Our Kingdom to Come
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The kingdom is here
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” Matt 3:2
"The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom." Matt 13:38
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matt 16:28
"There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus."
Matt 17:2-3
"Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you." Matt 21:31
"The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst." Matt 17:20-21
We are Gods kingdom, it is reigning in our hearts.
We do not see it because we dismiss His work so easily and talk down what he has already done, and listen to task masters who wish to load bigger burdens on our backs.
As new creations walking empowered by the love of Jesus we have already walked into eternity, righteousness, purity.
When our flesh causes us to fail, more often than not, it is us taking our view off the Lord.
People want massive signs or miracles or actions, when the very relationships and hurts we can deal with are right infront of us and a testimony against us not walking in victory and love.
It is insane to talk about Israel in terms today with any knowledge when we often deny the spiritual realities in our own hearts that dim in all this astrology into insignificance.
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” Matt 3:2
"The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom." Matt 13:38
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matt 16:28
"There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus."
Matt 17:2-3
"Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you." Matt 21:31
"The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst." Matt 17:20-21
We are Gods kingdom, it is reigning in our hearts.
We do not see it because we dismiss His work so easily and talk down what he has already done, and listen to task masters who wish to load bigger burdens on our backs.
As new creations walking empowered by the love of Jesus we have already walked into eternity, righteousness, purity.
When our flesh causes us to fail, more often than not, it is us taking our view off the Lord.
People want massive signs or miracles or actions, when the very relationships and hurts we can deal with are right infront of us and a testimony against us not walking in victory and love.
It is insane to talk about Israel in terms today with any knowledge when we often deny the spiritual realities in our own hearts that dim in all this astrology into insignificance.
What will Gods Kingdom or [government] be like maybe ?
God Almighty—the Father of Jesus Christ—is Supreme Lawgiver,
and Head over Christ, and over all that is.
We know that Jesus Christ is to be King of kings, and Lord of lords
over both state and church, united through him.
All others, in positions of governmental authority, will be
resurrected immortals, born of God—no longer flesh-and-blood humans.
Abraham , the father of all who are Christ’s and heirs of salvation
given a greater position of authority in God’s kingdom than David
and that he will be over both Israelites and gentiles.
He is “father” of gentile converts as well as Israelites.
Then again, repeatedly the Bible uses the phrase, “Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob,” grouping them together as a team, and calling
them, together, “the fathers.” For the promises were repromised,
also, to Isaac and Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel.(Luke 13:28).
There will be one Church—one God—one religion—one educational system—one social order.
And, as in God’s original pattern in ancient Israel, they will be united.
Three men—Peter, James and John, among the original twelve disciples
were privileged to see the kingdom of God in a vision (Matthew 17:9).
this vision—this glimpse into the coming kingdom
and they were Moses and Elijah. These two, in the vision, represented the
offices of church and state, with and under Christ, as they will
be in God’s kingdom. Both Moses and Elijah qualified in their
human lifetime for very high positions in the kingdom of God.
Moses was the one through whom Christ gave the laws and the statutes of government
Moses was trained as a son of a pharaoh (king of Egypt). His training
and experience were among gentiles, as well as the children of Israel.
Elijah, above all others, is represented in Scripture as the
prophet who restored the worship of the true God—and obedience
to his commandments. When Elijah ordered King Ahab to
gather on Mount Carmel “all Israel” (1 Kings 18:19-21)through(verse 39).
The vision of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:27 through 17:9) gave
the apostles Peter, James and John a preview of Christ coming in his kingdom
Moses over all organized national and international government;
Elijah, over all organized church, religious and educational activity.
And it is significant that Elijah had organized
and headed three schools or colleges (2 Kings 2:3, 5;
4:38—at Bethel, Jericho and Gilgal) teaching God’s truth in
a world corrupted by false pagan education.
tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (descended from Joseph),
will become the two leading nations of the world (Jeremiah
30:16-18; 31:4-11, 18-20; Isaiah 14:1-2; Deuteronomy 28:13).
We know that King David of ancient Israel will be
king over the twelve great nations composed of literal descendants
of the twelve tribes of Israel.
We know the twelve apostles will each be a king, sitting on a throne,
over one of those great nations descended from the tribes of Israel.
