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So gen 15 AND 17 is a lie? Sorry, No place in those passages are what you claim said..
If this was case There was no reason for Israel to be punished according to lev 26 by Syria, and Judah to be punished by babylon and held captive up until rome,
Why have a throne of david, if the land and throne is not davids.. That makes no sense.
Why would a gentile want to go to Isreal. they have their own land. Lev 26 is for Isreal. Not any gentile nation. Again, this does not make sense my friend.
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
For many generations Israel and Judah remained as separate nations,
in adjoining territories, having their own separate kings.
see 1 and 2 Kings and 1 and 2 Chronicles
And in thy seed [Christ] shall all the nations of the
earth be blessed [this promise is spiritual, of grace];
because thou hast [obeyed] my voice” (Genesis 22:16-18).
the Jews have never been more than one nation.and never have been, many nations
Only those of the three tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi became physical Jews today.
King David was of the tribe of Judah. All succeeding kings of David’s dynasty
were of the house of David, tribe of Judah.
Jesus Christ was born of the house of David and the tribe of Judah.
grace the scepter—the promise of Christ and of grace—was
passed on to the Jews! “Salvation,” Jesus said, “is of the Jews”!
(John 4:22). “The gospel of Christ,” wrote Paul, “is the power of
God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first,
and also to the Greek” (Romans 1:16).
Earth after the Millennium—will be inhabited only by those who shall
be Abraham’s children through Christ (Romans 4:13).
The children of Israel, through sin, were driven out
of the Promised Land that belonged with the birthright.
The Turks came to power and dominion and for many centuries
possessed that land. Those descendants, the Turkish people,
occupied Palestine 400 years before Britain took it in 1917.
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
For many generations Israel and Judah remained as separate nations,
in adjoining territories, having their own separate kings.
see 1 and 2 Kings and 1 and 2 Chronicles
And in thy seed [Christ] shall all the nations of the
earth be blessed [this promise is spiritual, of grace];
because thou hast [obeyed] my voice” (Genesis 22:16-18).
the Jews have never been more than one nation.and never have been, many nations
Only those of the three tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi became physical Jews today.
King David was of the tribe of Judah. All succeeding kings of David’s dynasty
were of the house of David, tribe of Judah.
Jesus Christ was born of the house of David and the tribe of Judah.
grace the scepter—the promise of Christ and of grace—was
passed on to the Jews! “Salvation,” Jesus said, “is of the Jews”!
(John 4:22). “The gospel of Christ,” wrote Paul, “is the power of
God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first,
and also to the Greek” (Romans 1:16).
Earth after the Millennium—will be inhabited only by those who shall
be Abraham’s children through Christ (Romans 4:13).
The children of Israel, through sin, were driven out
of the Promised Land that belonged with the birthright.
The Turks came to power and dominion and for many centuries
possessed that land. Those descendants, the Turkish people,
occupied Palestine 400 years before Britain took it in 1917.
[Unconditionally without conditions?]
there was blessings [and] curses given,
but He [God] will never go back on his word
there was blessings [and] curses given,
but He [God] will never go back on his word
Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations
of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
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please stop trying to use Galatians to justify a particular part of Gods promise given to one nation. as being given to all people. If what you clai is true, The church should be living in peace in Israel at this very moment.
there is a reason it is not. because it was never given to us, or for us.
God had a plan for the nation of Isreal. That plan will still come to fruition.
there is a reason it is not. because it was never given to us, or for us.
God had a plan for the nation of Isreal. That plan will still come to fruition.
The Bible is clear that there are only three groups of people, Judah (the Jews), Israel (Gentiles grafted into the olive tree/spiritual Israel) and the dogs (Gentiles out of covenant). We should decide where we fit in 
Not really! There are only TWO groups of people. Those who believe in Christ, and have been saved, and those who do not.
"But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise." Gal. 3:25-29
"For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation." Gal. 6:15
"For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God." Romans 2:28-29
There is NO plan B for the Jews. And that comes from my New Testament prof, who was a traditonal pre-millennialist.
Jesus said land, soil; he was speaking in Israel. The concept of a global earth didn't exist then.
Because it's not about the land. It's about the holy spirit. You act like the promise of the land wasn't fulfilled, or that someone besides Christ has a perpetual right to the land. Christ inherited the promises, so it's his to do with it what he pleases.
Because it's not about the land. It's about the holy spirit. You act like the promise of the land wasn't fulfilled, or that someone besides Christ has a perpetual right to the land. Christ inherited the promises, so it's his to do with it what he pleases.
