Our mortal enemy has deceived the church with many lies!
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I want to add that when I say 'the church as a whole', I'm using Church the way Paul used it here
as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church [q]in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ep+5&version=nasb
as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church [q]in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ep+5&version=nasb
Maintain righteousness
Do we maintain living? In a kind of way, or else we are dead. But you would never use
this language about living so equally about righteousness.
You are cleansed, made Holy in Christ, purified, until you are defiled by sin.
Defilement is an action, that can be shown for what it is. It does not just happen.
So righteousness is not maintained, it is lost by defilement.
But then this is a sub-text or propoganda about what it means to walk with Christ.
How you walk does not matter, because everything is imputed, not yours, in fact you
have no responsibility to your righteousness.
And in there is the non-protestant denial of responsibility for actions, denial of the
need to repent, to own up, to turn from sin, and walk in the ways of the Lord.
But then we are just victims of the sin within, our flesh, which binds us to slavery,
from which we are never free, except when we die and are raised with Christ.
Do you hear the defeat and compromise here? So God through the cross was not
enough for these guys, they are the dredge army of non-overcomers, who just
acknowledge Christ in their lostness, and that is enough. This is not faith, this
is just a sham.
Do we maintain living? In a kind of way, or else we are dead. But you would never use
this language about living so equally about righteousness.
You are cleansed, made Holy in Christ, purified, until you are defiled by sin.
Defilement is an action, that can be shown for what it is. It does not just happen.
So righteousness is not maintained, it is lost by defilement.
But then this is a sub-text or propoganda about what it means to walk with Christ.
How you walk does not matter, because everything is imputed, not yours, in fact you
have no responsibility to your righteousness.
And in there is the non-protestant denial of responsibility for actions, denial of the
need to repent, to own up, to turn from sin, and walk in the ways of the Lord.
But then we are just victims of the sin within, our flesh, which binds us to slavery,
from which we are never free, except when we die and are raised with Christ.
Do you hear the defeat and compromise here? So God through the cross was not
enough for these guys, they are the dredge army of non-overcomers, who just
acknowledge Christ in their lostness, and that is enough. This is not faith, this
is just a sham.
Christians do not lose righteousness because of defilement. This is where religion has perverted the gospel of the grace of Christ. It is Christ's righteousness. We do not "maintain" righteousness. We have the fruit of righteousness which stems from the life of Christ which is in our new hearts that are created in righteousness and holiness. Eph 4:24
There are tons of scriptures that show that Christians have Christ's righteousness now - not based on behavior but by grace through faith alone.
This is where the works-based salvationists miss it entirely. They think they can obtain and maintain their righteousness but in fact it is Christ's righteousness. His righteousness is never being defiled. The righteous live by faith. Faith in what Christ has already done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
This idea that Christians lose righteousness because of defilement is what is keeping the church in bondage to sin and keeps us in a never ending cycle of trying to improve the flesh but real transformation only comes from the Holy Spirit as we behold Christ as in a mirror. 2 Cor 3:17-18
Yes...Pharisees and the D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindsets can lose "their" righteousness which is based on what they do but the Christian never loses Christ's righteousness because it is based on what He has already done. It is a gift. Romans 5:17
Let's preach the gospel of the grace of Christ as Paul taught and walk free of sin and awake to righteousness and sin not.
There are tons of scriptures that show that Christians have Christ's righteousness now - not based on behavior but by grace through faith alone.
This is where the works-based salvationists miss it entirely. They think they can obtain and maintain their righteousness but in fact it is Christ's righteousness. His righteousness is never being defiled. The righteous live by faith. Faith in what Christ has already done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
This idea that Christians lose righteousness because of defilement is what is keeping the church in bondage to sin and keeps us in a never ending cycle of trying to improve the flesh but real transformation only comes from the Holy Spirit as we behold Christ as in a mirror. 2 Cor 3:17-18
Yes...Pharisees and the D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindsets can lose "their" righteousness which is based on what they do but the Christian never loses Christ's righteousness because it is based on what He has already done. It is a gift. Romans 5:17
Let's preach the gospel of the grace of Christ as Paul taught and walk free of sin and awake to righteousness and sin not.
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Here we have a new faith expressing its point of view.
Jesus taught clearly it is the sins of the heart that we bring out in words and deeds
that defile us.
What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.
Matt 15:11
But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.
Matt 15:18
Jesus was addressing the idea that eating with unclean hands defiled you
from being righteous.
He did not contradict the desire to be righteous but rather what actually
defiled the believer.
Now this shows the heresy of this new faith, which wants to say righteousness
is impossible, so how can a defiled person be defiled more because they are not
righteous in the first place, it is only imputed or adopted righteousness.
Jesus taught clearly it is the sins of the heart that we bring out in words and deeds
that defile us.
What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.
Matt 15:11
But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.
Matt 15:18
Jesus was addressing the idea that eating with unclean hands defiled you
from being righteous.