King David, will be king, under Moses, over all twelve nations of Israel
(Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24-25).
Each of the original twelve apostles will be king, under David,
over one of these nations (Matthew 19:28).
The parables of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27)and talents(Matthew 25:14-30)
under Moses. What prophet—wha tman of God—
did God send to be trained at top-level government
authority, in the world’s very first world empire?
When God, through the prophet Ezekiel, named three of
the most righteous men who ever lived, he named Daniel as one
of them. The other two were Noah and Job (Ezekiel 14:14, 20).
And it is evident that God will assign Noah and Job to offices of
very great magnitude.
possibility, in passing, to consider that
Daniel’s three colleagues in this Chaldean Empire service—
Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego—might serve as a team(Daniel 12:13).
Joseph became food administrator of the greatest nation on
earth of that time—Egypt. Joseph was synonymous with “prosperity.”
“And the Lord was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous
man; and … the Lord made all that he did to prosper in his hand” (Genesis 39:2-3).
structures Christ will require for the world he will create. “And
they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former
desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations
of many generations” (Isaiah 61:4).
Job was the wealthiest and greatest man of the east (Job 1:3)
and a noted builder. (Compare Job 3:13-14 with God’s challenge
in Job 38:4-6.) He was so upright and perfect, God even dared
Satan to find a flaw in his character. Actually, there was a
terrible sin in his life—self-righteousness. But God brought him
to repentance. (See Job, chapters 38-42.)
At least one other man seems indicated as a top assistant
in this vast administration. That is Zerubbabel (Haggai, and Zechariah 4).
When Jesus Christ returns to earth in the full supreme power and
glory of the Creator God, he is coming, this time, to save the
world, spiritually.Christ, himself, will be ruling from Jerusalem.
Stationed there with Christ, under immediate direction of Elijah, it is
indicated, will be those immortals chosen by Christ to constitute
the Headquarters Church. Revelation 3:12 indicates those of the
“Philadelphia era” will be pillars in that Headquarters Church.
Next, in this all-important Headquarters Church organization,
working with and directly under Elijah, it appears, will
be the resurrected John the Baptist.
He came “in the spirit and power of [Elijah]” (Luke 1:17).
Of him, Jesus said, “Verily I say unto you, Among them that are
born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist …” (Matthew 11:11).
He was the Elijah prophesied to come (Matthew 11:7-11).
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
hope I see you all there
God Almighty—the Father of Jesus Christ—is Supreme Lawgiver,
and Head over Christ, and over all that is.
We know that Jesus Christ is to be King of kings, and Lord of lords
over both state and church, united through him.
All others, in positions of governmental authority, will be
resurrected immortals, born of God—no longer flesh-and-blood humans.
Abraham , the father of all who are Christ’s and heirs of salvation
given a greater position of authority in God’s kingdom than David
and that he will be over both Israelites and gentiles.
He is “father” of gentile converts as well as Israelites.
Then again, repeatedly the Bible uses the phrase, “Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob,” grouping them together as a team, and calling
them, together, “the fathers.” For the promises were repromised,
also, to Isaac and Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel.(Luke 13:28).
There will be one Church—one God—one religion—one educational system—one social order.
And, as in God’s original pattern in ancient Israel, they will be united.
Three men—Peter, James and John, among the original twelve disciples
were privileged to see the kingdom of God in a vision (Matthew 17:9).
this vision—this glimpse into the coming kingdom
and they were Moses and Elijah. These two, in the vision, represented the
offices of church and state, with and under Christ, as they will
be in God’s kingdom. Both Moses and Elijah qualified in their
human lifetime for very high positions in the kingdom of God.
Moses was the one through whom Christ gave the laws and the statutes of government
Moses was trained as a son of a pharaoh (king of Egypt). His training
and experience were among gentiles, as well as the children of Israel.
Elijah, above all others, is represented in Scripture as the
prophet who restored the worship of the true God—and obedience
to his commandments. When Elijah ordered King Ahab to
gather on Mount Carmel “all Israel” (1 Kings 18:19-21)through(verse 39).
The vision of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:27 through 17:9) gave
the apostles Peter, James and John a preview of Christ coming in his kingdom
Moses over all organized national and international government;
Elijah, over all organized church, religious and educational activity.
