Parables

[bikerchaz]

My heart is a little sad reading this brother. You state that loving Jesus is what saves us. I'm sorry but I cannot agree with this. JESUS is the one who saves, NOT our love for Him. That is a byproduct of Him saving us and loving us first.

Consider this brother. In order to believe you can lose your salvation, that means you have to have had it 1st.

So we're saved, filled with the Holy Spirit, backside in sin, the Holy Spirit leaves us, we repent, then He refills us? Then we try and work so He doesn't leave us again?

Please pray on that. We will miss you if you leave. I for one love you and have nothing but good wishes for you. Peace, Grace, and Love to you, in Jesus sweet Name!

That is a byproduct of Him saving us and loving us first

. Yes it is, in the relationship we have with Jesus, it was his love for us while we were yet sinners that bought about our salvation. He paid the ultimate price on the cross for us and through the Holy Spirit I can now say Jesus first and last. Do I really have to go through every event each time we communicate? it would take pages.

So we're saved, filled with the Holy Spirit, backside in sin, the Holy Spirit leaves us, we repent, then He refills us? Then we try and work so He doesn't leave us again?

Here you put words and actions that I have NOT said. I was with you until the

Holy Spirit leaves us

, although there are enough scriptural references over all to equate this, we can quell the Holy Spirit Paul talks of such, and David talks of such as well. But how can we come to repentance without the Spirit of God, that surly would be a 'work', its this last bit that shows me you do not understand;

Then we try and work so He doesn't leave us again?

Where did that come from? I said no such thing. I love you as well.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me", my last words are Nothing else matters except Jesus

 

[bikerchaz]

Grace777 , I would love to hear from you instead of your surmising others thoughts or copy and pasting. I use no other than the word.

I can not hold that nothing I do will separate me from God, I am the only thing that will, nothing else. These words are divisive and those looking for a quick way out will use them to put no effort in. Now 'WORKS' I hear you shout, NO NO NO I say, Seek the lord your God with all your heart might mind and strength. If that is not effort or if you class that as works that is your prerogative. It is the cost.

 

[Grace777x70]

Grace777 , I would love to hear from you instead of your surmising others thoughts or copy and pasting. I use no other than the word.

I can not hold that nothing I do will separate me from God, I am the only thing that will, nothing else. These words are divisive and those looking for a quick way out will use them to put no effort in. Now 'WORKS' I hear you shout, NO NO NO I say, Seek the lord your God with all your heart might mind and strength. If that is not effort or if you class that as works that is your prerogative. It is the cost.

All I am doing is giving out other view points of the parables. If this offends you - well, you will just have to be offended because it has nothing to do with you and you shouldn't take it as if it is against you. That is not healthy for you or others. I also happen to agree with most points on the articles too which is why I post them if I think they may be useful.


Jesus Himself has set teachers in the church to help us all to grow up in the Lord. It behooves us to listen to them and to be dependent on the Holy Spirit within us to reveal the truths of Christ to us.


Sometimes when listening to teachings we need to spit put the sticks and just chew on the hay and depending on our age in Christ - we can eat more hay or it is more easily digestible to us....

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I didn't get that he was offended by you in any way...

 

[Grace777x70]

I didn't get that he was offended by you in any way...

He seemed to be offended by the teachings of the parables because of his response here below in brown.

He has a view that people lose salvation because of what they do and so maybe the teachings on these parables violated his views? - and he is entitled to believe that people can lose salvation.

His post was directed towards me and not the teaching itself so that's why it looks like he was offended by what I posted. And being offended does happen to all of us.

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Grace777 , I would love to hear from you instead of your surmising others thoughts or copy and pasting. I use no other than the word.


I can not hold that nothing I do will separate me from God, I am the only thing that will, nothing else. These words are divisive and those looking for a quick way out will use them to put no effort in. Now 'WORKS' I hear you shout, NO NO NO I say, Seek the lord your God with all your heart might mind and strength. If that is not effort or if you class that as works that is your prerogative. It is the cost

 

[BeyondET]

If our sins are forgiven upon faith in Christ, how does a person apply forgiveness towards another person who has or is sinning.

 

[bikerchaz]

I am not offended Grace777, honestly.

