "unsure" refers to the question of whether I am a christian. I believe in the teachings and Spirit of Christ Jesus. But I really do not want to be called a christian and be lumped in with racists and hate mongers that say anyone who does not believe what they do is going to hell. Jesus said many will call themselves christians and He will say to them, "depart from Me for I knew you not."
I hoe that helps answer your question.
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1 Cor 2:16, "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
 
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Science can be totally wrong about history, because it studies only the physical aspects of te universe. If the universe does not exist as anything but the thought of an awareness .. dreamlike in its composition, just the flow of electrons.

was anyone really hungry thirsty sick or in prison? but if you believed they were and did nothing you are still guilty.

For me, even if life is but a dream, we are still subject to its laws.
 
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Dan_473 said:
How about this part?
Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.
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Ro 16:25, ......"and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, kept secret since the world began, v 26, But now is made manifest".....
 
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Dan_473 said:
What does it mean to have eternity in your heart?
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I dont know, how is it in Greek and Hebrew? It does not seem to make sense in English.

One of Czech translations has "the desire for eternity", which makes sense, but I dont know if it is right.
 
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jamesg1951 said:
These are all just my perception. Parts of the bible? I have my own perception of the bible, most of which is metaphorical and very little of it historical.
God to me is what is Absolutely True and Right and the Spirit of God represents that and not any mans perception of what is true or right. No man can know the mind of God.
Jesus is the Spirit of Truth and Righteousness which came to us in and as much as we can or are willing to comprehend it.
The "unsure" refers to the question of whether I am a christian. I believe in the teachings and Spirit of Christ Jesus. But I really do not want to be called a christian and be lumped in with racists and hate mongers that say anyone who does not believe what they do is going to hell. Jesus said many will call themselves christians and He will say to them, "depart from Me for I knew you not."
I hoe that helps answer your question.
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Yes, thanks for the answer
 
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jamesg1951 said:
These are all just my perception. Parts of the bible? I have my own perception of the bible, most of which is metaphorical and very little of it historical.
God to me is what is Absolutely True and Right and the Spirit of God represents that and not any mans perception of what is true or right. No man can know the mind of God.
Jesus is the Spirit of Truth and Righteousness which came to us in and as much as we can or are willing to comprehend it.
The "unsure" refers to the question of whether I am a christian. I believe in the teachings and Spirit of Christ Jesus. But I really do not want to be called a christian and be lumped in with racists and hate mongers that say anyone who does not believe what they do is going to hell. Jesus said many will call themselves christians and He will say to them, "depart from Me for I knew you not."
I hoe that helps answer your question.
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Jesus said, 'be afraid of Him Who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna' (Hell).
 
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abcdef said:
Ro 16:25, ......"and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, kept secret since the world began, v 26, But now is made manifest".....
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yes, it is possible to know mysteries

1 CORINTHIANS 13:2 I may have the gift to speak what God has revealed, and I may understand all mysteries and have all knowledge.
 
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Dan_473 said:
yes, it is possible to know mysteries

1 CORINTHIANS 13:2 I may have the gift to speak what God has revealed, and I may understand all mysteries and have all knowledge.
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I think its "If I had..."
 
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trofimus said:
I dont know, how is it in Greek and Hebrew? It does not seem to make sense in English.

One of Czech translations has "the desire for eternity", which makes sense, but I dont know if it is right.
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I think the Czech is fine... I think it means that humans have a sense of the infinite, that is, God and his ways.



we explore God's ways in the Bible and nature

the rock layers tell us about God's ways
(different people will see different things)

we can see the beauty and wisdom of God's ways in the rock layers
 
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Dan_473 said:
I think the Czech is fine... I think it means that humans have a sense of the infinite, that is, God and his ways.



we explore God's ways in the Bible and nature

the rock layers tell us about God's ways
(different people will see different things)

we can see the beauty and wisdom of God's ways in the rock layers
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Lk 19:40, "And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out."
 
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Yonah said:
will knowing how old the earth is help us get closer to Him?
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Yes it will because if you believe the earth is millions of years old you are buying into science as a religion.
 
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