And it is significant that Elijah had organized
and headed three schools or colleges (2 Kings 2:3, 5;
4:38—at Bethel, Jericho and Gilgal) teaching God’s truth in
a world corrupted by false pagan education.
tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (descended from Joseph),
will become the two leading nations of the world (Jeremiah
30:16-18; 31:4-11, 18-20; Isaiah 14:1-2; Deuteronomy 28:13).
We know that King David of ancient Israel will be
king over the twelve great nations composed of literal descendants
of the twelve tribes of Israel.
We know the twelve apostles will each be a king, sitting on a throne,
over one of those great nations descended from the tribes of Israel.
King David, will be king, under Moses, over all twelve nations of Israel
(Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24-25).
Each of the original twelve apostles will be king, under David,
over one of these nations (Matthew 19:28).
The parables of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27)and talents(Matthew 25:14-30)
under Moses. What prophet—wha tman of God—
did God send to be trained at top-level government
authority, in the world’s very first world empire?
When God, through the prophet Ezekiel, named three of
the most righteous men who ever lived, he named Daniel as one
of them. The other two were Noah and Job (Ezekiel 14:14, 20).
And it is evident that God will assign Noah and Job to offices of
very great magnitude.
possibility, in passing, to consider that
Daniel’s three colleagues in this Chaldean Empire service—
Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego—might serve as a team(Daniel 12:13).
Joseph became food administrator of the greatest nation on
earth of that time—Egypt. Joseph was synonymous with “prosperity.”
“And the Lord was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous
man; and … the Lord made all that he did to prosper in his hand” (Genesis 39:2-3).
structures Christ will require for the world he will create. “And
they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former
desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations
of many generations” (Isaiah 61:4).
Job was the wealthiest and greatest man of the east (Job 1:3)
and a noted builder. (Compare Job 3:13-14 with God’s challenge
in Job 38:4-6.) He was so upright and perfect, God even dared
Satan to find a flaw in his character. Actually, there was a
terrible sin in his life—self-righteousness. But God brought him
to repentance. (See Job, chapters 38-42.)
At least one other man seems indicated as a top assistant
in this vast administration. That is Zerubbabel (Haggai, and Zechariah 4).
When Jesus Christ returns to earth in the full supreme power and
glory of the Creator God, he is coming, this time, to save the
world, spiritually.Christ, himself, will be ruling from Jerusalem.
Stationed there with Christ, under immediate direction of Elijah, it is
indicated, will be those immortals chosen by Christ to constitute
the Headquarters Church. Revelation 3:12 indicates those of the
“Philadelphia era” will be pillars in that Headquarters Church.
Next, in this all-important Headquarters Church organization,
working with and directly under Elijah, it appears, will
be the resurrected John the Baptist.
He came “in the spirit and power of [Elijah]” (Luke 1:17).
Of him, Jesus said, “Verily I say unto you, Among them that are
born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist …” (Matthew 11:11).
He was the Elijah prophesied to come (Matthew 11:7-11).
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
hope I see you all there
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lol..
To you and me, and yes even to abraham, It is about the Holy Spirit. and about the eternal heavens. It is not about anything on this earth for our lives here are but a blink of an eye compaired to eterntiy.
But To God, Who Gave a peace of land to a nation he promised to call his own, Who would prove to ALL the nations of the earth, he is the god of Love, the God of heave, and the God of Israel. who keeps his promises. It means everything.
If God will not keep his promise to Israel. there is NOTHING binding him to keep his promise to us, his word is worthless. at any time in the next billion years God can say, I changed my mind, Poof, You all will go to hell. I take back what I promised.
To you and me, and yes even to abraham, It is about the Holy Spirit. and about the eternal heavens. It is not about anything on this earth for our lives here are but a blink of an eye compaired to eterntiy.
But To God, Who Gave a peace of land to a nation he promised to call his own, Who would prove to ALL the nations of the earth, he is the god of Love, the God of heave, and the God of Israel. who keeps his promises. It means everything.
If God will not keep his promise to Israel. there is NOTHING binding him to keep his promise to us, his word is worthless. at any time in the next billion years God can say, I changed my mind, Poof, You all will go to hell. I take back what I promised.
