One place the Holy Spirit can't go? Really?

[danschance]

Dan the TWO does not mix. Either the Holy Spirit is in the person or demons, NEVER BOTH. Why do you not understand what God says? It is the other way around.... The Holy Spirit ONLY moves into CLEANSED people. If He moves into a body where the evil spirits are, they will leave so quickly that the flesh might even explode! What is so difficult for you to understand?

Here is the answer to the question... Can a HOLY SPIRIT FILLED PERSON BE DEMON POSESSED? NEVER! Got is DAN? Please my friend it is no so difficult. If God claims ANYTHING for HIMSELF, Satan has NO jurisdiction, posession claim or entrant to what belongs to God. If God made me HIS CHILD, Satan CANNOT ENTER!

You have the wrong way around. The Holy Spirit does not want to be in the ame house as evil. It is why God calls it purification/sanctification... The Holy Spirit cleans a house before he moves in... Remember the order.... Called, sanctified/justified and then glorified... the Holy Spirit only moves in with the glorification.


Do not turn it around... The Holy Spirit and Satan CANNOT be in one body, NEVER! God first get rid of the evil, then HE fills it with Good.

And once the GOOD is in EVIL CANNOT ENTER... NEVER! God is the victorer in EVERY meeting with Satan... NEVER the other way around.

Cobus, how are the following verses possible if God will not be in the presence of evil?

1One day the members of the heavenly court[SUP]a[/SUP] came again to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan,[SUP]b[/SUP] came with them. 2“Where have you come from?” the LORD asked Satan. Job 1:6-7, & 2:1-2

NOTE: satan and God are together.

Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory Matt 4:8

NOTE: Satan took Jesus to a mountain, so they were together, right?

'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

NOTE: This verse mentions "anyone". So I assume this also means Jesus will "come into" person who is indwelt by a demon, right?

 

[PoxEclipse]

Maybe, Maybe, Sometimes

Will the Spirit dwell and flourish within a prideful person?

"...and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time..."

Proverbs 11:2
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

Proverbs 15:33
Wisdom's instruction is to fear the LORD, and humility comes before honor.

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

Proverbs 29:23
Pride brings a person low, but the lowly in spirit gain honor.

 

[Drett]

If this is true then it means the Holy Spirit is not omnipresent.

Jesus in his prayer told us God is in heaven. I am not sure where this omnipresent come from.

 

[starfield]

There is a difference between being in God's presence and belonging to Him. Twice in the Book of Job, we see satan entering into God's presence as he mixes himself among the angels. God and satan even dialog. Yet Christians claim God can not tolerate the presence of satan. So if a person who is indwelt by a demon prays the sinners prayer with all sincerity of heart, mind and soul, God will enter him/her because that person now belongs to him, right?

What you've written here is different and better than what you wrote earlier, that God is in demons. For what purpose would God reside in demons? None because He is light and they are in darkness, and He is opposed to evil.

So if Jesus enters a demon indwelt person, will the demons flee? Is this a way of casting demons out, by simply asking Jesus in?

Instead of confronting and casting out demons we should share the gospel. We are shielded from the wicked one by exercising total trust in Christ and putting on the whole armour of God...
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 

[danschance]

Jesus in his prayer told us God is in heaven. I am not sure where this omnipresent come from.

It came from:

Psalm 139:7-12

New Living Translation (NLT)

7 I can never escape from your Spirit!
I can never get away from your presence!
8 If I go up to heaven, you are there;
if I go down to the grave, you are there.
9 If I ride the wings of the morning,
if I dwell by the farthest oceans,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
and your strength will support me.
11 I could ask the darkness to hide me
and the light around me to become night—
12 but even in darkness I cannot hide from you.
To you the night shines as bright as day.
Darkness and light are the same to you.

 

[danschance]

What you've written here is different and better than what you wrote earlier, that God is in demons. For what purpose would God reside in demons? None because He is light and they are in darkness, and He is opposed to evil.

A person earlier had said that the Holy Spirit is not in demons and I was countering that claim. If the Holy Spirit is omnipresent, as most Christians believe, then he must also be in demons. Omnipresence means present everywhere all the time. Being in a demon or an unbeliever or in the deepest part of space is not the same as it is with Christians. In Christians the Holy Spirit makes our bodies the temple of the Holy Spirit. Think about that! It implies the Holy Spirit dwells in us from His seat of power, glory and is worshiped there. The unbeliever does not have this type of relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Instead of confronting and casting out demons we should share the gospel. We are shielded from the wicked one by exercising total trust in Christ and putting on the whole armour of God...

Yes we should share the gospel, but God has called different people to do different things. Some are called to pastors, but not all. Some are called to be evangelists but not all. The body of Christ is made of many members who do many different tasks. Do what ever God puts before and do it to the best of your abilities.

