Only Believe (and stop the negative)

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zone

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Believing is seeing.
strike 1.....

Romans 8:24
For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has?

2 Corinthians 4:18
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:7
We live by faith, not by sight.
 
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zone

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Our faith is actual substance in the spiritual realm Hebrews 11:1.
strike 2....

New International Version (©1984)
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
 

zone

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Positive Confession/PMA*

Prosperity Gospel & The New Age


- The fastest growing segment of professing Christianity in recent years has been among churches connected with the Positive Confession movement or Word-Faith movement (all part of the modern Charismatic movement). It has involved two distinct but closely related factions: the Norman Vincent Peale/Robert Schuller Positive-Possibility thinkers/Positive Mental Attitude, with their roots in New Thought; and the Kenneth Hagin/Kenneth Copeland Positive Confession and Word-Faith groups, which have their roots in E.W. Kenyon, William Branham, and the Manifest Sons of God/Latter Rain movement. Well-known names among its leaders are E.W. Kenyon, Charles Capps, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Frederick K.C. Price, Robert Tilton, and David [Paul] Yonggi Cho. It does not yet constitute a new denomination, but it certainly represents innovative teachings outside of mainstream Christianity. The situation is so serious now because of the dominance over the so-called Christian media achieved by the teachers of Positive/Possibility Thinking and Positive Confession.....

...This is at the heart of the Positive Confession movement today, also known as the "name-it-and-claim-it" gospel. The Positive Confession movement is nothing but a charismatic form of Christian Science. This can be substantiated by simply comparing the similarities in their common beliefs. Positive Confession is basically warmed-over New Thought dressed in evangelical/charismatic language. Positive Confession's basic beliefs can be summarized as follows:

1. Faith is a force that both God and man can use: "Faith is a force just like electricity or gravity" (Copeland), and it is the substance out of which God creates whatever is (Capps). God uses faith, and so may we in exactly the same way in order to produce the same results through obedience to the same "laws of faith" (Capps) that God applied in creation. "You have the same ability [as God has] dwelling or residing on the inside of you" (Capps). "We have all the capabilities of God. We have His faith" (Copeland)...."

etc.

Positive Confession / PMA - Prosperity Gospel & The New Age << click
 
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strike 1.....

Romans 8:24
For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has?

2 Corinthians 4:18
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:7
We live by faith, not by sight.
There are promises that we can receive in this life like healing, material provision, protection/deliverance from danger and suffering and others after we go to be with Jesus. Both categories require faith i.e. believing is seeing.
Mark 11:24

New King James Version (NKJV)

24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

Abraham waited 25 years. Job waited 37 chapters. Caleb and Joshua waited 43 long hard years. Noah waited 100 years. David waited a around 20+ years for God's promise. Moses waited many years. All had only God's word and believed and waited in faith and saw the promise during their lives. Most can't wait in faith 24 hours for a healing. In fact they have more confidence that a Sears mail order will come than God manifesting a healing.
 

Katy-follower

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Lesjude - It's God's will, not yours. You're trying to put God on a leash and control Him. The prosperity preachers do this.
 

Katy-follower

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Lesjude - It's God's will, not yours. You're trying to put God on a leash and control Him. The prosperity preachers do this.
Just to add to this. Yes, God heals but it's not promised to everyone, as I mentioned in your other thread.
 

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Prosperity Gospel
I believe the prosperity doctrine came from Catholicism. It's a renewal of the Catholic doctrine of indulgences. It's another name for the same doctrine.

"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin."The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead"

Catholic (1478) An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.

Catholic (1479) Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted.

Acts 8:20-23: But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.”
 

zone

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I believe the prosperity doctrine came from Catholicism. It's a renewal of the Catholic doctrine of indulgences. It's another name for the same doctrine.

"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin."The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead"

Catholic (1478) An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.