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The problem we as Christians face when reading the Bible is to determine if God will ever break His own law. From my view as a Bible believing child of God I know that He is perfect and will never ever contradict Himself or do what He told us not to do... but then we have a problem because it is clear from the word of God that He divorced Israel
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
but according to His own Torah a first husband cannot re-marry his wife after she received a bill of divorce. Deut 24:4
this woman is bound to her husband until he dies, but if he dies she is released from the marriage Rom 7:2
1Cor7:39 also tells us that the wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives, but if he dies she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes.
Yeshua was clear on His mission, (Matthew 15:24) that He only came for the lost sheep of Israel. We can accept that He was lying or that He understood the Torah and His mission.
He died so that Israel could form part of the bride again.
Ezek37:15-28 tells us that Ephraim (Multitude of nations, "melo hagoyim") and Judah (Jews) will become one
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
but according to His own Torah a first husband cannot re-marry his wife after she received a bill of divorce. Deut 24:4
this woman is bound to her husband until he dies, but if he dies she is released from the marriage Rom 7:2
1Cor7:39 also tells us that the wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives, but if he dies she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes.
Yeshua was clear on His mission, (Matthew 15:24) that He only came for the lost sheep of Israel. We can accept that He was lying or that He understood the Torah and His mission.
He died so that Israel could form part of the bride again.
Ezek37:15-28 tells us that Ephraim (Multitude of nations, "melo hagoyim") and Judah (Jews) will become one
so all the OT prophesies which states God will give his word to the gentiles. And take it away from Israel because of her sin, But He will never forget the people he called his own, and if they repent, and return to him (which he said they WOULD) he will roster them to a glory that actually never had up to this day?
we just ignore all of them?? May it not be so.
GOD already kept his promise to Israel. Why won't you believe what scripture says?
And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45
[promises continued from post # 64]
God appeared to Jacob, name was changed to Israel (Genesis 35:11).
14And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him,
even a pillar of stone. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:
23The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah,
and Issachar, and Zebulun:24The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin:
25And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali:
26And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are
the sons of Jacob, which were born to him in Padan–aram.
29And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died
3Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was
the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours
joseph -Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold,
the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
11And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.
The next legal inheritor of the birthright was Reuben, firstborn
son of Israel, by his first wife, Leah. But Reuben, like Esau, lost it. And Joseph,
11th-born of Jacob, but firstborn of Rachel, his second and truly loved wife, received it.
The birthright belonged, legally, to Reuben, not Joseph. It
is related in 1 Chronicles 5:1-2 how it fell to Joseph: “Now the
sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn;
but, forasmuch as he defiled his father’s bed, his birthright was
given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy
is not to be reckoned after the birthright [or, rsv, “so that he
[Reuben] is not enrolled in the genealogy according to the birthright”].
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler;
but the birthright was Joseph’s).”
So at this point the two divisions of the Abrahamic promises—
the birthright, involving material and national promises,
and the scepter, including the kingly and spiritual promises were separated.
It is of first importance to keep in mind that the birthright,
including the Promised Land now called Palestine, the assurance
of multitudinous population, material and national prosperity,
dominance over other nations, was now given to Joseph and his sons.
This birthright was not to be inherited by all the tribes of Israel!
It was not given to the Jews! Only a part of the Israelites—
the descendants of Joseph—was to inherit these tremendous national promises!
These material promises for this life, then, belonged to an altogether different tribe
among the children of Israel than the scepter promise of the kingly line culminating
in Jesus Christ, which spiritual promise belonged in the tribe of Judah!
At the time of Jacob’s death, he and his sons were living in Egypt.
51And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: For God, said he,
hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father's house.
52And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me
to be fruitful in the land of my affliction
And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me
at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me, And said unto me,
Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will
make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy
seed after thee for an everlasting possession” (Genesis 48:2-4).
nothing whatsoever is said about all the families of the Earth being blessed
in his seed—the one seed. Nothing is said about kings.
Nothing is said about spiritual blessings whatever.
These promises are those of the birthright. These promises are of multiple seed
—a multitude of people—and possession of the Promised Land.
“And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were
born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into
Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine”(verse 5).