When I stood on the main road in my home town in 1998 looking for a lorry to walk under, everything I was was on my sleeve. My childhood with very strict religious parents, my hurt through my dad wanting someone else's children above his own. My own rebellion because there was no 'life' in the Christendom I knew. The fact that my daughter who was 10 would be better off without a father who would use any substance to remove his mind from reality. And lastly a deep deep sense of loss that if Jesus really did exists then if I could not meet and be with Him in total reality and all there was was blackness then blackness there would be.

I put my foot out and leaned in to walk. A voice inside me said to me concerning my daughter. "If you do this, you will have to answer for what this will do to her". It stopped me in my tracks and the lorry rumbled past. I spent three days in total breakdown, my daughter sent herself to school and fed herself, my dealer was constantly knocking and leaving stuff and then a "biker chick" from Scotland appeared.

She took me through who Jesus really was and who the Holy Spirit was and I prayed to receive Him. We listened to an AOG tape she had bought with her and Jesus turned up in person, not in the flesh but in person. Like a down load for a PC he re-wrote my heart and input himself into me. All the stuff I had learned from my youth upwards was put into place with the T's crossed and the i's dotted.

Between you and me (plus everyone here reading this), I don't think I could loose my inheritance, my love for my saviour is just too strong and to be in his presence is what drives me, the "Zeal for the house of my God, consumes me". Satan is always on my shoulder. I know how Lott felt with his mind being bombarded by the filth of Sodom. It would not take much for me to loose my salvation. I do not try hard to keep it LOL that makes a mockery of the sacrifice Jesus paid for my salvation, if anything, trying hard to keep it would certainly loose it.

I trust in Jesus finished work there is nothing else. We do have a disagreement. The only thing I know that will put us both on the same page is if you meet with Jesus and let Him fill you with His love.

I do remember the conversations we have had, I remember feeling sad at your statment that you can not feel 'love ' and do not understand what that means.

Jesus created all for the Fathers glory. Nothing exists except to bring glory to God. Only the enemy messes with His creation and turns what is good into what is bad or non functional. Search for the risen Lord with all your heart, I would suggest you don't eat or drink or anything because without knowing Him, like you know your relatives or better that your best friend this existence we have in this body of flesh we share is not worth a poop in a bucket.

Find Love my friend. Let Jesus fill you with His love and it will overflow to fill the world.

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I will answer BeyondET here as well, Applying forgiveness for those sinning is done in Jesus name, more though we are told to forgive those who sin against us so we may be forgiven, does not scripture say 'with the forgiveness we forgive others we shall ourselves be forgiven'. Jesus words (called sermon on the mount) say to bless our enemies and love those who do not love you.

Paul talks about seeing someone sinning unto death and that we should try and do something about it and in doing so we save their soul from death. We do not have to forgive them unless they have done something to us or those we love or unless the Spirit guides us that way.

From my past My first wife was attacked and drugged and raped and beaten. She never recovered and four years later she died. Her death certificate says Anorexia Nervosa. Like I said she never recovered and it was my fault, the beating was meant for me but I was not there so she had it, all because of my involvement in drugs.

I have come to a place where I really can can forgive those involved, yes. trust them no but forgive them and move on yes. I also had to forgive myself, and her for dying and leaving me alone. Only the Love of Jesus has stopped me from committing murder and taking revenge, Hallelujah !! I now have a new life, free from turmoil and doubt and most of all from guilt and paranoia.

If we forgive we will be forgiven, if we judge we will be judged with the same.
God bless.

 

[Grace777x70]

bikerchaz - I thank God for what He has done in your life and all the great things He as for you and your family. Things you cannot conceive of now as none of us can really see His grace and love towards us as we will one day.

I don't know what you are talking about here in this statement below in brown. I have no memory of saying that I don't know what love feels like nor that I understand what it means. Perhaps you mis-understood what I was saying at the time? I do know that it is impossible on this side of heaven to fully comprehend the love of God as Paul talks about.

Let me know the context of what I said so that I can see what you are talking about. Here is your quote below. Bless you!


"I do remember the conversations we have had, I remember feeling sad at your statment that you can not feel 'love ' and do not understand what that means."