Catholic (1479) Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted.
wow....very very interesting.
i've never heard this before - i mean the connection. i'm getting a glimmer.

do you have any more on it katy?
i'd like to see it - a new thread, maybe?
zone
 
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The prosperity 'gospel'-(if we can call it that), was mentioned in I Timothy 6:5-10, and Revelation 3:14-18.
It's nothing new.
Satan uses the same old devices. (Because he can't create, he can only pervert.)
Also Simon Barjesus tried to buy God's gifts(Acts 8), - "there is nothing new under the sun".
 
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Positive Confession/PMA*

Prosperity Gospel & The New Age

- The fastest growing segment of professing Christianity in recent years has been among churches connected with the Positive Confession movement or Word-Faith movement (all part of the modern Charismatic movement). It has involved two distinct but closely related factions: the Norman Vincent Peale/Robert Schuller Positive-Possibility thinkers/Positive Mental Attitude, with their roots in New Thought; and the Kenneth Hagin/Kenneth Copeland Positive Confession and Word-Faith groups, which have their roots in E.W. Kenyon, William Branham, and the Manifest Sons of God/Latter Rain movement. Well-known names among its leaders are E.W. Kenyon, Charles Capps, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Frederick K.C. Price, Robert Tilton, and David [Paul] Yonggi Cho. It does not yet constitute a new denomination, but it certainly represents innovative teachings outside of mainstream Christianity. The situation is so serious now because of the dominance over the so-called Christian media achieved by the teachers of Positive/Possibility Thinking and Positive Confession.....

...This is at the heart of the Positive Confession movement today, also known as the "name-it-and-claim-it" gospel. The Positive Confession movement is nothing but a charismatic form of Christian Science. This can be substantiated by simply comparing the similarities in their common beliefs. Positive Confession is basically warmed-over New Thought dressed in evangelical/charismatic language. Positive Confession's basic beliefs can be summarized as follows:

1. Faith is a force that both God and man can use: "Faith is a force just like electricity or gravity" (Copeland), and it is the substance out of which God creates whatever is (Capps). God uses faith, and so may we in exactly the same way in order to produce the same results through obedience to the same "laws of faith" (Capps) that God applied in creation. "You have the same ability [as God has] dwelling or residing on the inside of you" (Capps). "We have all the capabilities of God. We have His faith" (Copeland)...."

etc.

Positive Confession / PMA - Prosperity Gospel & The New Age << click

Just exactly what is Jesus referring to when He mentions the word faith in these passages...

Mt 7:27-30

27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou son of David, have mercy on us.
28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.

...and what about Lk 17:13-19

13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

and again in Mt 15:22-28

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

*In this passage Jesus and His disciples did everything to try and discourage her and her faith and could not do it. If Jesus did the same with some of us we probably we turn away and go home with our tail between our legs.

I suppose that our Lord was just wet behind the ears when He boldly mentions the faith of these that believed upon Him for their healings. Zone, you do not have an answer for this because it was their faith that was responsible for Jesus Christ having mercy upon them and healing them. He turned none of them away and healed EACH ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you going to deny what the Lord said by conviluting it with your presupposition and ignorance as to the Lord showing mercy upon them and giving to them what they believed Him for? If you are sick and you or someone by proxy does not believe or want the Lord to heal you, you will not be healed and there will be no compassion.

And this passage reveals something about faith that we have not even scratched the surface about...

Mt 8:5-10

5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

UNCLEFESTER, THE HOT HEAD SPEAKS. Are we going to do away with what Christ has said in these passages? Did you get what our Lord was saying and how about you Abiding and the rest of you who have become so smug in your doctrine. Away with your lack of faith in the living God. If doctrine is going to take you away from the faith that puts into action the very nature and compassion of our Lord then you need to re-examine your faith and begin to trust by faith in all that He is and that includes our Creator, our Healer and our Great Physician.
 
