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And yet Joseph stated..."As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive."[Genesis 50:20]
I don't have a different definition of love than you do, but I also don't believe God loves everybody. Romans 9 easily shows that. Deuteronomy 7 shows that as well.
If God loved everybody, and His love is an everlasting love as He told Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:3, and He is also immutable, then He loves even those who will reside in an eternal hell.
I want no part of that type of love.
I don't have a different definition of love than you do, but I also don't believe God loves everybody. Romans 9 easily shows that. Deuteronomy 7 shows that as well.
If God loved everybody, and His love is an everlasting love as He told Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:3, and He is also immutable, then He loves even those who will reside in an eternal hell.
I want no part of that type of love.
Deism teaches that God created everything, then sets back and watches everything without getting involved in ppl's lives.
You're teetering upon this. You're saying that in all the chaos, God sits back and watches things. In the good things, He is active in it. That's why I say you're teetering upon deism.
God is God over both good and bad. God works ALL things for good, not just the bad.
You're teetering upon this. You're saying that in all the chaos, God sits back and watches things. In the good things, He is active in it. That's why I say you're teetering upon deism.
God is God over both good and bad. God works ALL things for good, not just the bad.
The problem I am seeing is ppl are so stuck on God being a God of love, they do so to the detriment of all of His other attributes. Its like they divorce His love from all other attributes. God is not just love, but holy, just, righteous, wrath, vengeance, but all they focus on is love, love, love, LOVE!!!
The LGBTQ community believes that as well. Try saying God is love to them. I picture things going like this.
Jane goes to a local LGBTQ parade to witness to them. She sees a young lady by herself and she introduces herself to her.
"Hi, I am Jane. I noticed you were here at this parade, and I want to tell you God loves you."
"Hi. I am Judy. I know! Isn't He wonderful? He loves everybody. We are made in His likeness, and He loves us just the way we are."
"Sorry, but He does not love your lifestyle. He loves you, but not your sin."
"What do you mean? God is love, and He can not hate."
"Well, He does hate your sin. He loves you, but hates your sin."
"Look, God loves us the way we are. You are just being silly. That's just like you Christians. You always want to look down on those who are not just like you!"
"Sweetie, that is not what I am doing, but I am concerned for your soul. Those who don't repent of their sins, and die in that state, will go to an eternal hell."
"There you go with God loving me, but then casting me into hell! You are wrong. God is love, and He loves us just the way we are. I help my neighbors when they need help. I go to the homeless shelter twice a week and help to serve meals to the less fortunate. I have donated a bunch of clothes and money to them through the years. I have even driven some of them to hospitals when they need medical care. I help my neighbor, and that is what Jesus said we should do. He loves me just the way I am."
"Sorry dear, but that's not true."
"Look, I am through with you and this 'god' that will cast me into hell. That is not the God I know. I think its best you leave me alone, or I will call for the police."
Yes, God is love, yet because He is love, He also must hate. He hates those who commit iniquity. This 'God loves the sinner but hates the sin' looks good on bumpers, but its not sound teaching.
The LGBTQ community believes that as well. Try saying God is love to them. I picture things going like this.
Jane goes to a local LGBTQ parade to witness to them. She sees a young lady by herself and she introduces herself to her.
"Hi, I am Jane. I noticed you were here at this parade, and I want to tell you God loves you."
"Hi. I am Judy. I know! Isn't He wonderful? He loves everybody. We are made in His likeness, and He loves us just the way we are."
"Sorry, but He does not love your lifestyle. He loves you, but not your sin."
"What do you mean? God is love, and He can not hate."
"Well, He does hate your sin. He loves you, but hates your sin."
"Look, God loves us the way we are. You are just being silly. That's just like you Christians. You always want to look down on those who are not just like you!"
"Sweetie, that is not what I am doing, but I am concerned for your soul. Those who don't repent of their sins, and die in that state, will go to an eternal hell."
"There you go with God loving me, but then casting me into hell! You are wrong. God is love, and He loves us just the way we are. I help my neighbors when they need help. I go to the homeless shelter twice a week and help to serve meals to the less fortunate. I have donated a bunch of clothes and money to them through the years. I have even driven some of them to hospitals when they need medical care. I help my neighbor, and that is what Jesus said we should do. He loves me just the way I am."
"Sorry dear, but that's not true."
"Look, I am through with you and this 'god' that will cast me into hell. That is not the God I know. I think its best you leave me alone, or I will call for the police."
Yes, God is love, yet because He is love, He also must hate. He hates those who commit iniquity. This 'God loves the sinner but hates the sin' looks good on bumpers, but its not sound teaching.
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And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.[Romans 8:28]
Notice that Paul wrote 'God causes all things to work together for good'. It does not say that God uses just the good things, but all things, both good and bad.
For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,[Philippians 1:29]
Again, Paul is writing to believers that it has been granted for them to suffer for His sake. God is the God of good times, and also God of the bad times.
And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.[Romans 5:3-6]
In this passage, again Paul is writing to believers. God did not save us and put us in bubble wrap. He knew we'd be in the world, and in the world, some would be killed, some tortured, some maimed, some eaten, some beaten, &c. But every time a believer suffers for His sake, and they live, they grow in their faith. And if they die, He takes them home. Either way, He works even the bad things to their good.
