Parables

[Ariel82]

Do you not read on a daily basis? have you not read the voyages of Paul as he went round? No I am not going to give you chapter and verse, do your homework and look and read. Read Acts and see where paul went, see where he stayed for weeks or years, sometimes even only days.

If those who profess to follow Christ do not know, I am not going to tell. Trim your own wick and supply your own oil, you will have none of mine or I might not have enough.

Another parable we probably don't agree on the interpertaion of.....what is the lamp? What is the oil?....why were 5 brides not ready?

 

[Ariel82]

Now your getting it, so where is the problem here? You agreed with me.

Do we have to separate between salvation and sanctification? or even make a distinction? With Jesus leading do we not have both? would walking through and by the Spirit of God not be part of what a relationship with Jesus and his leading in our lives mean?

Yes we have to distinguish between the milk and the meat.

Feed babes meat too soon and they choke and die.

Salvation is the milk.

Discernment through walking with the Holy Spirit that leads to godly lives or present sanctification is the meat.

First people must I know they are saved by Christ atoning work alone...faith only in the correct gospel foundation. Our corner stone. When they understand their foundation for adoption...then they can move on towards meat.

 

[Grace777x70]

It comes to something when to detract from my op you start to make fun. Have I ever made fun of your posts? coming to a point where a discussion on loosing ones salvation through the words of the Son of God is no laughing matter. I asked for a serious discussion, and so far all I have been faced with is a lack of biblical knowledge because you all listen to others and not Jesus, no one has quoted a rebuff. I will from now on say what the bible says and what Jesus says, without chapter and verse because I know they are there. Go and look for yourself. Instead of watching videos and reading books about the bible read the bible.

To have the letter and not the spirit is not good. Do you Grace777 remember every word you read? when asked about something, would you quote verbatim or would you give an interpretation? An interpretation would suffice if all parties knew the source, but you make fun.

Brother...you seem to have missed what was happening. I was simply looking for the parable about the "unfaithful" servant and did a search and couldn't find it. I thought maybe I spelled "unfaithful" incorrectly.

This has nothing to do with your OP nor an attempt to malign it. I was looking for the scripture so that I could read it and then answer your OP if I felt led. I was making fun out of myself and my sometimes in-ability to speel ( see, it happened again..that time I did it on purpose.. )

You are "reading things" into a lot and thus creating things that do not really exist.

 

[Ariel82]

The problem is the OP has written his own parables instead of studying Jesus...

Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version (ESV)

The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

 

[Ariel82]

So the key question is: what are the talents?

 

[Miri]

This is a thread I made a while back about the unjust steward, don't know
if any of this might be useful.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/112739-parable-unjust-steward.html




Luke 16:1-17 AMP
[1] ALSO Jesus said to the disciples, There was a certain rich man who had a manager
of his estate, and accusations
against this man were brought to him, that he was squandering his master's possessions.
[2] And he called him and said to him, What is this that I hear about you? Turn in the
account of your management of my affairs, for you can be my manager no longer.

[3] And the manager of the estate said to himself, What shall I do, seeing that my
master is taking the management away from me? I am not able to dig, and I am
ashamed to beg. [4] I have come to know what I will do, so that they
my master's debtors may accept and welcome me into their houses when
I am put out of the management.

[5] So he summoned his master's debtors one by one, and he said to the first,
How much do you owe my master? [6] He said, A hundred measures about 900
gallons of oil. And he said to him, Take back your written acknowledgement
of obligation, and sit down quickly and write fifty about 450 gallons.

[7] After that he said to another, And how much do you owe? He said, A hundred
measures about 900 bushels of wheat. He said to him, Take back your written
acknowledgement of obligation, and write eighty about 700 bushels. [8] And his
master praised the dishonest (unjust) manager for acting shrewdly and prudently;
for the sons of this age are shrewder and more prudent and wiser in relation to
their own generation to their own age and kind than are the sons of light.

[9] And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous mammon
(deceitful riches, money, possessions), so that when it fails, they those you have
favored may receive and welcome you into the everlasting habitations (dwellings).
[10] He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much, and he who is
dishonest and unjust in a very little thing is dishonest and unjust also in much.

[11] Therefore if you have not been faithful in the case of unrighteous mammon
(deceitful riches, money, possessions), who will entrust to you the true riches?
[12] And if you have not proved faithful in that which belongs to another whether
God or man, who will give you that which is your own that is, the true riches?

[13] No servant is able to serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love
the other, or he will stand by and be devoted to the one and despise the other. You
cannot serve God and mammon (riches, or anything in which you trust and
on which you rely). [14] Now the Pharisees, who were covetous and lovers of money,
heard all these things taken together, and they began to sneer at and ridicule and
scoff at Him.

