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Zone, you're a very negative person. You seem really angry, too.
We're having a lovely conversation. We disagree but that doesn't mean we can't be civil. You don't need to come in telling the person who is much kinder than you to be mean and harsh.
I know that Christians are out to save people (which I appreciate, because I know they do it to try and help). You know the old saying you catch more flies with honey? As someone who's not a Christian I can honestly say you'll gain more followers if you're kind and non-judgmental.
I appreciate that I'm a threat to you, Zone, since I have such a vastly different opinion. However, I have been kind a civil to you and you have only been negative and hateful to me. This will be my last post to you because I don't like to feed anger, I just wanted to tell you why I won't be responding to any of your posts.
I hope you can find a way to get rid of some of that anger, because it's only hurting you.
We're having a lovely conversation. We disagree but that doesn't mean we can't be civil. You don't need to come in telling the person who is much kinder than you to be mean and harsh.
I know that Christians are out to save people (which I appreciate, because I know they do it to try and help). You know the old saying you catch more flies with honey? As someone who's not a Christian I can honestly say you'll gain more followers if you're kind and non-judgmental.
I appreciate that I'm a threat to you, Zone, since I have such a vastly different opinion. However, I have been kind a civil to you and you have only been negative and hateful to me. This will be my last post to you because I don't like to feed anger, I just wanted to tell you why I won't be responding to any of your posts.
I hope you can find a way to get rid of some of that anger, because it's only hurting you.
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What we are doing here is search for the truth.
So many of you are talking about different views of God, or that perhaps Muslims go to heaven. I really don’t think it matters at all what you or I think. None of us will be able to fully comprehend the spiritual, the God run side of our world. What we do understand takes a different kind of thinking than the secularly educated, all common sense thinking, it requires thethinking of a born again person who has put a lot of scripture in his mind.
The picture that scripture paints that scripture paints of God does not fit any other god, even that of the muslims. The forgiveness of sin that Christ offers has always been key to scripture from the day of creation. Atonement, for the first thousands of years, was through a shadow of the cross. This could be because God is eternal so a shadow of atonement was true even then.
From the very beginning of time, people deciding for themselves about God or calling him by any other name, was something God said was wrong. Every time they changed who they said God is in any way there has been trouble. History shows this right up to the present time.
For those of you deep in common sense or worldly type reasoning, it makes common sense. If you created something as outstanding as the world and humans, decided how it was to operate, how would you like those humans to tell you who you are, how you did it, and that they would handle it all the way they decided, thank you.
So many of you are talking about different views of God, or that perhaps Muslims go to heaven. I really don’t think it matters at all what you or I think. None of us will be able to fully comprehend the spiritual, the God run side of our world. What we do understand takes a different kind of thinking than the secularly educated, all common sense thinking, it requires thethinking of a born again person who has put a lot of scripture in his mind.
The picture that scripture paints that scripture paints of God does not fit any other god, even that of the muslims. The forgiveness of sin that Christ offers has always been key to scripture from the day of creation. Atonement, for the first thousands of years, was through a shadow of the cross. This could be because God is eternal so a shadow of atonement was true even then.
From the very beginning of time, people deciding for themselves about God or calling him by any other name, was something God said was wrong. Every time they changed who they said God is in any way there has been trouble. History shows this right up to the present time.
For those of you deep in common sense or worldly type reasoning, it makes common sense. If you created something as outstanding as the world and humans, decided how it was to operate, how would you like those humans to tell you who you are, how you did it, and that they would handle it all the way they decided, thank you.
Because there are quite a few different kinds of universalists. Their only nessisary common ground is that everyone will be saved in the end, and that's based in 1 Peter 3:9...
The foundations of universalism come from sections of the works of Clement, Origin, and St. Augustine though, I hope you at least know who they are.
And like I said, study a little. On your own that is. Know the people who know Christ to know Christ better.
The foundations of universalism come from sections of the works of Clement, Origin, and St. Augustine though, I hope you at least know who they are.
And like I said, study a little. On your own that is. Know the people who know Christ to know Christ better.
I gotta ask how someone so doe eyed for democracy copes with democracies putting the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood in power?
Democracy allows for oppression just as efficiently as other forms of governments. I'm kind of surprised there are people out there that aren't disillusioned by it.
Off topic, yeah, but I do find the gung ho for demo kind of funny. I guess its an Americanism.
Democracy allows for oppression just as efficiently as other forms of governments. I'm kind of surprised there are people out there that aren't disillusioned by it.
Off topic, yeah, but I do find the gung ho for demo kind of funny. I guess its an Americanism.
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Well to be fair I think that every government system can become corrupted. I happen to think democracy works well to prevent that. I mean, I'm pretty happy living in a country that provides us with as much freedom as we have. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination saying it's flawless, because I don't think any government system is flawless.
You may not like the president, but the majority of this country wanted him in power. That's democracy. If you don't like it you can say so. That's not a freedom you'd necessarily have in another country. That's democracy.