But when the bad times roll, God is not just sitting there twiddling His thumbs.
Notice that Paul wrote 'God causes all things to work together for good'. It does not say that God uses just the good things, but all things, both good and bad.
For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,[Philippians 1:29]
Again, Paul is writing to believers that it has been granted for them to suffer for His sake. God is the God of good times, and also God of the bad times.
And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.[Romans 5:3-6]
In this passage, again Paul is writing to believers. God did not save us and put us in bubble wrap. He knew we'd be in the world, and in the world, some would be killed, some tortured, some maimed, some eaten, some beaten, &c. But every time a believer suffers for His sake, and they live, they grow in their faith. And if they die, He takes them home. Either way, He works even the bad things to their good.
But when the bad times roll, God is not just sitting there twiddling His thumbs.
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1 John 1:5 5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
James 1:17 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Psalm 92:15 To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have itmore abundantly.
What is deism? What do deists believe?
Question: "What is deism? What do deists believe?"
Answer: Deism is essentially the view that God exists, but that He is not directly involved in the world. Deism pictures God as the great “clockmaker” who created the clock, wound it up, and let it go. A deist believes that God exists and created the world, but does not interfere with His creation. Deists deny the Trinity, the inspiration of the Bible, the deity of Christ, miracles, and any supernatural act of redemption or salvation. Deism pictures God as uncaring and uninvolved. Thomas Jefferson was a famous deist, referring often in his writings to “Providence.”
Deism is most definitely not biblical. The Bible is filled with accounts of the miraculous. The Bible is, in fact, entirely an account of God interfering in His creation. Daniel 4:34b-35 records, “His dominion is an eternal dominion; His kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as He pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back His hand or say to Him: ‘What have you done?’” The world, history, and humanity are “clay” in the hands of God. God forms them and shapes them as He sees fit (Romans 9:19-21). The ultimate act of God “interfering” with His creation is when He took on human flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14; 10:30). Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, died to redeem His creation from the sin it had brought upon itself (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
It’s easy to understand how deism could be considered a “logical” position. There are some things in the world that seem to point to God being inactive in the affairs of the world. Why does God allow bad things to happen? Why does God allow the innocent to suffer? Why does God allow evil men to come to power? An inactive God would seem to answer these dilemmas. However, the Bible does not present God as inactive or uncaring. The Bible presents God as sovereign, although incomprehensible in His totality. It is impossible for us to fully understand God and His ways. Romans 11:33-34 reminds us, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been His counselor?" In Isaiah 55:9 God declares, “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Our failure in understanding God and His ways should not cause us to doubt His existence (atheism and agnosticism) or to question His involvement in the world (deism). God does exist and is very active in the world. Everything that takes place is subject to His sovereignty and authority. In fact, He orchestrates everything to bring about the divine sovereign plan. "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do" (Isaiah 46:10-11). Deism is most definitely not biblical. A deistic view of God is simply a failure in attempting to explain the unexplainable.
https://www.gotquestions.org/deism.html
That's why I said you're teetering upon Deism. If God just sits back, that's what Deists believe, too.
Question: "What is deism? What do deists believe?"
Answer: Deism is essentially the view that God exists, but that He is not directly involved in the world. Deism pictures God as the great “clockmaker” who created the clock, wound it up, and let it go. A deist believes that God exists and created the world, but does not interfere with His creation. Deists deny the Trinity, the inspiration of the Bible, the deity of Christ, miracles, and any supernatural act of redemption or salvation. Deism pictures God as uncaring and uninvolved. Thomas Jefferson was a famous deist, referring often in his writings to “Providence.”
Deism is most definitely not biblical. The Bible is filled with accounts of the miraculous. The Bible is, in fact, entirely an account of God interfering in His creation. Daniel 4:34b-35 records, “His dominion is an eternal dominion; His kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as He pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back His hand or say to Him: ‘What have you done?’” The world, history, and humanity are “clay” in the hands of God. God forms them and shapes them as He sees fit (Romans 9:19-21). The ultimate act of God “interfering” with His creation is when He took on human flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14; 10:30). Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, died to redeem His creation from the sin it had brought upon itself (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
It’s easy to understand how deism could be considered a “logical” position. There are some things in the world that seem to point to God being inactive in the affairs of the world. Why does God allow bad things to happen? Why does God allow the innocent to suffer? Why does God allow evil men to come to power? An inactive God would seem to answer these dilemmas. However, the Bible does not present God as inactive or uncaring. The Bible presents God as sovereign, although incomprehensible in His totality. It is impossible for us to fully understand God and His ways. Romans 11:33-34 reminds us, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been His counselor?" In Isaiah 55:9 God declares, “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Our failure in understanding God and His ways should not cause us to doubt His existence (atheism and agnosticism) or to question His involvement in the world (deism). God does exist and is very active in the world. Everything that takes place is subject to His sovereignty and authority. In fact, He orchestrates everything to bring about the divine sovereign plan. "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do" (Isaiah 46:10-11). Deism is most definitely not biblical. A deistic view of God is simply a failure in attempting to explain the unexplainable.
https://www.gotquestions.org/deism.html
That's why I said you're teetering upon Deism. If God just sits back, that's what Deists believe, too.
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