Once saved, is sin ok?

djness · Oct 23, 2014

I really just fail to grasp how the people who are against OSAS think that everyone who believes it must sin with abandon. I never heard it preached anywhere that you can get away with that, no person I know who believes in OSAS will say you can just sin and get away with it yet it is constantly the position of the Anti-OSAS.

MY thoughts on the subjects are just that. I never hear anyone say sin is ok with OSAS yet these things keep rearing their ugly head.
Where does it come from? You got me.

Elin · Oct 23, 2014

Angela53510 said:

The Bible teaches that man is a slave to sin (Jn 8:34; Gal 3:22; Ro 11:32),

that it is only those whom the Son makes free that are free
(Jn 8:36; cf Jn 8:32; Ro 6:18, 22, 8:12; Gal 5:1).

djness · Oct 23, 2014

The more and more I see these arguments the less and less I feel like I am able to say to someone ''Oh yes this is the inerrant infallible word of God.''

If it is then why so much of the having to know the Greek or whatever language a particular letter was written in. Wouldn't the author have known how to make it completely understandable to people who didn't speak the original languages and know the idioms of a people two thousand and more years ago?

Or is this all we really need?

[h=1]1 Corinthians 2:2King James Version (KJV)[/h]2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Skinski7 · Oct 23, 2014

thecreationtutor said:

It is easy to throw around buzz phrases isn't it?

Just name it and claim it and then plug the ears to the truth, or I should say, suppress your thought process and rest in a comfortable delusion.

Your first claim..

Eternal Salvation - God's Grace

What does the Bible say? Well...

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

So this grace of God that brings salvation appears to all men teaching us to do the right thing. This grace teaches us to abstain from evil. That is the grace that brings salvation.

Can this grace be received in vain or to no working effect? Yes indeed it can.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

So we are to be "workers together with God" otherwise we receive the grace of God to no working effect. If we don't work together with God then we are never made the righteousness of God in Him.

Modern theology ignores that passage. They see "being made the righteousness of God in Him" as name it and claim it where they have to do nothing, its the bedrock of their legal exchange cloak for ongoing sin, 2Cor 5:21 being the chief abused proof text for that lie. Yet right there in 2Cor 6:1 is the clear context that being made the righteousness of God IN Him comes through cooperating with God. In other words we are to yield to God and through the dynamic of yielding to what grace teaches we are made righteous, the righteousness that manifests from abiding in Jesus Christ. That is EXACTLY what Jesus taught in John 15.

Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

There is no room for rebellion in that and thus if one believes in the inability doctrine of Original Sin one must reject this very clear Bible teaching.

Instead of teaching what the Bible teaches it is easier to cry out...

Eternal Salvation - God's Grace

Paul wrote...
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The righteousness of the law fulfilled in us when we walk after the Spirit and there is no condemnation for such people. The law couldn't fulfill this righteousness in us, rather Jesus fulfilled this righteousness as a human being and it is through abiding in the same Spirit of life in Jesus that we fulfill it to. Wow, it is the same thing as 2Cor 5:21 - 6:1.

There is no room for rebellion in that. There is room for rebellion in the inability "I trust in Jesus but keep sinning and if I could do otherwise I would be saving myself and be self righteous" message. Let's not be so foolish to believe such nonsense.

Eternal Assurance - God's Promise

Another buzz phrase. Well it is true that we have eternal assurance IF we abide in His will. It's conditional. Noah had assurance so long as he remained in the ark. He could have CHOSEN to jump into the flood waters and he would have perished. We are not to tempt God, especially with sin. yet people tempt God everyday with the excuse of "I can't help it because it is all God and nothing of me, I am not responsible." Satan loves that notion because people who buy into it rationalise their ongoing sin as being permissible.

Eternal Security - God's Power

Another buzz phrase to shout from the hilltops whilst declaring how one is not responsible for their sin. Again we are secure if we abide in Him, not if we forsake Him.

What did Paul teach about eternal life? Well he wrote this...

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Patient continuance in doing well. That simply means patiently continuing to DO THE RIGHT THING by faith. There is no room for rebellion in that. If one is choosing to do evil then they are not patiently continuing to do well.

It is those who do not obey the truth, who hold the truth in contempt, who instead yield themselves to doing evil who will be found wanting and perish. Don't be one of them.

We have a choice and because we have a choice God is just in condemning the sinners who CHOSE evil over good.

Skinski7 · Oct 23, 2014

Elin said:

Yet your doctrine denies such freedom anyway.

Jesus said in Joh 8:34...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Yet Elin, you believe that Christians keep on sinning. Isn't that right? I mean correct me if I am wrong with a direct answer instead of your usual indirectness.

ie. don't do the usual

Skinski7 · Oct 23, 2014

djness said:

Let me ask you a very plain and straight forward question.