[15] But He said to them, You are the ones who declare yourselves just and upright
before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted and highly thought of
among men is detestable and abhorrent (an abomination) in the sight of God.
I Sam. 16:7; Prov. 21:2. [16] Until John came, there were the Law and the Prophets;
since then the good news (the Gospel) of the kingdom of God is being preached, and
everyone strives violently to go in would force his own way rather than God's way into
it. [17] Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law
to fail and become void.


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I inadvertently went off topic in another thread, but I have been thinking about
the above parable since. So I thought I would post my original response and continue with it.

All other contributions and and insights on this are gratefully accepted.

I don't think the servant here was being commended for being deceitful, but for his
shrewdness, it was a way of saying that even the world knows how to be shrewd and so
should we.

Verse 11-12 me paraphrasing, if you are deceitful with worldly goods, gifts, money etc
how can you be trustedwith that which belongs to God.

The rest of the passage goes on with the story of the rich man and Lazarus with the rich
man having received his reward on earth while Lazarus getting his reward in heaven.

I believe the above was a parable about using talents, money, skills and being faithful
but without compromise for the service of the master - Jesus. The world knows how
to do this for its own ends, but what about ourselves.

Then there is the other part about not allowing money to be the master, you will serve
one or the other.

The Pharisees who heard this seemed to know exactly what he was talking about and
took it personally. Who was their master? It does not appear to have been God, they
were very shrewd in their worldly dealings, but took it as a personal attack on themselves,
even though the parable was actually addressed to the disciples. Guilty conscious perhaps
on their part?

It does seem the case that the world gets away with murder and twists and manipulates
at every opportunity, but this life is temporary and maybe we need to be heavenly
minded while here on earth and use our money talents etc in the service of the master.

I have been thinking about this, if you have your own business then you will put a
lot of time and effort into making it successful and want the best for it. Maybe we
need to think more about the business of Jesus and treat it in the same way.

I have often heard it said that as human beings we invest a lot into what matters
to us, time, energy, money etc.I wonder what percentage of that is invested
in the Kingdom of God, I would add that I am also speaking to myself here


The passages about being a servant to God or money are also interesting. First
impressions are that only rich people, bankers, investors celebs etc are servants
to money, but the more I have thought about it,the more I think this could possibly
apply to us all whether rich or poor.

Most of what we do is because we are a servant to money in some way, we all strive
to keep a roof over our heads, food on the table, pay the bills, families looked after
etc. and that is perfectably normal and part of life.

What I have been wondering though is if it is truly possible to rely on God for
all our needs with so much faith that the day to day worries of daily supporting
ourselves are taken out of the equation, then maybe we could truly say
we are no longer servants to money and instead we would be free to serve God
and rely on him.

I am not referring to the prosperity gospel here at all, I don't think as Christians
we are called to be rich, in fact I believe we are called to use what we have for
Gods service, which can often mean giving it away! In fact there has been times
when unexpected money has come my way but then so has an apparent need of another
and it has then become obvious what the money was for!

I suppose what I am wondering about is, if it is possible to get to a position where
we truly can rely on Christ to meet all our needs without worrying about money, or
the lack of it being at the forefront of everything.

I know I have experienced this to a certain degree, with God's provision coming
at the most needy times, yet still I find myself fretting about being a good
employee in case I should lose my job with the financial repercussions
of that, fretting about where I might live in the future, going around the house
and turning the radiators down to reduce the bills etc.

Is it possible to throw off the burdens of life to such a degree that we are
no longer slaves to anything including money and to fully take up the yoke of Jesus
and really use what we have in the service of God.


Matthew 11:28-30 AMP
[28] Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy-laden and overburdened, and
I will cause you to rest. I will ease and relieve and refresh your souls. [29] Take
My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am gentle (meek) and humble (lowly)
in heart, and you will find rest (relief and ease and refreshment and recreation
and blessed quiet) for your souls. [30] For My yoke is wholesome (useful, good--not
harsh, hard, sharp, or pressing, but comfortable, gracious, and pleasant), and
My burden is light and easy to be borne.


I was reminded of Hudson Taylor missionary to China as I got to the end of this,
so I have posted a link here to his biography if anyone is interested. It is a bit long
but a great read. Possibly this answers all my questions!


Hudson Taylor Life and Ministry - Missionary Biographies - Worldwide Missions


Oh gosh I'm rambling now and it's getting late . I will leave it there for any thoughts
you may have.Maybe I have rambled so much that none of you have a clue what I am
talking about! But then I am a woman, we are allowed to ramble on a bit - that's a new
rule from now on.

 

[Ariel82]

Luke 16 (NASB)

The Unrighteous Steward

1 Now He was also saying to the disciples, “There was a rich man who had a manager, and this manager was reported to him as squandering his possessions. 2 And he called him and said to him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an accounting of your management, for you can no longer be manager.’