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Red your broadbrushing again. What post did you disagree with?
Please post it and give a rebuttal maybe.
 

zone

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eh...Red, you're ticked off and defensive because you're a hyper-dispensationalist - which is error.
can't help ya. go study.
toss out Scofield.

if you are an apologist for kuhlman and all those antics, that's your issue.
deal with it.

if you want to go get slain in the spirit at a Hinn revival, be my guest.
good luck ministering to anyone after that for a long time, if ever.

bye
 
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lesjude

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Lesjude - It's God's will, not yours.
Yes, and God's will is VERY CLEAR. Psalm 103:1-5, James 5:14-15, Exodus 15:26, Exodus 23:25, 1 Peter 2:24.
You're trying to put God on a leash and control Him. The prosperity preachers do this.
No, just trying to get Christians to stop living like the prodigal's older brother when their heavenly Father wants to give them the Kingdom if they will come to Him in childlike faith and ask. The brother had it all but never asked.
 
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UNCLEFESTER, THE HOT HEAD SPEAKS. Are we going to do away with what Christ has said in these passages? Did you get what our Lord was saying and how about you Abiding and the rest of you who have become so smug in your doctrine. Away with your lack of faith in the living God. If doctrine is going to take you away from the faith that puts into action the very nature and compassion of our Lord then you need to re-examine your faith and begin to trust by faith in all that He is and that includes our Creator, our Healer and our Great Physician.
Are you still ticked at me because I called you a hothead ? Let it go Red. My feelings for you remain the same today as they always were ... and always shall be. And we have Pm'd a few times enough in the past for you to know what that means. Now if I can respond to this without causing you any further anger, I'll attempt do so. What does having faith in Christ as our Saviour and His UNLIMITED capacity to do ANYTHING that He wills have to do with not believing in modern day tongues, apostles and prophets ? Are you suggesting that those who are sick or suffer an infirmity are in these conditions because of a lack of faith in Christ and/or His ability to heal them ? To be honest and frank with you Red, I'm of the opinion that you're anger with me and a few others here has more to do with our differences in our understanding of eschatology than it does with faith. And if it makes you feel any better, I'd dearly love for you to be right and for us to be wrong. Who likes the prospect of trials and tribulations ? I don't. And NEVER has a one of us .... Zone, Abiding, myself and whoever else is in your crosshairs ever professed to believe that God can't or won't heal somebody if it is His will to do so. Never. Matter of fact Red, it would seem to me that Lazarus and a few others in times of old weren't raised from the dead because "they believed and had faith". They were already dead. Remember that. You're in my prayers tonite Red. And I love you now as always.

 
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eh...Red, you're ticked off and defensive because you're a hyper-dispensationalist - which is error.
can't help ya. go study.
toss out Scofield.

if you are an apologist for kuhlman and all those antics, that's your issue.
deal with it.

if you want to go get slain in the spirit at a Hinn revival, be my guest.
good luck ministering to anyone after that for a long time, if ever.

bye
That's cute being hyper and all that. I'm astonished with some of you. You don't like pure faith that goes beyond what you understand. To grow in grace and knowledge of Christ it is accomplished through a pure and unfeigned faith with a pure heart. A believer can have a pure heart toward God and make mistakes in their understanding and practice and God has a way of bringing them around to His way of doing things without condemning them as he continues to bless them and use them through that process, even if they fail and sin. That is not your cup of tea nor your practice unfortunately. If you don't believe that Christ is obligated to act today as He did when He was here, then what makes you think He is obligated to save by grace those who would come to Him by faith?

If a sinner can come to Him by faith to be saved and He saves them through and by their faith in Him, then way can't that same sinner come to Him by faith to be healed and be healed by Him? You would not doubt God's ability to save that lost soul that comes to Him by faith, but you doubt that the same Saviour would heal the sick body of that lost soul if they came to Him and asked Him? That is a double-minded proposition. God is good enough to save the lost soul but not good enough to heal the sick body of that lost soul. Some people never come to Him to be healed because they feel they are not worthy and I hope your understanding does not lead others away from the Great Physician. Is your boast in the Lord only in the saving of the soul or is it also in the health of the body through the words of faith. Surely, if I can tell a sinner that Christ can save them to the uttermost, I can also have the same faith to tell them that he can heal their body...