Does a child molester have to stop molesting children BEFORE God will forgive them?

Your answer to the question will reveal volumes.

notuptome · Oct 23, 2014

Skinski7 said:

Doesn't all sin merit the same condemnation?

Which sin does God tolerate and which sin does God condemn?

Is repentance a turning from sin or only specific sins? Is repentance a physical act or a change in the heart?

Stands to reason that one cannot arrive at the correct conclusion if one does not ask the correct questions.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Skinski7 · Oct 23, 2014

The whole OSAS vs non-OSAS is a fallacy because both sides generally contend for a false understanding of salvation.

Both sides teach salvation as an ABSTRACT POSITION instead of a MANIFEST STATE.

The Bible teaches that we are saved from the BONDAGE OF SIN whereby we don't serve it anymore. In other words the conscious yielding (ie. choosing to sin) ceases once and for all. We have a transformed heart whereby we yield to righteousness instead of sin. Anyone who yields themselves to sin has gone back to bondage.

If a man whom is in jail is set free from that jail and therefore leaves the prison he can be said to be free from prison. Yet if that man returns to the prison and locks himself in the cell again he cannot claim to be "saved from prison," no he is a prisoner again.

It is the same with salvation. Salvation is a state of where we have been set free from the service of sin. That is why the Bible states...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Yet the false Christian's cannot discuss those verses directly because they teach the opposite of what they believe.

In verse 16 Paul makes it very clear that whom you obey designates who you belong to. Thus one cannot be a child of God and obey sin, it is not possible. We are slaves to whom we obey. An individual who obeys sin is a slave of sin and it is that slavery which Jesus sets people free from.

So to claim OSAS upon someone who is obeying sin is absolute nonsense. It just proves the person has no idea what salvation is.

Peter wrote this...

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Christian's have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. You'll never ever hear one of the false professing Christian's quote that verse. They cannot because it contradicts their "sin you will and sin you must" message.

Here Peter is recognising the fact that Christian's have escaped from this...

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

The Christian does this instead...

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

It is so very clear. Temptation is common to man but we are to take the way of escape. We do that via abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ where the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us, in other words we abide in Christ instead of yielding to sin. We cannot abide in sin and in Christ, they are mutually exclusive.

The Gnostic Christian's teach the opposite. They teach that the flesh is sinful and that the spirit is saved as an abstraction, thus they can manifestly sin in the flesh whilst not corrupting their spirit which is abstractly in Christ. It is all a mind game where they ignore the reality right in front of them. The reality of...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

These folks want to deceive people. They want to deceive people into believing that he that does evil is cloaked in the righteousness of Jesus. That is what they want people to believe. Don't buy it.

Word_Swordsman · Oct 23, 2014

Keep it simple. Sin is not OK with God, and usually is objected to by most people. Why? Sin demands forgiveness over and over. Stop sinning! We don't need a 10 volume set of commentary to say that. Can't stop it? Let Jesus heal your innermost being, taking up residence there by the Holy Spirit. He helps those willing to repent and get right with God, accepting His forgiveness on His terms. He will not help anyone using "grace" to justify a sin lifestyle.

Skinski7 · Oct 23, 2014

notuptome said:

Well what did Jesus say to Pilate?

Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Jesus also said...

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

What say you to that?

How about this...

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Two kinds of sin there. One leads to death and the other one does not. We see in Rom 6:16 that is is disobedience unto unrighteousness which is sin unto death...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness. Those are opposites. One is rebellion and leads to death, one is obedience and it leads to life.

notuptome said:

Well what is the condemnation?

It is this...

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The condemnation is the willful rejection of righteousness in favour of evil.

notuptome said:

Repentance is simply the change of mind about sin, righteousness and judgement wrought via godly sorrow where one comes into total agreement with God and therefore hates sin and loves righteousness. It necessitates changed behaviour as Paul taught...

Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

If there is no corresponding change of behaviour then there was no real change of mind. Godly sorrow produces this...

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Godly sorrow produces a clearing of wrongdoing, not a continuing of wrongdoing.

What happened in Nineveh when they repented?

Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
Jon 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

It is very simple. In Nineveh they did this...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

They did not claim inability, or confess their sinfulness and keep on sinning, no, they turned from their wickedness by stopping it. Clear as day right there in the Bible.

God's call to men...

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Yet is that what you believe? No it isn't is it?

You instead believe that you can engage in known evil and remain forgiven and that is the lie of Satan, a very old lie in fact, a lie from the very beginning.

"Ye shall surely not die."

Word_Swordsman · Oct 23, 2014

notuptome said:

There is a required "outward" repentance, not just an "inward" one., a mere mental ascent that a person has separated from God through unrepented sin. It is impossible to repent on mental grounds alone. The body of flesh is involved if you are alive. So is the spirit of man involved, above ground, not in the grave.