3 The manager said to himself, ‘What shall I do, since my master is taking the management away from me? I am not strong enough to dig; I am ashamed to beg. 4 I know what I shall do, so that when I am removed from the management people will welcome me into their homes.’

5 And he summoned each one of his master’s debtors, and he began saying to the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’ 6 And he said, ‘A hundred measures of oil.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’ 7 Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ And he said, ‘A hundred measures of wheat.’ He *said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’

8 And his master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly; for the sons of this age are more shrewd in relation to their own kind than the sons of light.9 And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by means of the wealth of unrighteousness, so that when it fails, they will receive you into the eternal dwellings.

10 “He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much.11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the use of unrighteous wealth, who will entrust the true riches to you? 12 And if you have not been faithful in the use of that which is another’s, who will give you that which is your own? 13 No [j]servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.”

14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him. 15 And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.

16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.

18 “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores.

22 Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.

26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’

27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Or we can discuss this one....

 

[garee]

“When Jesus told his parables to the people, his disciples asked, why do you talk to them in riddles? And his answer was: “So they won’t catch on. Because anything they could catch on to would be the wrong thing. As Isaiah said, seeing they don’t see and hearing they don’t hear, neither do they understand [Matthew 13:10-17]. That’s why I talk to them like this: because I don’t want them to have little lights go on in their heads. I want to put out all the lights they’ve got, so that in the darkness they can listen to me.” Robert Farrar Capon

Yes without parables, using the corrupted temporal things seen of this world to give us His spiritual understanding in respect to the things not seen, the eternal (the faith principle Christ) ,the Holy Spirit spoke not.

Although the scripture gives us an infalible historical account .He uses them as historical parables that point to the unseen.

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I think it can be seen by looking to the two different rendering as reasons of the ceremonial law, the fifth commandment that point ahead the our eternal rest .

There are no parables needed for reasoning in regard to the moral laws that He writes on the stony heart of all men.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

 

[Ariel82]

Both parables teach different lessons, combining the two makes it hard to understand the unique lessons Jesus conveys...so which one do you want to start with?

 

[FreeNChrist]

So close and yet so far, have you not read what Paul says about the Jewish understanding? Again I am not going to tell you where to look and give chapter and verse, but Paul even would loose his own salvation for the Jews to come to a knowledge of Jesus. The Jews have suffered because of their rejection of Jesus. All the curses written down within the OT have been poured out on their heads. and the purpose is for Jealousy. Try reading the bible if that's all you have and stop reading other peoples interpretation, or even better go to the author.

I will say this, I am going through this post slowly and methodically, I am astonished, so far and I am only on #17, and the lack of bible knowledge is so prevalent in posts. The OT was all the first church had. The OT is wonderful to read with the leading of the Holy Spirit. All the NT is supported by its words, and every writer of the NT quotes from it.

I do truly believe we are in the last days, It is nearly midnight, the call is here and now, the bridegroom is coming, so trim your wicks, and make ready the oil you have and if you don't have any go and buy it, but be quick when he gets here the door will be shut.

"His ‘parables’ comprise far more than the specific utterances that the Gospel writers refer to by that name, and they occur in a surprising variety of forms . . . for all their charm and simplicity, His story-parables are not one bit less baffling. Once again, they set forth comparisons that tend to make mincemeat of people’s religious expectations. Bad people are rewarded . . . good people are scolded . . . God’s response to prayer is likened to a man getting rid of a nuisance . . . and in general, everybody’s idea of who ought to be first or last is liberally doused with cold water."

...we are saved by Christ alone who raises us from the dead - from the absolution of our death. We come before Him at the judgement with no handwriting whatsoever against us. It's simply cheating to say you believe that and then renege on it by postulating some list of extra-rotten crimes for which Christ has to send you to hell. He, the universal Redeemer, is the only judge; as far as He's concerned, the only mandatory sentence is to life and life abundant." - Robert Farrar Capon

 

[garee]

Both parables teach different lessons, combining the two makes it hard to understand the unique lessons Jesus conveys...so which one do you want to start with?

They are both in respect to the same cerimoinal law(5th commandment) that speak of His eternal rest. The outward Jew (unconverted) that walked by sight after their own flesh did not mix faith the unseen will of God in respect to the word preached. It did not profit them, not being mixed with Christ's work of faith in them as the hearing of His faith giving us ears to hear the Spirit of Christ,the Holy Spirit of God. Both convey the same rest pointing the eternal.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Heb 4:1

 

[Ariel82]

Garee, unless I am mistaken I don't think this thread was created to discuss the Sabbath but bikerchaz can direct the conversation as he wishes.

 

[PeterJens]

The unfaithful servant

I like the form, but I have noticed Jesus seems to emphasis lack of fruit or positive
return on our being in the Kingdom or sin and abuse that result from not following Him.

So for me that is the dividing line.