 

[PeterJens]

bikerchaz - I thank God for what He has done in your life and all the great things He as for you and your family. Things you cannot conceive of now as none of us can really see His grace and love towards us as we will one day.

I don't know what you are talking about here in this statement below in brown. I have no memory of saying that I don't know what love feels like nor that I understand what it means. Perhaps you mis-understood what I was saying at the time? I do know that it is impossible on this side of heaven to fully comprehend the love of God as Paul talks about.

Let me know the context of what I said so that I can see what you are talking about. Here is your quote below. Bless you!

"I do remember the conversations we have had, I remember feeling sad at your statment that you can not feel 'love ' and do not understand what that means."

Grace777 - Do you feel love? Whether you wrote it or not is not a criticism, you have not answered
the question.

I loved as a kid, but my parents were very shy and hidden, they did not quite know how to show
love. My granny showed love, and she was why I felt the love of God. When she died, it was
like love left my life a bit.

So Grace777, do you feel love?

 

[PeterJens]

Seems like grace777 does not want to answer the question that was raised by himself.

I have heard of people who know how to behave to manipulate others into certain responses
but they themselves are not involved other than to maniputate them. The fact that some
people manage to return to extremely hurtful themes and accusations, which if one was not
prepared, would be truly upsetting, they have to be as hard as nails.

And even when told exactly what they are doing and how wrong and miss-guided it is they
continue because inside themselves there is someone who is not touched by this at all.

It is what is called a hard heart and not a heart of flesh. It is the opposite of what Christ
intended or desires in any of His followers.

 

[PeterJens]

Social dislocation

Is it possible to be ever so nice to everyone but never to actually connect, to create
a formula of faith, that demands nothing but delivers everything, that demands no obligations
eliminates any negativity and is all happiness and light? HG is probably it.

Beneath the surface anything could be going on, adultery, anger, hatred, envy, jealousy, gluttony,
greed, selfish ambition, lying, theft. It is never talked about or condemned, it is between God and
the believer, and no relationships are encouraged, they will just happen as God intends, just vast
meetings with a nameless throng and assume somewhere people know some reality, maybe.
And that is church as God intended. No, never.

 

[Grace777x70]

Unfortunately I have had to take my own advice and for some people that have not shown any repentance in their behavior towards fellow believers despite many attempts in the past to get them to stop - I have had to employ Romans 16:17 and not interact with them until there has been repentance.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

[laura_charlotte]

I have had to take my own advice and for some people that have not shown any repentance in their behavior towards fellow believers despite many attempts in the past to get them to stop

Another brilliant Gracism.

 

[garee]

If our sins are forgiven upon faith in Christ, how does a person apply forgiveness towards another person who has or is sinning.

Our sins are forgiven upon one faith not after the the imaginations of our own heart but a faith coming from Christ as His work of faith as a labor of His love that works in us so that we can believe God.

Without His faith imputed to us no man can believe God. He must do the first works in us giving us ears to hear His Spirit before we can have faith towards or in Him..as our amen.... acknowledging we have heard His voice..

We cannot have faith in or towards Christ unless Christ first gives us his faith coming from Christ, of Christ. He is the anointing Holy Spirit of God..

It is His Spirit that gives us ears to hear by the hearing of His faith that we first believed God as the same spirit of faith that will finish the work in the end of the matter.

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal 3:2

The Holy Spirit,Christ..... is our confidence, we therefore take no confidence in our own flesh.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[garee]

Social dislocation

Is it possible to be ever so nice to everyone but never to actually connect, to create
a formula of faith, that demands nothing but delivers everything, that demands no obligations
eliminates any negativity and is all happiness and light? HG is probably it.

Beneath the surface anything could be going on, adultery, anger, hatred, envy, jealousy, gluttony,
greed, selfish ambition, lying, theft. It is never talked about or condemned, it is between God and
the believer, and no relationships are encouraged, they will just happen as God intends, just vast
meetings with a nameless throng and assume somewhere people know some reality, maybe.
And that is church as God intended. No, never.

His formula of faith as the wisdom of God in respect to the things of God or our our formula as the wisdom of men as that of men?

If the faith of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God is working in us to both will and do His good pleasure, it will not return empty . It can do its work as he increases in us to decrease adultery, anger, hatred, envy, jealousy, gluttony greed, selfish ambition, lying, theft, as its goal.

Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your "soul" shall live; and I will make an "everlasting" covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.Isa 55:2


I Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth": it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.sa 55:6-11

 

[royalscot]

If the Spirit of God truly lives within us then we know he inspires but does not control, he guides but dose not compel. The want has to be from us. The Phrase many are called but few are chosen is no idle lie (not that you have said it was), but we do have to choose to be chosen, we do have to pick up our cross daily, we have to forgive to be forgiven. The prodigal (should he have been a real person), I am sure would have had pangs of guilt. He would have wrestled with going home and the reception he would recieve. He could eat the husks he was feeding the pigs with, he probably did, but they did not satisfy. yes this could have been where the Spirit could have led him, but in the end it was his choice.

We also have this choice. My one and only fear about this is what goes around it. To say no one can loose their salvation is not a scriptural phrase, it is what has been surmised through human understanding. The passages I bring up to refute this are throughout scripture.

Those who go along with this hide what they surmise with because they say that 'anything that Jesus said before his resurrection has passed and is no longer relevant to the church age. John146 #11 posted this; which grace777 put a like on so he understood what this means, may be you do to? I felt an uneasiness within my Spirit last night and woke this morning knowing this;
Who can say and with what authority that what Jesus said throughout his life and ministry is now void because it was before His resurrection?

This puts a blanket over everything that these people do not want to hear. it caters for itching ears that only want to hear things so they can feel good. it does not cater for the Spirit to convict of sin and for repentance, "Forgive me as I forgive those who sin against me". For this to be in built into our lives then becomes works for salvation, because they do not want to hear the truth they just want to feel good.

I have seen your posts and do feel that you have some understanding. I do believe nothing in all creation can separate me from Gods love, but what about me?. Why would Jesus Himself talk about putting ones hand to the plough and the consequences of turning away? but if His words do not matter then what is there to talk about just go and feel good about yourself.

I do not know you personally neither do you know me, but I am trying to show love because I do not want anyone to not understand the means by which the enemy enters into the church,

Entering the fold is another thing, if by what I have said makes anyone uncomfortable I am not sorry, these words are not mine they are from scripture, My words make me uncomfortable so I go to Jesus.

I started this op with copy and paste from another thread, look at that one. This thread takes some reading through now because two or three went on a rampage of talking about stuff that this op was not about. This too is an attack from the enemy. It diverts from the subject matter and anyone reading from the start wonders what is going on.

I am not going to be on here long, and it is because I can't do this any more. A discussion forum this is not. A bash your opposition over the head with so much wrong interpretation of scripture until the waters become so muddy you can't see for the mire it is.

Jesus voice does ring clear sometimes, else-wise it is a cacophony of sound like white noise, sent to confuse and misdirect. Do not get caught up in it brother.

There is only one thing that saves, love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and strength, seek the relationship with Jesus that Adam had with God in the garden before the fall, where they talked together, one on one. We do have this, it is not a psychosis. If god has called you then chose to be chosen, nothing else matters except Jesus.

interpretation is your problem,
there is now ,no condemnation. if you claim to read scripture, then why are you , following a religions stance, in many things you say.

these are some quotes, to you. about having faith in a god through jesus. and some of the things that he already done for you.
to him that has an ear let him listen etc

This puts a blanket over everything that these people do not want to hear. it caters for itching ears that only want to hear things so they can feel good. it does not cater for the Spirit to convict of sin and for repentance,(your quote)
gal 5 v1-4

rom 5 Death in Adam, Life in Christ 12 - 21.

Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.Romans 8: Life in the Spirit

death never came though a law

22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever---"Genesis 3: The Fall

I have seen your posts and do feel that you have some understanding. I do believe nothing in all creation can separate me from Gods love, but what about me?. Why would Jesus Himself talk about putting ones hand to the plough and the consequences of turning away? but if His words do not matter then what is there to talk about just go and feel good about yourself.(your quote)

gal 5 v1-11

11 But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed.12 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!



and paul was at acts 15.


god bless you.

 

[royalscot]

to keep it simple, if you cannot protect your faith with your own interpretation of the bible.

then this is a warning to you.

10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. John 10

god bless you.