Lots of folks who claim to have satisfied God have not yet submitted to the baptism of repentance that even Jesus submitted to. Fulfill all righteousness. Make an open show of repentance of YOUR sins, then go and sin no more. If you keep sinning, you are serving Satan, not God. Period.

Which sin are we repenting of? All sin. It is time to stop sinning! Do not serve sin, categorizing sins such that "sin light" doesn't require active physical repentance. Why reserve "sin regular" for physical action as well as spiritual? All little sins add up to a trend to sin bigger, because our "flesh" keeps moving the line. Where do you cross the line? I say don't scratch an imaginary line in the sand telling God "I wouldn't go past that." If you do that you will soon find yourself across that man-made line.

Angela53510 · Oct 23, 2014

So Skinski, Branfreeze and Cassian, I think your posts are lacking the only thing I asked for.

Give me the book, chapter and verse that talks about "free will."

And no, not a robot, but I would rather be God's robot in a pinch, than have to rely on my own arrogance and pride of my own will to act in a way pleasing to God.

Let's look at the Greek in Romans 12:2.

"καὶ μὴ συσχηματίζεσθε τῷ αἰῶνι τούτῳ, ἀλλὰ μεταμορφοῦσθε τῇ ἀνακαινώσει τοῦ [SUP][c][/SUP]νοός, εἰς τὸ δοκιμάζειν ὑμᾶς τί τὸ θέλημα τοῦ θεοῦ, τὸ ἀγαθὸν καὶ εὐάρεστον καὶ τέλειον." Romans 12:2

The key word is μεταμορφοῦσθε or metamorpousthe. In English, "be transformed."

It is a very important word, and is also found in 2 Cor. 3:18.

The aspect and tense are vital to this entire passage. It is the Passive Imperative. That means God commands us to do it, but it is God (through the Holy Spirit) who is doing it to us. Basically, we are commanded to let God do the work of continuing salvation, or sanctification. A difficult passage to understand without a good grasp of grammar, I know, and you can certainly look it up somewhere if you don't believe me!

"For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified." Romans 8:29-30

So God foreknew, predestines, calls, justifies and glorifies. Not seeing anything about free will here! And Romans, unlike the early church fathers, who may have studied under Paul (or not!) and gone their own way, Romans is the definitive systematic and inspired theology written through Paul by the Holy Spirit.

notuptome · Oct 23, 2014

Word_Swordsman said:

There is a required "outward" repentance, not just an "inward" one., a mere mental ascent that a person has separated from God through unrepented sin. It is impossible to repent on mental grounds alone. The body of flesh is involved if you are alive. So is the spirit of man involved, above ground, not in the grave.

Lots of folks who claim to have satisfied God have not yet submitted to the baptism of repentance that even Jesus submitted to. Fulfill all righteousness. Make an open show of repentance of YOUR sins, then go and sin no more. If you keep sinning, you are serving Satan, not God. Period.

Which sin are we repenting of? All sin. It is time to stop sinning! Do not serve sin, categorizing sins such that "sin light" doesn't require active physical repentance. Why reserve "sin regular" for physical action as well as spiritual? All little sins add up to a trend to sin bigger, because our "flesh" keeps moving the line. Where do you cross the line? I say don't scratch an imaginary line in the sand telling God "I wouldn't go past that." If you do that you will soon find yourself across that man-made line.

Well I expect that if one has come to Christ and reconciled oneself to Christ then there will be a visible change as a result. The outside cannot change the inside. God works in the hearts.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Elin · Oct 23, 2014

Skinski7 said:

That's what I said.

Yes, I believe that to say that a Christian does not sin is to make God a liar, per 1Jn 1:8-10.

Brainfreeze · Oct 23, 2014

Angela, I've showed a few, not only in OP, but in the scripture y'all used to defend yourselves, go back over post 68, 70.., every time you'll post this stuff the real truth speaks, that we have a choice, and everyone gets this gift, if God wanted to watch robots, He wouldn't have made this battle ground (earth) why would God tell us to "put on the Armor of God" shoes of peace, and breastplate of righteousness ? Why would we need these things, if it weren't a fight for the choice of man?

thecreationtutor · Oct 23, 2014

Skinski7 said:

It is easy to throw around buzz phrases isn't it?

Just name it and claim it and then plug the ears to the truth, or I should say, suppress your thought process and rest in a comfortable delusion.

Your first claim..

Eternal Salvation - God's Grace

What does the Bible say? Well...

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

So this grace of God that brings salvation appears to all men teaching us to do the right thing. This grace teaches us to abstain from evil. That is the grace that brings salvation.

Can this grace be received in vain or to no working effect? Yes indeed it can.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

So we are to be "workers together with God" otherwise we receive the grace of God to no working effect. If we don't work together with God then we are never made the righteousness of God in Him.