I am the God of all flesh is there anything too hard for me (Jer 32:27). That is a promise from God but do we dare believe that promise of faith or lay it aside and attached sovereignty to it and say 'He may or may not be' Be it according to our faith or not? ONLY BELIEVE!

Lk 8:49-56
49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.
50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead.
54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise.
55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
56 And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.
 
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strike 2....

New International Version (©1984)
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
The word used for substance is hupostasis which is used in Hebrews 1:3 of Christ as "the very image" of God's "substance" or the real nature of that to which reference is made in contrast to the outward manifestation. Our faith is substance in the spiritual realm like the appearance of the reflection of apples in a mirror or the shadow of an object that can identify the object.
Hebrews 11:1New King James Version (NKJV)

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 1:3

New King James Version (NKJV)

3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself[a] purged our[b] sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,


One cannot have faith for anything they are not COMPLETELY settled on what God's will is. God expects His bride to know his will and have complete confidence that when she asks He hears and she will get the answer no matter what the circumstances look like. All those in Hebrews 11 spoke and acted on God's word ALONE against all probability that what He said could or would happen because they had the answer or substance- hupostasis in their hearts.It is the same for our sins forgiven, eternity with Jesus, protection and deliverance from suffering and harm, healing from disease. Note that in James 5:14-15 if the elders do not have the absolute confidence that God will heal and forgive the person will not get either as a result of their prayer. Then God is blamed and it becomes, well I guess it isn't God's will. That is charging God foolishly for their failure. A new "doctrine of man" is created. God does not fail!
 

zone

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That's cute being hyper and all that.
look it up - you don't even believe the jews can receive the gospel. that's how twisted that is. no clue who Israel is.

Hyper-dispensationalism (Mid-Acts Dispensationalism, ultra-dispensationalism[1] or more rarely "Bullingerism"[2]) is a niche Protestant doctrine that views the teachings of the Apostle Paul both as unique from earlier apostles and as foundational for the church, a perspective sometimes characterized by proponents as the "Pauline Distinctive."[3] E. W. Bullinger (1837&#8211;1913), an Anglican clergyman and scholar, is the best known early expositor of hyper-dispensationalism, although the ideas trace back further to John Nelson Darby (1800&#8211;1882).

Hyper-dispensationalism is rejected by mainstream dispensationalism, which holds that the Church began at Pentecost[4] long prior to Paul's conversion to Christianity as described early in the New Testament book entitled "Acts of the Apostles." Popular dispensationalist Harry A. Ironside (1876&#8211;1951) declared Bullingerism an "absolutely Satanic perversion of the truth." [5] Anti-dispensationalists simultaneously admire hyper-dispensationalism as a "consistent Dispensationalism" and condemn it as much like a "cult or sect."[6] Evangelicals reject adherents as "divisive."[7] The clearest scholarly references to hyper-dispensationalism are made by Charles C. Ryrie [8] and Charles F. Baker.[9]

Advocates of hyper-dispensationalism accept the term "dispensationalism", but reject the prefix "hyper" or "ultra" as pejorative. Within the United States, advocates often refer to themselves as members of the "Grace Movement,"[10] and affiliate with the Grace Gospel Fellowship, a church association, and its Grace Bible College in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Hyperdispensationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia << click

I'm astonished with some of you. You don't like pure faith that goes beyond what you understand.
if you say so.