He did not contradict the desire to be righteous but rather what actually
defiled the believer.
Now this shows the heresy of this new faith, which wants to say righteousness
is impossible, so how can a defiled person be defiled more because they are not
righteous in the first place, it is only imputed or adopted righteousness.
This makes me laugh in real ridicule. These believers confess constantly they are
never free from sin, daily. So this language appears to be we are free from sin, but
actually what they are saying is no-one is ever free from sin, it is just imputed freedom.
It is like walking down the street in ripped clothes and saying if you put on these
imaginary glasses I am beautifully dressed in real victory over sin and death.
Nope you are deluded.
never free from sin, daily. So this language appears to be we are free from sin, but
actually what they are saying is no-one is ever free from sin, it is just imputed freedom.
It is like walking down the street in ripped clothes and saying if you put on these
imaginary glasses I am beautifully dressed in real victory over sin and death.
Nope you are deluded.
Here's the good new of the gospel of the grace of Christ - He has cleaned us from the inside by His own blood and now for those in Christ we have a new heart created in righteousness and holiness.
As far as righteousness for those in Christ goes - here is what the scriptures say. I know this conflicts with some people's religious beliefs - especially those of us that have been taught that we lose "our" righteousness. Christ's righteousness can never be lost or defiled.
Looks like it is time for "scripture" again in the area of righteousness. Why do people fight so much against the work of Christ and instead live by their own humanistic thoughts? Why don't we believe in Christ? Why are we continually denying Him?
I can give you out what the scriptures say about righteousness and believers that are "in Christ" now. Everyone can believe what they want too.
The understanding of the new creation in Christ and the new identity of the believer is paramount to living the true Christian life.
Here it says our spirit ( the inner person that is a new creation in Christ ) is alive because of righteousness that it is it.
Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin,yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Here righteousness is a gift - you don't earn it.
Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
We have grace reigning in our lives because of righteousness in us.
Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21[/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Here righteousness comes by faith.
Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Here when we believe - we are righteousness.
Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
We are in the kingdom of God.
Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Here it says that God made us righteousness in Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
This says we have become the righteousness of Christ ( this is called a dependent clause in the greek - it is determined as fulfilled because Christ became sin )
2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Believers are called righteousness.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Here it is saying that "righteousness comes by Christ".
Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
Here we have the breastplate of righteousness - which is the armor of God that we are to be strong in.
Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
This talks about the new man in Christ - the new creation.
Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....
As far as righteousness for those in Christ goes - here is what the scriptures say. I know this conflicts with some people's religious beliefs - especially those of us that have been taught that we lose "our" righteousness. Christ's righteousness can never be lost or defiled.
Looks like it is time for "scripture" again in the area of righteousness. Why do people fight so much against the work of Christ and instead live by their own humanistic thoughts? Why don't we believe in Christ? Why are we continually denying Him?
I can give you out what the scriptures say about righteousness and believers that are "in Christ" now. Everyone can believe what they want too.
The understanding of the new creation in Christ and the new identity of the believer is paramount to living the true Christian life.
Here it says our spirit ( the inner person that is a new creation in Christ ) is alive because of righteousness that it is it.
Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin,yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Here righteousness is a gift - you don't earn it.
Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
We have grace reigning in our lives because of righteousness in us.
Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21[/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Here righteousness comes by faith.
Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Here when we believe - we are righteousness.
Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
We are in the kingdom of God.
Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Here it says that God made us righteousness in Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
This says we have become the righteousness of Christ ( this is called a dependent clause in the greek - it is determined as fulfilled because Christ became sin )
2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Believers are called righteousness.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Here it is saying that "righteousness comes by Christ".
Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
Here we have the breastplate of righteousness - which is the armor of God that we are to be strong in.
Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
This talks about the new man in Christ - the new creation.
Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....
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This righteousness which is Christ's given as a "gift" to us that believe in Christ was foretold in the OT in many places. Here are a few.
We that are in Christ have the Lord's righteousness now in our inner man that is in Christ.
Isaiah 45:24-25 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "In the LORD all the offspring of Israel Will be justified and will glory."
Here is one more from the OT - Isaiah 54: 17 of the Lord telling what the believer would have because of what Christ did in Isaiah 53 when He died on the cross to take away our sin and make us righteous in Him.
Isaiah 54:17
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me," declares the LORD.
Folks we have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ!
Ephesians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,
It's time to start believing the gospel of the grace of Christ so that we can walk out who we really are in Him now and God can be glorified in our lives.
We that are in Christ have the Lord's righteousness now in our inner man that is in Christ.
Isaiah 45:24-25 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "In the LORD all the offspring of Israel Will be justified and will glory."
Here is one more from the OT - Isaiah 54: 17 of the Lord telling what the believer would have because of what Christ did in Isaiah 53 when He died on the cross to take away our sin and make us righteous in Him.
Isaiah 54:17
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me," declares the LORD.
Folks we have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ!
Ephesians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,
It's time to start believing the gospel of the grace of Christ so that we can walk out who we really are in Him now and God can be glorified in our lives.