God appeared to Jacob, name was changed to Israel (Genesis 35:11).
14And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him,
even a pillar of stone. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:
23The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah,
and Issachar, and Zebulun:24The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin:
25And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali:
26And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are
the sons of Jacob, which were born to him in Padan–aram.
29And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died
3Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was
the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours
joseph -Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold,
the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
11And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.
The next legal inheritor of the birthright was Reuben, firstborn
son of Israel, by his first wife, Leah. But Reuben, like Esau, lost it. And Joseph,
11th-born of Jacob, but firstborn of Rachel, his second and truly loved wife, received it.
The birthright belonged, legally, to Reuben, not Joseph. It
is related in 1 Chronicles 5:1-2 how it fell to Joseph: “Now the
sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn;
but, forasmuch as he defiled his father’s bed, his birthright was
given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy
is not to be reckoned after the birthright [or, rsv, “so that he
[Reuben] is not enrolled in the genealogy according to the birthright”].
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler;
but the birthright was Joseph’s).”
So at this point the two divisions of the Abrahamic promises—
the birthright, involving material and national promises,
and the scepter, including the kingly and spiritual promises were separated.
It is of first importance to keep in mind that the birthright,
including the Promised Land now called Palestine, the assurance
of multitudinous population, material and national prosperity,
dominance over other nations, was now given to Joseph and his sons.
This birthright was not to be inherited by all the tribes of Israel!
It was not given to the Jews! Only a part of the Israelites—
the descendants of Joseph—was to inherit these tremendous national promises!
These material promises for this life, then, belonged to an altogether different tribe
among the children of Israel than the scepter promise of the kingly line culminating
in Jesus Christ, which spiritual promise belonged in the tribe of Judah!
At the time of Jacob’s death, he and his sons were living in Egypt.
51And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: For God, said he,
hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father's house.
52And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me
to be fruitful in the land of my affliction
And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me
at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me, And said unto me,
Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will
make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy
seed after thee for an everlasting possession” (Genesis 48:2-4).
nothing whatsoever is said about all the families of the Earth being blessed
in his seed—the one seed. Nothing is said about kings.
Nothing is said about spiritual blessings whatever.
These promises are those of the birthright. These promises are of multiple seed
—a multitude of people—and possession of the Promised Land.
“And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were
born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into
Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine”(verse 5).
The birthright, remember, belongs legally to the firstborn,
unless altered by divine intervention. The inheritor of the birthright,
in receiving the blessing conferred upon him, should
have had Jacob’s right hand resting upon his head. That is why
“Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward
Israel’s left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel’s
right hand, and brought them near unto him” (verse 13).
Manasseh’s name is mentioned first, because Manasseh was the elder. But
old Jacob now mentioned the name of Ephraim first. Here we
see supernatural guidance!
and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the
midst of the earth” (verses 14-16).
Israel did not confer this blessing on just one, but on
both—“Bless the lads,” he said. This blessing went upon them
jointly. “Let my name be named on them” was part of this
blessing. His name was Israel. Hence, it was the descendants of
these lads, not the descendants of Judah, or the Jews, who were
named Israel. the name Israel was to be
indelibly stamped on Ephraim and Manasseh!
Ephraim and Manasseh together received the right to the name Israel.
It was to become the national name of their descendants.
And their descendants were never Jews!
Together the descendants of these two lads, Ephraim and
Manasseh, were to grow into the promised multitude—
the nation and company of nations.
“Not so, my father,” said Joseph, “for this is the firstborn; put
thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused, and said,people,
and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother
shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude
[or,company] of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, In
thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as
Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh” (Genesis 48:18-20).
The “company of nations” is to grow out of Ephraim.
Notice that, before dividing the promises,
this prophetic blessing indicated plainly that the descendants
of these lads should remain together, and together grow into a
great multitude, then become separated, Manasseh becoming a
great nation, and Ephraim a still greater company of nations.
The promise of a future great nation and a company of
nations, together great for multitude, rich in national material
prosperity, possessing the “gates” of the Earth’s other nations,
applies solely to these lads and the two tribes which sprang from them.
“And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves
together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last
days. … Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy
hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s children
shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the
prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as
a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver [margin, ruler’s staff]
from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall
the gathering of the people be” (Genesis 49:1, 8-10).