 

[starfield]

A person earlier had said that the Holy Spirit is not in demons and I was countering that claim. If the Holy Spirit is omnipresent, as most Christians believe, then he must also be in demons. Omnipresence means present everywhere all the time. Being in a demon or an unbeliever or in the deepest part of space is not the same as it is with Christians. In Christians the Holy Spirit makes our bodies the temple of the Holy Spirit. Think about that! It implies the Holy Spirit dwells in us from His seat of power, glory and is worshiped there. The unbeliever does not have this type of relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Let me get this straight, are you saying that the Holy Spirit indwells demons?
What passages can you provide to back this claim?

 

[danschance]

Let me get this straight, are you saying that the Holy Spirit indwells demons?
What passages can you provide to back this claim?

The Holy Spirit is everywhere. If He not inside a demon then He is not everywhere, right? That is the definition of omnipresent-Present everywhere at all time. If you say the Holy Spirit is not in demons, unbelievers or whatever, then you are claiming God can't do some things or can't be somewhere. God can be anywhere and do anything at any time. The only problem is people want to put their own limitations on God to fit their expectations.

As I mentioned before Believers are indwelt but the Holy Spirit in a special intimate way. That is not to imply that the Holy Spirit can not enter where He wishes. We all know he can influence non-believers to come to Jesus, so clearly He can enter them. The awareness of the Holy Spirit fills everything because He is everywhere.

 

[doseofreality]

Ahh another God Paradox ... easy answer is to say God is everywhere but not active everywhere.
For example, If one is not saved then the Holy spirit is not active in regenerating in that person but is still there.
Though that might contradict some verses in New Testament, Im sure someone will let me know.

Then it also begs the question, Is Holy spirit anywhere? and how can you know? Then you could test whether Holy spirit was somewhere or not somewhere, just something to think about...

 

[danschance]

Ahh another God Paradox ... easy answer is to say God is everywhere but not active everywhere.
For example, If one is not saved then the Holy spirit is not active in regenerating in that person but is still there.
Though that might contradict some verses in New Testament, Im sure someone will let me know.

Then it also begs the question, Is Holy spirit anywhere? and how can you know? Then you could test whether Holy spirit was somewhere or not somewhere, just something to think about...

I like how you think!

 

[Spokenpassage]

Ahh another God Paradox ... easy answer is to say God is everywhere but not active everywhere.
For example, If one is not saved then the Holy spirit is not active in regenerating in that person but is still there.
Though that might contradict some verses in New Testament, Im sure someone will let me know.

Then it also begs the question, Is Holy spirit anywhere? and how can you know? Then you could test whether Holy spirit was somewhere or not somewhere, just something to think about...

This is an interesting idea. If you don't mind, I'm going to compare my idea with yours parallel.

God appearance everywhere, but his activity isn't.

God's activity is everywhere, but his appearance isn't.

What can we benefit from both of these ideas, and what can we not benefit from these ideas each?

 

[starfield]

The Holy Spirit is everywhere. If He not inside a demon then He is not everywhere, right? That is the definition of omnipresent-Present everywhere at all time. If you say the Holy Spirit is not in demons, unbelievers or whatever, then you are claiming God can't do some things or can't be somewhere. God can be anywhere and do anything at any time. The only problem is people want to put their own limitations on God to fit their expectations.

As I mentioned before Believers are indwelt but the Holy Spirit in a special intimate way. That is not to imply that the Holy Spirit can not enter where He wishes. We all know he can influence non-believers to come to Jesus, so clearly He can enter them. The awareness of the Holy Spirit fills everything because He is everywhere.

God is everywhere in that His eyes are everywhere beholding both good and evil, but His indwelling is selective. The scripture is clear that His Spirit only indwells those who belong to Him (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Galatians 4:6) thus they are capable of loving Him and being in communion with Him. Not everyone is His temple. Why would a holy God dwell in the heart of an unclean demonic spirit? What communion has light with darkness?

then you are claiming God can't do some things or can't be somewhere.

But God possesses free will that is in accordance with His righteousness. He can do whatever He pleases and His indwelling is selective - those who have received the adoption as sons.

 

[danschance]

God is everywhere in that His eyes are everywhere beholding both good and evil, but His indwelling is selective. The scripture is clear that His Spirit only indwells those who belong to Him (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Galatians 4:6) thus they are capable of loving Him and being in communion with Him. Not everyone is His temple. Why would a holy God dwell in the heart of an unclean demonic spirit? What communion has light with darkness?

But God possesses free will that is in accordance with His righteousness. He can do whatever He pleases and His indwelling is selective - those who have received the adoption as sons.

Read Spokenpassage's post above. I think he is saying it better than I am. We can't view God thru the a anthropomorphic lens. He is more than we can perceive, sense or comprehend. It is always wrong to limit where God can or can not be and what God can do. Jesus said "with God all things are possible".