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You are wrong my friend.
WHat is deluted is a man saying he is cleaned and pure/holy, When in reality he is filthy/dark sinner.
A man who confesses it is only in Christ he can be set free and cleaned by the blood of the son, is clean,
A man who confesses all his good deeds, How righteous he is, and how better he is then all the sinners, Is deluded, for he is the filthy dark sinner..
Some people should study the pharisees closely, Take their jewish concept out. and just study why they did things, wand what they taught, many would find they are just like them.. And would stone a true believer as they stoned Stephen.
All we can pray for. Is like Saul (who was there and probably participated in the stoning and murder of Gods child) any pne can repent and be freed..
WHat is deluted is a man saying he is cleaned and pure/holy, When in reality he is filthy/dark sinner.
A man who confesses it is only in Christ he can be set free and cleaned by the blood of the son, is clean,
A man who confesses all his good deeds, How righteous he is, and how better he is then all the sinners, Is deluded, for he is the filthy dark sinner..
Some people should study the pharisees closely, Take their jewish concept out. and just study why they did things, wand what they taught, many would find they are just like them.. And would stone a true believer as they stoned Stephen.
All we can pray for. Is like Saul (who was there and probably participated in the stoning and murder of Gods child) any pne can repent and be freed..
It is heartening to see that you have some spiritual wisdom goin' on!
God has been speaking to many Spirit-filled believers lately about
the disastrous condition of the shepherds of His precious sheep.
And they are in for a heap of trouble!
I'm referring to the shepherds, but that means the sheep also!
But, since most here don't believe that God speaks to His people,
especially His prophets and watchmen ... y'all iz in a great heap of trouble!
Sorry to make a joke out of it ...
but sometimes I cry about this, and sometimes I laugh.
P.S. God laughs at unbelief.
God has been speaking to many Spirit-filled believers lately about
the disastrous condition of the shepherds of His precious sheep.
And they are in for a heap of trouble!
I'm referring to the shepherds, but that means the sheep also!
But, since most here don't believe that God speaks to His people,
especially His prophets and watchmen ... y'all iz in a great heap of trouble!
Sorry to make a joke out of it ...
but sometimes I cry about this, and sometimes I laugh.
P.S. God laughs at unbelief.
L
You are so right Joidevivre!! We can always trust in His ability to do everything decently and in order in our lives apart from confusion. And we can also have things done decently and in order here on CC even if it is only in our own proper responses to the negative and confusing posts that may be hurtled our way.
There is calming freedom in Christ when we allow Him to be our defense. The need to strike back will be something we become less and less interested in in our lives. We don't want to be open to the enemy's lies so learning to walk in the love of Christ has power. It allows us to say no to our flesh and yes to Jesus. The reward is peace will reign in our hearts despite the outside turmoil we no longer have to be a part of.
The only real power the enemy has is the lies he tells that cause us humans to make stupid choices in life. All he has to do is find a person's pet peeve or a persons hurts and weaknesses., then he proceeds to needle in that spot using others to trigger a response. Before you know it there is "dissension between the two viewpoints" As you said sis, it's done here all the time.
Maybe "getting a clue" is the word for today.
There is a multitude of NT verses which teach the red bold above!
The believer who maintains his righteousness is proving that he has real genuine saving faith.
Which is to say: There are many tares running around holding hands with God's sheep.
This is all similar to James saying: without works your faith is dead, works prove genuine faith, etc.
The believer who maintains his righteousness is proving that he has real genuine saving faith.
Which is to say: There are many tares running around holding hands with God's sheep.
This is all similar to James saying: without works your faith is dead, works prove genuine faith, etc.
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proving to who? God. Since when does God need proof? God does not know if your faith is real or not? If this is true, WHo is God that he is weak.
Prove to who. others? Do they have any say on whether you or I are saved or not? And I am sorry, But so many people have acted on way around others, but have a private life. So you can act as a christian all you want, It does not make you one. So this "proof" is really no proof at all.
Prove to who? You? If you need proof. Then is your faith in God, or is your faith i how well you perform? If your faiht is in God. You do not need proof. You actions will resemble what your faith is in, and you should be worried about serving others, not how good you are, and worrying if you are saved or not.
so sorry, You keep preaching against the lie of satan, Yet you appear to have fallen for satans greatest lie hook line and sinker..
Prove to who. others? Do they have any say on whether you or I are saved or not? And I am sorry, But so many people have acted on way around others, but have a private life. So you can act as a christian all you want, It does not make you one. So this "proof" is really no proof at all.
Prove to who? You? If you need proof. Then is your faith in God, or is your faith i how well you perform? If your faiht is in God. You do not need proof. You actions will resemble what your faith is in, and you should be worried about serving others, not how good you are, and worrying if you are saved or not.
so sorry, You keep preaching against the lie of satan, Yet you appear to have fallen for satans greatest lie hook line and sinker..