The Hebrew word here translated Shiloh means the Messiah, the Prince of
Peace, or the one “seed” of Abraham.
Regarding Joseph, the combined Ephraim-Manasseh tribes, at
this present day, Israel prophesied: “Joseph is a fruitful bough
[here is pictured the birthright promise of multitudes in fulfillment],
even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches [margin,
daughters] run over the wall” (verse 22).(verses 25-26).
descendants of Joseph, possessing these birthright promises—
to become numerous, to colonize, thus spreading to the “north and the south,
and east and the west,” until they encircled the globe, to possess the “gates”
of enemy nations—never returned to Jerusalem from Assyria,
where they were driven with the 10 tribes after 721 b.c.,and were
never again mixed with Jews from that time.
Here are promises and prophecies which never have been fulfilled by the Jews,
by the Church, by the American Indian, or any other fanciful counterparts
of modern Israel. But they are fulfilled today if the Word of God is to stand!
unless altered by divine intervention. The inheritor of the birthright,
in receiving the blessing conferred upon him, should
have had Jacob’s right hand resting upon his head. That is why
“Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward
Israel’s left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel’s
right hand, and brought them near unto him” (verse 13).
Manasseh’s name is mentioned first, because Manasseh was the elder. But
old Jacob now mentioned the name of Ephraim first. Here we
see supernatural guidance!
and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the
midst of the earth” (verses 14-16).
Israel did not confer this blessing on just one, but on
both—“Bless the lads,” he said. This blessing went upon them
jointly. “Let my name be named on them” was part of this
blessing. His name was Israel. Hence, it was the descendants of
these lads, not the descendants of Judah, or the Jews, who were
named Israel. the name Israel was to be
indelibly stamped on Ephraim and Manasseh!
Ephraim and Manasseh together received the right to the name Israel.
It was to become the national name of their descendants.
And their descendants were never Jews!
Together the descendants of these two lads, Ephraim and
Manasseh, were to grow into the promised multitude—
the nation and company of nations.
“Not so, my father,” said Joseph, “for this is the firstborn; put
thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused, and said,people,
and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother
shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude
[or,company] of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, In
thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as
Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh” (Genesis 48:18-20).
The “company of nations” is to grow out of Ephraim.
Notice that, before dividing the promises,
this prophetic blessing indicated plainly that the descendants
of these lads should remain together, and together grow into a
great multitude, then become separated, Manasseh becoming a
great nation, and Ephraim a still greater company of nations.
The promise of a future great nation and a company of
nations, together great for multitude, rich in national material
prosperity, possessing the “gates” of the Earth’s other nations,
applies solely to these lads and the two tribes which sprang from them.
“And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves
together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last
days. … Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy
hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s children
shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the
prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as
a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver [margin, ruler’s staff]
from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall
the gathering of the people be” (Genesis 49:1, 8-10).
The Hebrew word here translated Shiloh means the Messiah, the Prince of
Peace, or the one “seed” of Abraham.
Regarding Joseph, the combined Ephraim-Manasseh tribes, at
this present day, Israel prophesied: “Joseph is a fruitful bough
[here is pictured the birthright promise of multitudes in fulfillment],
even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches [margin,
daughters] run over the wall” (verse 22).(verses 25-26).
descendants of Joseph, possessing these birthright promises—
to become numerous, to colonize, thus spreading to the “north and the south,
and east and the west,” until they encircled the globe, to possess the “gates”
of enemy nations—never returned to Jerusalem from Assyria,
where they were driven with the 10 tribes after 721 b.c.,and were
never again mixed with Jews from that time.
Here are promises and prophecies which never have been fulfilled by the Jews,
by the Church, by the American Indian, or any other fanciful counterparts
of modern Israel. But they are fulfilled today if the Word of God is to stand!
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why will you not listen to what God promised?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
1. It does not say just to Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and Christ. it says to all your descendents.
2. It does not say, I will give it to you in about 500 years, and once I give it to you, I am done with my commitment, and your people must do this, or I will take it away from them, it says I give it to them forever.
so in both cases and both of your arguments, I have listened to God and what he promised.