 

[garee]

Garee, unless I am mistaken I don't think this thread was created to discuss the Sabbath but bikerchaz can direct the conversation as he wishes.

I understand, but the Sabbath a ceremonial law(not a moral law) is used as a parable in respect to the eternal rest we will receive. The rest is only one example how parables are used to give us the spiritual, unseen understanding of God.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Yes without parables, using the corrupted temporal things seen of this world to give us His spiritual understanding in respect to the things not seen, the eternal (the faith principle Christ) ,the Holy Spirit spoke not.

Although the scripture gives us an infalible historical account .He uses them as historical parables that point to the unseen.

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I think it can be seen by looking to the two different rendering as reasons of the ceremonial law, the fifth commandment that point ahead the our eternal rest .

There are no parables needed for reasoning in regard to the moral laws that He writes on the stony heart of all men.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

I don't think the parables are about the Law, I think they're about Jesus.

 

[eph610]

I don't think the parables are about the Law, I think they're about Jesus.

and about the kingdom of God and Kingdom Of Heaven....but yes, mainly about Jesus

 

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[TD]Lost Coin[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 15:8–9[/TD]
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[TD]Prodigal Son[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 15:11–32[/TD]
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[TD]Unjust Steward[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 16:1–13[/TD]
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[TD]Rich man and Lazarus[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 16:19–31[/TD]
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[TD]Master and Servant[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 17:7–10[/TD]
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[TD]Unjust Judge[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 18:1–8[/TD]
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[TD]Pharisees and the Publican[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 18:9–14[/TD]
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[TD]Workers in the Vineyard[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 20:1–16[/TD]
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[TD]Two Sons[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 21:28–32[/TD]
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[TD]Wicked Husbandmen[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 21:33–41[/TD]
[TD]Mark 12:1–9[/TD]
[TD]Luke 20:9–16[/TD]
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[TD]Great Banquet[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 22:1–14[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 14:15–24[/TD]
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[TD]Fig Tree[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 24:32–35[/TD]
[TD]Mark 13:28–31[/TD]
[TD]Luke 21:29–33[/TD]
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[TD]Faithful Servant[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 24:42–51[/TD]
[TD]Mark 13:34–37[/TD]
[TD]Luke 12:35–48[/TD]
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[TD]Ten Virgins[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 25:1–13[/TD]
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[TD]Talents or Minas[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 25:14–30[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 19:12–27[/TD]
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[TD]Sheep and Goats[/TD]
[TD]Matthew 25:31–46[/TD]
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[TD]Wedding Feast[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 14:7–14[/TD]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parables_of_Jesus

 

[Grace777x70]

The fact that the latter man in this parable is called wicked and slothful and an unprofitable servant (Matthew 25:30) who is cast out into outer darkness, certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results are not truly converted.

This man's characterization of the master maligns him as, "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This slothful so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it is obvious that this man had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness.

The fact that this man is called a servant does not mean necessarily that he is saved. Israel (the Jews) are the Lord's witnesses and His servant whom He has chosen, but they were not all saved (Isaiah 43:10) The talents represent monetary value and are distibuted according to ability (vs. 15).

The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (vs. 27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground. The third servant had been given abilities and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance with salvation, but had chosen to reject it.

Great post!

 

[PeterJens]

What is interesting is the number of christians here who were saved early in their
life but now regard their salvation to only really have started very recently.

This suggests though people assent to walking with Christ starts with a simple faith
declaration, and it is free and simple, they deny this in their own lives.

The parables talk about this very thing, people starting the walk and then it all
going very wrong. But the emotional reality is this is a walk into eternity, not
a feast of variable choice depending on your mood. And many live such a
settled life, which then gets shaken up, and they abandon the faith, only to
return to a different version.

It makes me wonder what are they, and who are they following when their theology
does not match their own life story.

 

[bikerchaz]

The fact that the latter man in this parable is called wicked and slothful and an unprofitable servant (Matthew 25:30) who is cast out into outer darkness, certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results are not truly converted.

This man's characterization of the master maligns him as, "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This slothful so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it is obvious that this man had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness.

The fact that this man is called a servant does not mean necessarily that he is saved. Israel (the Jews) are the Lord's witnesses and His servant whom He has chosen, but they were not all saved (Isaiah 43:10) The talents represent monetary value and are distibuted according to ability (vs. 15).

The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (vs. 27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground. The third servant had been given abilities and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance with salvation, but had chosen to reject it.

Hi mailmandan, I cant get to where you are with this. If not a servant then why the title? If we do not know Christ then we are dead in our trespasses and sins, and have no part in Him at all, why or how then are they unfaithful. The third one in your post received from his master but did nothing about it, how can there not be relationship with receiving of something from their master. The title master implies a foreknowledge.

Please read prayerfully for yourself and ask Jesus to make His wisdom known to you. Thank you for your post God bless.