The problem we as Christians face when reading the Bible is to determine if God will ever break His own law. From my view as a Bible believing child of God I know that He is perfect and will never ever contradict Himself or do what He told us not to do... but then we have a problem because it is clear from the word of God that He divorced Israel
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
but according to His own Torah a first husband cannot re-marry his wife after she received a bill of divorce. Deut 24:4
this woman is bound to her husband until he dies, but if he dies she is released from the marriage Rom 7:2
1Cor7:39 also tells us that the wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives, but if he dies she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes.
Yeshua was clear on His mission, (Matthew 15:24) that He only came for the lost sheep of Israel. We can accept that He was lying or that He understood the Torah and His mission.
He died so that Israel could form part of the bride again.
Ezek37:15-28 tells us that Ephraim (Multitude of nations, "melo hagoyim") and Judah (Jews) will become one
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
but according to His own Torah a first husband cannot re-marry his wife after she received a bill of divorce. Deut 24:4
this woman is bound to her husband until he dies, but if he dies she is released from the marriage Rom 7:2
1Cor7:39 also tells us that the wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives, but if he dies she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes.
Yeshua was clear on His mission, (Matthew 15:24) that He only came for the lost sheep of Israel. We can accept that He was lying or that He understood the Torah and His mission.
He died so that Israel could form part of the bride again.
Ezek37:15-28 tells us that Ephraim (Multitude of nations, "melo hagoyim") and Judah (Jews) will become one
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Hello Valiant,
I say it is Satan, not Jesus, who is presently ruling the world. Look around the world at all the massive sin and apostasy. This is not our King, Jesus Christ's, work but the work of the devil. It is man's evil pride in secular power who presently rules the world; Guys like Hitler, Stalin, Saddam and the like. Jesus can easily do way better at Ruling the world than our present state of affairs.
The Book of Revelation clearly tells us that it is in apocalyptic times, when the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that Jesus takes over as King and Ruler of the world. We have not gone through apocalyptic times yet, so Jesus is clearly not yet King and Ruler over the world. Or can you tell me when you think Revelation took place in the past?
NAB2 REV 11:15
NAB2 MAT 6:9
I say it is Satan, not Jesus, who is presently ruling the world. Look around the world at all the massive sin and apostasy. This is not our King, Jesus Christ's, work but the work of the devil. It is man's evil pride in secular power who presently rules the world; Guys like Hitler, Stalin, Saddam and the like. Jesus can easily do way better at Ruling the world than our present state of affairs.
The Book of Revelation clearly tells us that it is in apocalyptic times, when the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that Jesus takes over as King and Ruler of the world. We have not gone through apocalyptic times yet, so Jesus is clearly not yet King and Ruler over the world. Or can you tell me when you think Revelation took place in the past?
NAB2 REV 11:15
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet. There were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world now belongs to our Lord and to his Anointed, and he will reign forever and ever.”
As of the time of Jesus ascension into heaven, after His death and Resurrection, Jesus makes it clear to His apostles that Israel is not yet restored and He is not yet King.
NAB ACT 1:6
When they had gathered together they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He answered them, “It is not for you to know the times or seasons that the Father has established by his own authority. Butyou will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” When he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him from their sight.
Christ's Kingdom on earth has not yet come. But we keep praying tirelessly for this great event to happen.
NAB2 MAT 6:9
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven.
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NAB REV 19:11 The King of kings.
The heavens were opened, and as I looked on, a white horse appeared; its rider was called "The Faithful and True." Justice is his standard in passing judgment and in waging war. His eyes blazed like fire, and on his head were many diadems. Inscribed on his person was a name known to no one but himself. He wore a cloak that had been dipped in blood, and his name was the Word of God. The armies of heaven were behind him riding white horses and dressed in fine linen, pure and white. Out of his mouth came a sharp sword for striking down the nations. He will shepherd them with an iron rod; it is he who will tread out in the winepress the blazing wrath of God the Almighty. A name was written on the part of the cloak that covered his thigh: "King of kings and Lord of lords."......REV 19:19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and the armies they had mustered to do battle with the One riding the horse, and with his army. The beast was captured along with the false prophet who preformed in its presence the prodigies that led men astray, making them accept the mark of the beast and worship its image. Both were hurled down alive into the fiery pool of burning sulphur. The rest were slain by the sword of the One who rode the horseand all the birds gorged themselves on the flesh of the slain.
NAB2 ISA 11:4 The Rule of Immanuel.
But a shoot shall sprout from the stump of Jesse, and from his roots a bud shall blossom. The spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him: a spirit of wisdom and of understanding, A spirit of counsel and of strength, a spirit of knowledge and of fear of the LORD, and his delight shall be the fear of the LORD. Not by appearance shall he judge, nor by hearsay shall he decide, But he shall judge the poor with justice, and decide aright for the land’s afflicted. He shall strike the ruthless with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked. Justice shall be the band around his waist, and faithfulness a belt upon his hips.
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