To grow in grace and knowledge of Christ it is accomplished through a pure and unfeigned faith with a pure heart. A believer can have a pure heart toward God and make mistakes in their understanding and practice and God has a way of bringing them around to His way of doing things without condemning them as he continues to bless them and use them through that process, even if they fail and sin. That is not your cup of tea nor your practice unfortunately. If you don't believe that Christ is obligated to act today as He did when He was here, then what makes you think He is obligated to save by grace those who would come to Him by faith?
i suppose it needs repeating...yet again.
find one single place i've said God does not heal according to His will.

oh wait...you can't. but you can keep bleating that, because you have to now.
i'm sorry you're painted into a corner, but it's you who has to get out. you're ticked off about the other thing and it's plain as day. getting tired of your rants, Red, okay:)

as for Jesus being 'obligated' to do anything, i do not know what to say about that...that hasn't already been said.
is He obligated to give me a caddillac? because i've lent my car to someone who doesn't have one.

and i'd like a nice ride. surely i get what i want, right?
He is obligated.

you doubt that the same Saviour would heal the sick body of that lost soul if they came to Him and asked Him?
rubbish. prove it.
never said anything of the sort.
He does as He knows best. His will.

That is a double-minded proposition.
i know your speeches.

God is good enough to save the lost soul but not good enough to heal the sick body of that lost soul.
you own that remark, not me.
find me saying anywhere God is not Good.
you are over the top.

do christians get sick Red?
just yes or no. ever seen a christian get sick and die?
what did you tell them as they were dying?
no faith?

good work for the Lord, man.
good job...all grace, eh?

no, all LAW. quid pro quo.
IF we do this, God will do that....ya?

Some people never come to Him to be healed because they feel they are not worthy and I hope your understanding does not lead others away from the Great Physician.
you hope away. i have no idea what you're on.

....and some people come to Him and are not healed. not because He is not Good, but because He is Sovereign.
should they lose faith, Red?
yes, or no? let's see your real position.

Is your boast in the Lord only in the saving of the soul or is it also in the health of the body through the words of faith. Surely, if I can tell a sinner that Christ can save them to the uttermost, I can also have the same faith to tell them that he can heal their body...
go for it. and AMEN if God decides to heal them.

and you better think about it, if He doesn't.
shipwreck come to mind?

I am the God of all flesh is there anything too hard for me (Jer 32:27). That is a promise from God but do we dare believe that promise of faith or lay it aside and attached sovereignty to it and say 'He may or may not be' Be it according to our faith or not? ONLY BELIEVE!
this is really getting boring. you know?
you won't answer, but i wonder how many of your relatives or believing friends are sick or dying from sickness now. ANY?

find where i have said don't believe. find it!

Lk 8:49-56
49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.
50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead.
54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise.
55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
56 And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.
great! Jesus performed that marvelous work! AMEN.

what does that have to do with the subject Red?
please show me ONE single instance of anyone TODAY raising someone from the dead.

ONE.

if you can't, i wonder why you are not convicted by what you are doing in these posts.
i'm out
goodnight.
 
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Show me a sign!
(And if you do)
You can't prove it!
Let's just debate the Bible.
The proof is in the text.
(One way or the other.)
 
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He is claiming that all people who believe will be healed and that lack of healing = lack of faith, unless he changed his mind since the last thread
Its always the person needing healing, that needs to believe and have faith, to be healed.
Its NEVER the other person, whose belief and faith, that can be used to heal someone, that comes
into question.
 
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God did it because He loves you and wants you to trust Him alone for all He provides. He trained me in the same way only used severe burns which He instantly healed. Now I know it is His absolute will based on His word alone to heal no matter how bad it looks or how long it takes, and trust Jesus alone until it is manifested. He has never failed us.

The truth is that your healing may manifest in eternity, not in time. If your trust is in God who heals, then when He heals you is secondary to belonging to the Healer. Certainly you will thank Him if He heals you today. But if your healing comes beyond death in eternity, will you praise Him now for that?
Paul did just that: "'O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?' The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord" (1 Cor. 15:55-58).


I came across this article and thought of you and Know1....the Bible verse is included to show that I am not rude.....the quote is included because I really enjoy the Duke!

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Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.....Sgt.Striker/John Wayne