You may not like the president, but the majority of this country wanted him in power. That's democracy. If you don't like it you can say so. That's not a freedom you'd necessarily have in another country. That's democracy.
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Are you talking to me? I don't think I know everything. In fact I think I don't know a lot more than I do know. That's why I'm constantly looking to learn more.
Tough love is love, yes. However, what crosses the line from tough love to harassment? I don't have to listen to hate speech, and I won't.
To be fair, if this is regarding the post about Zone, this is not the only thread we've encountered each other on, and he's been nothing but mean. Again, there's tough love then there's harassment.
Tough love is love, yes. However, what crosses the line from tough love to harassment? I don't have to listen to hate speech, and I won't.
To be fair, if this is regarding the post about Zone, this is not the only thread we've encountered each other on, and he's been nothing but mean. Again, there's tough love then there's harassment.
Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
Universalism is exactly this: A system of religious beliefs maintaining that all men are predestined for salvation.
That's it. That's what I've been saying from my first post in this thread.
Like I said before, their only nessisary common ground is that everyone will be saved in the end, and that's based in 1 Peter 3:9...
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Lol that's funny because I think I have the opposite view, that the system is set up to prevent corruption (checks and balances) but the people corrupt it.
Granted, there are politicians trying to clean it up and who work tireless to prevent and get rid of corruption, but I think there are also a lot that are corrupt.
Sometimes the state of politics in America scares me to death. However, looking at countries like North Korea and China make me really happy to be where I am. No matter who is in charge, no matter how much someone likes them or hates them, they'll be gone in 4-8 years and we vote again.
Granted, there are politicians trying to clean it up and who work tireless to prevent and get rid of corruption, but I think there are also a lot that are corrupt.
Sometimes the state of politics in America scares me to death. However, looking at countries like North Korea and China make me really happy to be where I am. No matter who is in charge, no matter how much someone likes them or hates them, they'll be gone in 4-8 years and we vote again.
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I guess there's still a little Navy Seal in me. It's my nature in my military mind to pinpoint the enemy. Bush declared a war on terror. That's like declaring a war against roadside bombs. Just as the bomb is a tool of war, so is terrorism. In WWII, had the war been against the buzz bombs, used by the Germans, rather than the Germans themselves, the enemy would not have been correctly defined. At any rate, the current enemy is not terrorism; terrorism is a tool. The enemy is the user of tool.
I know that not all Muslims are terrorist, but with few exceptions, all terrorist seem to be Muslims. And, if one reads the the Quran, and the teachings of most Islamic religious leaders, it is quite obvious that main stream Islam is the enemy of freedom and democracy world wide. Without correctly identifying the enemy, the war is lost.
I still think you have to have a quite strong faith, to believe in evolution. I mean, as complex as a living creatures are, it seems more likely that my Rolex watch evolved from a pile of rocks. There are those who say;"Well this took billions of years for life to evolve". But when the effects of entropy are added to the equation, evolution becomes quite impossible.
I have strong feelings against organized religions, as did Christ, and as I assume you. I do not attend any church. I've never found a perfect church, and if I did, it would no longer be perfect if I joined. And because I do not wish to share my infection, I do not attend church.
Well girl, I could go on all night. But, I got to get some work done.
Praying for you
I know that not all Muslims are terrorist, but with few exceptions, all terrorist seem to be Muslims. And, if one reads the the Quran, and the teachings of most Islamic religious leaders, it is quite obvious that main stream Islam is the enemy of freedom and democracy world wide. Without correctly identifying the enemy, the war is lost.
I still think you have to have a quite strong faith, to believe in evolution. I mean, as complex as a living creatures are, it seems more likely that my Rolex watch evolved from a pile of rocks. There are those who say;"Well this took billions of years for life to evolve". But when the effects of entropy are added to the equation, evolution becomes quite impossible.
I have strong feelings against organized religions, as did Christ, and as I assume you. I do not attend any church. I've never found a perfect church, and if I did, it would no longer be perfect if I joined. And because I do not wish to share my infection, I do not attend church.
Well girl, I could go on all night. But, I got to get some work done.
Praying for you
Of course it's not a meritless assertion. It is however unrealistic for me to think you even understand what I asserted. Many universalists regard those early church fathers as holding their ideals. Weather or not that is true is immaterial. The point being that a great many universalists are trinitarian.
Why you're hung up on this is beyond me, however the level of difficulty you're having understanding these basic points is quite incredible to me. I'd even posted what 1 Peter 3:9 says and why they use it several times before you asked.
Shocking as this may be to you a great deal of information is not available on the internet, I don't see why you continually appeal to it. If however you did want to learn about other Christians, such information is there for the searching.
Why you're hung up on this is beyond me, however the level of difficulty you're having understanding these basic points is quite incredible to me. I'd even posted what 1 Peter 3:9 says and why they use it several times before you asked.
Shocking as this may be to you a great deal of information is not available on the internet, I don't see why you continually appeal to it. If however you did want to learn about other Christians, such information is there for the searching.