Gen 15 proves it was not a binding agreement between two parties, and as long as one party keeps up his part of the covenant, the other is obligated to keep his, but if one party fails. the other party is released.
In gen 15. God says I WILL.. He does not say, IF YOU DO, I WILL..
Thus, Unless this covenant is still binding today, God has broken his covenant.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
1. It does not say just to Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and Christ. it says to all your descendents.
2. It does not say, I will give it to you in about 500 years, and once I give it to you, I am done with my commitment, and your people must do this, or I will take it away from them, it says I give it to them forever.
so in both cases and both of your arguments, I have listened to God and what he promised.
Gen 15 proves it was not a binding agreement between two parties, and as long as one party keeps up his part of the covenant, the other is obligated to keep his, but if one party fails. the other party is released.
In gen 15. God says I WILL.. He does not say, IF YOU DO, I WILL..
Thus, Unless this covenant is still binding today, God has broken his covenant.
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No need to go on. we will never agree. Nothing you are saying makes any sense.
Gal 3 is not about some land promise. It is about the spiritual promise of eternal life to all nations through Abraham.
Gen 15 says descendents, not descendant. Christ has the whole world. Not some miniscule land property in the middle east.
recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or physical descendants
¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
¦Genesis 22:16-18|the birthright nations will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
¦Genesis 27:26-29 | the birthright nations will become wealthy and rule over other nations.
¦Genesis 28:13-14 | the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
¦Genesis 35:11 | the birthright nations will become “a nation and a company of nations.”
Genesis 48, Abraham’s grandson Jacob—whom God renamed Israel—
specifically assigned his name to Ephraim and Manasseh,
saying that one of these descendants would become a “great” people,
and that the other would become a “multitude of nations” .
¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
¦Genesis 22:16-18|the birthright nations will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
¦Genesis 27:26-29 | the birthright nations will become wealthy and rule over other nations.
¦Genesis 28:13-14 | the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
¦Genesis 35:11 | the birthright nations will become “a nation and a company of nations.”
Genesis 48, Abraham’s grandson Jacob—whom God renamed Israel—
specifically assigned his name to Ephraim and Manasseh,
saying that one of these descendants would become a “great” people,
and that the other would become a “multitude of nations” .
Yes, it is about the land promise, and it is only about the land promise. In Galatians 3:16, Paul did a word for word quote from the Septuagint.
The promises were declared to Abraham and to his seed. He is not saying, "and to seeds (σπερμασιν)" as upon many, but as upon one, "and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου)", which is Christ. Galatians 3:16
GOD said to Abram after Lot parted from him, "Look up with your eyes and behold from the place which you are now to the north, south, east, and west, because all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου) unto the age." Genesis 13:15
And I am giving to you and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου) after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan to an eternal possession. And I am becoming their GOD. Genesis 17:8
Master GOD of heaven and the GOD of the land, who took me out of my father’s house and out of the land of which I was born, who spoke to me, and swore by an oath to me saying, "I will give this land to you and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου)"; he will send his messenger in front of you, and you will take a wife to my son from there. Genesis 24:7
The promises were declared to Abraham and to his seed. He is not saying, "and to seeds (σπερμασιν)" as upon many, but as upon one, "and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου)", which is Christ. Galatians 3:16
GOD said to Abram after Lot parted from him, "Look up with your eyes and behold from the place which you are now to the north, south, east, and west, because all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου) unto the age." Genesis 13:15
And I am giving to you and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου) after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan to an eternal possession. And I am becoming their GOD. Genesis 17:8
Master GOD of heaven and the GOD of the land, who took me out of my father’s house and out of the land of which I was born, who spoke to me, and swore by an oath to me saying, "I will give this land to you and to your seed (και τω σπερματι σου)"; he will send his messenger in front of you, and you will take a wife to my son from there. Genesis 24:7
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The church is not in jerusalem or isreal today for a reason the reason is, Gal 3 is not about land, but about eternity
Paul argument in Galatians is like his argument in Romans 9 that being a jew does not get you an automatic in when it comes to the kingdom. Nor is the law what it takes to get us there either.
He is talking about eternity, not physical land.
as I said, we will have to agree to disagree.. You can post gal 3 100 times, it will not help. We see the context of galations 3 in a different light.