Modern theology ignores that passage. They see "being made the righteousness of God in Him" as name it and claim it where they have to do nothing, its the bedrock of their legal exchange cloak for ongoing sin, 2Cor 5:21 being the chief abused proof text for that lie. Yet right there in 2Cor 6:1 is the clear context that being made the righteousness of God IN Him comes through cooperating with God. In other words we are to yield to God and through the dynamic of yielding to what grace teaches we are made righteous, the righteousness that manifests from abiding in Jesus Christ. That is EXACTLY what Jesus taught in John 15.

Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

There is no room for rebellion in that and thus if one believes in the inability doctrine of Original Sin one must reject this very clear Bible teaching.

Instead of teaching what the Bible teaches it is easier to cry out...

Eternal Salvation - God's Grace

Paul wrote...
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The righteousness of the law fulfilled in us when we walk after the Spirit and there is no condemnation for such people. The law couldn't fulfill this righteousness in us, rather Jesus fulfilled this righteousness as a human being and it is through abiding in the same Spirit of life in Jesus that we fulfill it to. Wow, it is the same thing as 2Cor 5:21 - 6:1.

There is no room for rebellion in that. There is room for rebellion in the inability "I trust in Jesus but keep sinning and if I could do otherwise I would be saving myself and be self righteous" message. Let's not be so foolish to believe such nonsense.

Eternal Assurance - God's Promise

Another buzz phrase. Well it is true that we have eternal assurance IF we abide in His will. It's conditional. Noah had assurance so long as he remained in the ark. He could have CHOSEN to jump into the flood waters and he would have perished. We are not to tempt God, especially with sin. yet people tempt God everyday with the excuse of "I can't help it because it is all God and nothing of me, I am not responsible." Satan loves that notion because people who buy into it rationalise their ongoing sin as being permissible.

Eternal Security - God's Power

Another buzz phrase to shout from the hilltops whilst declaring how one is not responsible for their sin. Again we are secure if we abide in Him, not if we forsake Him.

What did Paul teach about eternal life? Well he wrote this...

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Patient continuance in doing well. That simply means patiently continuing to DO THE RIGHT THING by faith. There is no room for rebellion in that. If one is choosing to do evil then they are not patiently continuing to do well.

It is those who do not obey the truth, who hold the truth in contempt, who instead yield themselves to doing evil who will be found wanting and perish. Don't be one of them.

We have a choice and because we have a choice God is just in condemning the sinners who CHOSE evil over good.

it's easy to wrap you mind up so tight you have no confidence is God, you have no rest in Jesus Christ, you think about sin all the time because you falling into it - simple belief on His promises - Buzzwords --------------- does it do you well to be angry at sinners like yourself

psychomom · Oct 23, 2014

is sin okay with God?

'course not!

yes i am sad to see another thread in which the focus is on the life of the redeemed.

the Bible is about the Life of the Redeemer. ♥

psychomom · Oct 23, 2014

just have to add....where are your eyes?

when our eyes are on ourselves and how we are doing (life by Law), we will fail more.

when our eyes are on Jesus and what He has done (life by Gospel)...that's where we will find victory.

Brainfreeze · Oct 23, 2014

psychomom said:

It is all to glorify God psychomom, everything I do, with choice is to glorify Him, and His grace of saving me. I have a choice, I still know of people living sinful lives, I could be hanging out with pro athletes and being what the world calls (a big timer) or a (baller) I choose not to, for the glory of God, it just so happens to be righteous and be good for my life. It's a choice, people respect my choice, God gets the glory for my choices, it's not mine, but who lives in me to give the strength to do what my heart desires, to reject sin when confronted with it, I can go drink codeine or do drugs right now, " it's a firm choice I've made to turn against it, because He who gave me the power to do so". Are you'll saying this is impossible? I choose not to gamble hard earned money, I choose not to lay up in clubs and get drunk, I choose not to be partner to sin, these are all choices. I don't see how anyone from the west especially say they don't have choices, I just chose to post this message, none of this is predestined.

Kerry · Oct 23, 2014

Depends on what doctrine you were raised under. Most Baptist it's okay to sin same with Methodist, Presbyterian hey they have Homo ministers, Catholic don't care as long as you pay money for your sins. Churches don't preach sin cause it hurt's the bottom line. I meant, word of faith say's don't mention it cause that's a bad confession.

The bible tends to show different than these popular doctrines. Oh, there is a doctrine that you are perfect and incapable of committing sin. Man that's awesome I wish I was brought up under that one.

The truth is the closer you get to God the more you find out just how sinful you are and thank God for the cross, that judges our sin past, present and future. When we sin we will suffer the consequences but if we ask forgiveness and repent it will not be held against us at the Judgement again, Thank God for the Cross. It always goes back to the Cross.

Once saved, is sin ok?

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